[Full-disclosure] Disrespecting the respectable Dude VanWinkle / Justin Plazzo, illegal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FYI, Lible: An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because libel is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. Libel is a form of defamation , as is slander (an untruthful statement that is spoken, but not published in writing or broadcast through the media). I'll bet that JP's family can file a lawsuit against the socially dysfunctional idiots that are tarnishing JP's name. Especially since JP is deceased. As a result they should be able to subpoena the ISP's and providers and track these emails back to the places of employment from which they are being sent. (Or their parents houses.) I think that JP's family should very seriously consider this option. I know of a few very good law firms that will work on a percentage with a small deposit. - -- - - simon - -- http://www.snosoft.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHsfpWf3Elv1PhzXgRAsRsAJ9grPyfX5iQtilz+gvfX90JfHGrxQCggxZH RflRkw6axEvHSOuEs21ZbpU= =E9mS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Disrespecting the respectable Dude VanWinkle / Justin Plazzo, illegal?
You need to check your spelling. Libel != Lible Death -- Yes, legally, it is no problem to speak ill of the dead. For example, in James Bamford's The Puzzle Palace, a book about the National Security Agency, a former government employee is called a Russian spy even though he was never convicted of anything other than contempt of court. The family considered a defamation lawsuit, but learned that it was impossible because the subject was dead. In some cases, a libel suit filed by a person who dies may be continued, but relatives of a dead person cannot bring a libel suit. http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/class/law/1.5libel.html -- J. Oquendo SGFA #579 (FW+VPN v4.1) SGFE #574 (FW+VPN v4.1) wget -qO - www.infiltrated.net/sig|perl http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF684C42E smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Disrespecting the respectable Dude VanWinkle / Justin Plazzo, illegal?
Simon Smith wrote: Ok, Big deal I typed it wrong once. More significantly, your interpretation of what I wrote is inaccurate. Why are you supporting the trolls? Did you see any support of any trolls? I stay out of trolling. Besides death is death, its a sad loss but life moves on. People come, people go, had I known him I'd make a comment to no one on a public forum since it wouldn't be the right medium. Maybe flowers or a condolence card to his family would have been my route. I have little time for trolling especially to spit on someone who's not around to defend himself. I've no opinion of JP other then he seemed to be a knowledgeable person unlike many a poster here. I don't play the suck up game either "he will be greatly missed". I'm sure his family and friends will miss him and I hope they cherish his memory lest they become robots, as for me, I didn't know him to make a comment. My comment was towards you and your incorrect ASSumption of law. -- J. Oquendo SGFA #579 (FW+VPN v4.1) SGFE #574 (FW+VPN v4.1) wget -qO - www.infiltrated.net/sig|perl http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xF684C42E smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Disrespecting the respectable Dude VanWinkle / Justin Plazzo, illegal?
Again, It wasn't an assumption, it was a suggestion. J. Oquendo wrote: > Simon Smith wrote: >> Ok, >> >> Big deal I typed it wrong once. More significantly, your interpretation >> of what I wrote is inaccurate. Why are you supporting the trolls? > > Did you see any support of any trolls? I stay out of trolling. Besides > death is death, its a sad loss but life moves on. People come, people > go, had I known him I'd make a comment to no one on a public forum since > it wouldn't be the right medium. Maybe flowers or a condolence card to > his family would have been my route. I have little time for trolling > especially to spit on someone who's not around to defend himself. I've > no opinion of JP other then he seemed to be a knowledgeable person > unlike many a poster here. I don't play the suck up game either "he will > be greatly missed". I'm sure his family and friends will miss him and I > hope they cherish his memory lest they become robots, as for me, I > didn't know him to make a comment. My comment was towards you and your > incorrect ASSumption of law. > > -- - simon -- http://www.snosoft.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Disrespecting the respectable Dude VanWinkle / Justin Plazzo, illegal?
Ok, Big deal I typed it wrong once. More significantly, your interpretation of what I wrote is inaccurate. Why are you supporting the trolls? RB wrote: > At least spell 'Libel' correctly for anyone to take you seriously. > You should know vain threats won't help the matter, and will frankly > only encourage the trolls to continue. Yes, they are egregiously > immature and offend you in the wake of DvW's death, but that doesn't > make them any different than the trolls they were two weeks ago. > > Let it go, man - it's a fight you can't win unless you have deeper > pockets and more political power than all of corporate Amerika > combined. -- - simon -- http://www.snosoft.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Disrespecting the respectable Dude VanWinkle / Justin Plazzo, illegal?
--On Tuesday, February 12, 2008 14:58:15 -0500 Simon Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll bet that JP's family can file a lawsuit against the socially > dysfunctional idiots that are tarnishing JP's name. Especially since JP > is deceased. As a result they should be able to subpoena the ISP's and > providers and track these emails back to the places of employment from > which they are being sent. (Or their parents houses.) > Except they don't have parents -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
