Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
including you. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slythers Bro Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 08:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... medical research is lame. humans are the virus of this planet ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
Actually; If you find the cure, you can make a buck -- ONLY IF YOU CAN PATENT IT! People are not interested in researching diseases that are not profitable... for those patients, treating the symptoms is more profitable. You, the patient, or the family member must become the doctor. Fortunately, I have possibly your answer, and if not, at least a direction to take. Go to www.vitaganza.com and purchase WOBENZYM It is THE BEST NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENT in existence, don't even bother with substitutes. This is an enzyme supplement that has 5 top-tier enzymes that when ingested, they proceed to break down longer protein chains and turn them into enzymes. This ultimately creates a cascading effect of creating over 2000 separate enzymes that then go through your body and fix damage, so back pain, muscle pain, knots in your back, surgery... this helps fix ALL DAMAGE in your body (Damage that is possible to repair). Every cell in your body, every nerve fiber, everything requires enzymes to function. The Cartilage in your body is the largest avascular, aneural and alymphatic tissue in your body. It is kept alive by being bathed in enzymes (anyhow, I digress). Kristian, I have hacked problems like this before, Wobenzym will help both your brother and your friend. It may not be the silver bullet but it will definitely help, no question about that. Gaucher's Disease: Enzyme Replacement Therapy (WOBENZYM) Enzyme replacement therapy for lysosomal storage diseases did not become a reality until the early 1990s when its safety and effectiveness were demonstrated in type 1 Gaucher disease. Today, ERT is a reality for Gaucher disease, Fabry disease and mucopolysaccharidosis type I (MPS I), and clinical trials with recombinant human enzymes are ongoing in Pompe disease. LCH: Wobenzym will help, but what may help even more is Guaifenesin tablets. THIS IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR TRADITIONAL THERAPY, keep going to the doc, and take this stuff. http://www.guaifenesin.com/guaishop.htm If you want to hack the problem, you need to be willing to be the guinea pig, the lab rat. Seek the care of licensed, trained doctors as you normally would, but don't listen to the pooh-poohing they give on natural, nutritional, or over-the-counter remedies. I personally take both Wobenzym and Guaifenesin to overcome some serious ailments that were uncurable by modern medicine, and was forced to medicate the symptoms. I hope this information helps you, and helps other people on the list who see this. -joel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Smith Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:18 PM To: M. Shirk Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... Just like technology research (hacking)... but... if you are the one that finds a cure, you'll make your buck too. M. Shirk wrote: There is more money to be made in the treatment of a disease, then actually finding a cure. Remind you of anything? Shirkdog ' or 1=1-- http://www.shirkdog.us Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:20 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application, service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes). Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you. General Information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus Seven Part Video Series: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease. This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance companies might refuse to accept you due to pre-existing conditions. So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease http://youtube.com
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
On 21 September 2007 18:37, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application, service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular diseases instead? I already have a computer, and the skills needed to use it. I don't have a lab full of testtubes nor the skills needed to use them nor the years of training required before I would consider myself competent to perform experiments on human beings. I haven't met your brother or friend, so their tragedy doesn't motivate me to make the enormous effort to suddenly change my life around in a completely different direction. I don't want to sound callous and inhumane. But I am, so that's how it comes across.[*] cheers, DaveK [*] - deliberate misquote, fact-checkers. -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwitch. :-) I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? A last question, is the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand worth reading? - Jimby P.S. Well, everyone is jumping into FD to discuss their favorite topic, so i thought I might try as well. On 9/22/07, Dave Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 September 2007 18:37, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application, service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular diseases instead? I already have a computer, and the skills needed to use it. I don't have a lab full of testtubes nor the skills needed to use them nor the years of training required before I would consider myself competent to perform experiments on human beings. I haven't met your brother or friend, so their tragedy doesn't motivate me to make the enormous effort to suddenly change my life around in a completely different direction. I don't want to sound callous and inhumane. But I am, so that's how it comes across.[*] cheers, DaveK [*] - deliberate misquote, fact-checkers. -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
On 9/22/07, Jimby Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwitch. :-) I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? A last question, is the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand worth reading? - Jimby P.S. Well, everyone is jumping into FD to discuss their favorite topic, so i thought I might try as well. full-disclosure of your life is permitted according to the FD mailing list guidelines. Now please list your SSN, credit card numbers, last three previous addresses, and the hotel where you will be staying in New York so I can come visit you :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
You didn't answer my question. I don't want to meet you. Let me go and water the plants. I'll come back in 2 hours and see what you guys are doing. - Jimby On 9/23/07, Kristian Erik Hermansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Jimby Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwitch. :-) I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? A last question, is the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand worth reading? - Jimby P.S. Well, everyone is jumping into FD to discuss their favorite topic, so i thought I might try as well. full-disclosure of your life is permitted according to the FD mailing list guidelines. Now please list your SSN, credit card numbers, last three previous addresses, and the hotel where you will be staying in New York so I can come visit you :-) -- Kristian Erik Hermansen ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
From: Kristian Erik Hermansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... You are an idiot. :-O What have you done for the security community lately... yeah now take a seat. Everyone is discussing their favorite topic. So let me discuss mine too. My post had some security content and Ah ok! I'll rephrase my statements. I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwich. :-) XSS is not just about input validation but about output validation too. I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? Watering the plants was fun and so was the GMail point and click demo. But wasn't that lame in such a big security con? I mean WTF is so great about sniffing and hijacking? Now my post has some security content too. yours was entirely useless... Useless is very subjective + relative + bla bla. Like my post was meaningful to me but useless to you. Your post was meaningful to you but useless to me. - Jimby ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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I think I need to get some lunch and eat a bunch of CORNdogs. ;) - L On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 01:40 +0530, Jimby Sharp wrote: From: Kristian Erik Hermansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... You are an idiot. :-O What have you done for the security community lately... yeah now take a seat. Everyone is discussing their favorite topic. So let me discuss mine too. My post had some security content and Ah ok! I'll rephrase my statements. I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwich. :-) XSS is not just about input validation but about output validation too. I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? Watering the plants was fun and so was the GMail point and click demo. But wasn't that lame in such a big security con? I mean WTF is so great about sniffing and hijacking? Now my post has some security content too. yours was entirely useless... Useless is very subjective + relative + bla bla. Like my post was meaningful to me but useless to you. Your post was meaningful to you but useless to me. - Jimby ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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If you guys could kiss and make-up now, that would be great. Fabrizio On 9/22/07, Leif Ericksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need to get some lunch and eat a bunch of CORNdogs. ;) - L On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 01:40 +0530, Jimby Sharp wrote: From: Kristian Erik Hermansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... You are an idiot. :-O What have you done for the security community lately... yeah now take a seat. Everyone is discussing their favorite topic. So let me discuss mine too. My post had some security content and Ah ok! I'll rephrase my statements. I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwich. :-) XSS is not just about input validation but about output validation too. I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? Watering the plants was fun and so was the GMail point and click demo. But wasn't that lame in such a big security con? I mean WTF is so great about sniffing and hijacking? Now my post has some security content too. yours was entirely useless... Useless is very subjective + relative + bla bla. Like my post was meaningful to me but useless to you. Your post was meaningful to you but useless to me. - Jimby ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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What did I do I just said I was gonna eat CORNdogs. OH well.. XXOOXX ;) -- L On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 16:34 -0400, Fabrizio wrote: If you guys could kiss and make-up now, that would be great. Fabrizio On 9/22/07, Leif Ericksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need to get some lunch and eat a bunch of CORNdogs. ;) - L On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 01:40 +0530, Jimby Sharp wrote: From: Kristian Erik Hermansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... You are an idiot. :-O What have you done for the security community lately... yeah now take a seat. Everyone is discussing their favorite topic. So let me discuss mine too. My post had some security content and Ah ok! I'll rephrase my statements. I had a wonderful breakfast, two eggs and sandwich. :-) XSS is not just about input validation but about output validation too. I am flying to New York today. Can anyone tell me any good mall or store where I can buy a good sleeping bag? Watering the plants was fun and so was the GMail point and click demo. But wasn't that lame in such a big security con? I mean WTF is so great about sniffing and hijacking? Now my post has some security content too. yours was entirely useless... Useless is very subjective + relative + bla bla. Like my post was meaningful to me but useless to you. Your post was meaningful to you but useless to me. - Jimby ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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There is more money to be made in the treatment of a disease, then actually finding a cure. Remind you of anything? Shirkdog ' or 1=1-- http://www.shirkdog.us Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:20 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application, service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes). Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you… General Information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus Seven Part Video Series: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease. This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance companies might refuse to accept you due to pre-existing conditions. So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nX6QM5iVaU If we consider ourselves decent hackers, why don't we put our efforts toward helping cure this and other diseases rather than some very simple programming vulnerability? Is it because then we would have to reinvent a whole new slew of tools and re-orient/re-educate ourselves to be successful? Think about it… -- Kristian Erik Hermansen ___ Dailydave mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.immunitysec.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave _ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
Just like technology research (hacking)... but... if you are the one that finds a cure, you'll make your buck too. M. Shirk wrote: There is more money to be made in the treatment of a disease, then actually finding a cure. Remind you of anything? Shirkdog ' or 1=1-- http://www.shirkdog.us Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:20 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research... Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application, service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes). Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you… General Information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus Seven Part Video Series: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease. This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance companies might refuse to accept you due to pre-existing conditions. So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nX6QM5iVaU If we consider ourselves decent hackers, why don't we put our efforts toward helping cure this and other diseases rather than some very simple programming vulnerability? Is it because then we would have to reinvent a whole new slew of tools and re-orient/re-educate ourselves to be successful? Think about it… -- Kristian Erik Hermansen ___ Dailydave mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.immunitysec.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- - simon -- http://www.snosoft.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
I notice that you didn't mention any rare disease that none of your friends or relatives have. Why is it that all of these altruistic people seem to never give a crap until it happens to them? Did Michael J Fox give one thin dime to Parkinsons until he had it? How about Christopher Reeves and spinal injury/stem cell? I'd much rather make my money, and donate to non-profit orgs that do things that I am interested in. --Curt On 9/21/07, Kristian Erik Hermansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application, service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes). Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you… General Information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus Seven Part Video Series: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease. This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance companies might refuse to accept you due to pre-existing conditions. So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nX6QM5iVaU If we consider ourselves decent hackers, why don't we put our efforts toward helping cure this and other diseases rather than some very simple programming vulnerability? Is it because then we would have to reinvent a whole new slew of tools and re-orient/re-educate ourselves to be successful? Think about it… -- Kristian Erik Hermansen ___ Dailydave mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.immunitysec.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On 9/21/07, Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice that you didn't mention any rare disease that none of your friends or relatives have. Why is it that all of these altruistic people seem to never give a crap until it happens to them? Did Michael J Fox give one thin dime to Parkinsons until he had it? How about Christopher Reeves and spinal injury/stem cell? I'd much rather make my money, and donate to non-profit orgs that do things that I am interested in. You make some great points -- but I think you jumped the gun on assuming I am evil. Friends and people who know me understand that I am active in many circles, offering help to those in need. I highly encourage you to do the same so that we can live in a world where people are friendlier and healthier. The world is what we make of it, and I always disliked the hostility in the security and free software communities. Everyone should be nicer to each other and not bash people when they ask simple questions, even if they haven't read the manual... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
