Re: [Full-disclosure] Anti-Virus vendors prove less-effective

2007-04-25 Thread David Kierznowski
James, this is the problem with AV in general and not specific to this problem.

detecting the problem  defense in depth mitigates zero-day, however,
when very basic code gets past AV this is definitely an area that
needs work.

24/04/07, James Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How can these people put out a good product against scripts where you can
 change anything and it will still work!

 On 4/24/07, David Kierznowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Web Backdoor Compilation along with  Dancho Danchev AV research has proven
  how less-effective many of these products are when detecting web malware.
 
  The results are certainly not a shocker but definately an eye opener. WBC
  has certainly demonstrated what all security researchers already know,
 this
  area needs work!
 
  See: http://michaeldaw.org/news/news-042407/
 
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[Full-disclosure] Anti-Virus vendors prove less-effective

2007-04-24 Thread David Kierznowski

Web Backdoor Compilation along with  Dancho Danchev AV research has proven
how less-effective many of these products are when detecting web malware.

The results are certainly not a shocker but definately an eye opener. WBC
has certainly demonstrated what all security researchers already know, this
area needs work!

See: http://michaeldaw.org/news/news-042407/
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Anti-Virus vendors prove less-effective

2007-04-24 Thread James Matthews

How can these people put out a good product against scripts where you can
change anything and it will still work!

On 4/24/07, David Kierznowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Web Backdoor Compilation along with  Dancho Danchev AV research has proven
how less-effective many of these products are when detecting web malware.

The results are certainly not a shocker but definately an eye opener. WBC
has certainly demonstrated what all security researchers already know, this
area needs work!

See: http://michaeldaw.org/news/news-042407/

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Anti-Virus vendors prove less-effective

2007-04-24 Thread Nick FitzGerald
James Matthews wrote:

 How can these people put out a good product against scripts where you can
 change anything and it will still work!

Haven't you heard?

The AV industry cracked the Halting Problem so we should expect them to 
do this!



Regards,

Nick FitzGerald

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