Re: [Full-disclosure] BIOS Flash erases all prior passwords on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi

2006-12-05 Thread endrazine
endrazine a écrit :
Just so you know : most Bios settings are stored on the Cmos,
so if you can flash the Rom, you have ioperms at the very least on Cmos 
i/o ports,
so you can reset the whole Cmos anyway.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] BIOS Flash erases all prior passwords on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi

2006-12-05 Thread endrazine
Tyop? a écrit :
> Flashing the bios will erase all data.
> It's a feature, not a bug.
>
>   
Bios passwords are stored on the CMOS, not the Rom itself, so no, it 
doesn't have to be.
On the other side, if you can flash your ROM, you have iopl(3) hence 
root privileges or
at least enougth privileges to get those passwors back (1). So that's 
really no bid deal.

Regards,

endrazine-


(1) 
http://packetstorm.linuxsecurity.com/papers/password/Bios.Information.Leakage.txt


side note: I think you both know nothing. Sadly, giving non technical 
_opinions_ has become
the main source of postings on this list.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] BIOS Flash erases all prior passwords on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi

2006-12-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:37:36 +0100, Tyop? said:
> On 12/5/06, richard cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Flashing the bios on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi will erase all passwords
> > previously set.  This is obviously a bug!  All passwords should not be
> > wiped out with a bios flash (or at least they weren't on a Dell).  Or,
> > if they are, it should be stated up front so the passwords can be set
> > again once the bios is "updated'".
> 
> Flashing the bios will erase all data.

So the big question becomes - on an Acer, are the passwords stored in the
BIOS flash memory (in which case, having them evaporate on a BIOS flas is
reasonable), or are they on the NVRAM chip, in which case it's a bug/misfeature?


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Re: [Full-disclosure] BIOS Flash erases all prior passwords on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi

2006-12-05 Thread Tyop?
On 12/5/06, richard cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Flashing the bios on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi will erase all passwords
> previously set.  This is obviously a bug!  All passwords should not be
> wiped out with a bios flash (or at least they weren't on a Dell).  Or,
> if they are, it should be stated up front so the passwords can be set
> again once the bios is "updated'".

Flashing the bios will erase all data.
It's a feature, not a bug.

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Tyop?

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[Full-disclosure] BIOS Flash erases all prior passwords on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi

2006-12-05 Thread richard cassidy
Flashing the bios on Acer Aspire 5102WLMi will erase all passwords
previously set.  This is obviously a bug!  All passwords should not be
wiped out with a bios flash (or at least they weren't on a Dell).  Or,
if they are, it should be stated up front so the passwords can be set
again once the bios is "updated'".

https://www.synapsenow.com/synapse/data/7117/documents/AS31-51-5110_Flash_v200.zip

If you forget the bios password, they require the computer to be
mailed to them; then they charge $100USD (citing labor & security).
The work around they don't tell you about is to download the bios
flasher and update your bios.

I tried contacting Acer about this bug and could not reach (was not
transfered) the proper people; I've had teeth pulled that went better
than trying to inform Acer.

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