Re: [Full-disclosure] Fallacies on Truths in Caller ID scam
Ajay Pal Singh Atwal wrote: Getting back to some very small points here... Correction: Rawalpindi is not in India. Ralwapindi was used cause it's the only place that came to my mind at the moment, Pakistan, India it was an example. If the call is from Dell, then does it matter, if the office is in India or Rawalpindi. 1800GO2DELL represents dell. Yes it does matter to me where someone is located when I am speaking to them. It matters for the sake of accountability. YOU may not see nothing wrong with someone having your information at their fingertips, but I want to know who, what, where, when and why someone is doing ANYTHING with my information. Or haven't you been following news: Indian Outsourcing Firms Downplay Fraud Concerns http://www.crmbuyer.com/story/PZCY8ZqRWY32gK/Indian-Outsourcing-Firms-Downplay-Fraud-Concerns.xhtml Fraud Reports Worry Indian Outsourcing Firms http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/8zIZdp07IuYkrW/Fraud-Reports-Worry-Indian-Outsourcing-Firms.xhtml etc http://tinyurl.com/g4mg5 I don't care if its India, China, Pakistan, the North or South Pole, Dell in this example should follow US laws especially since they're located here. It can't be a single sided law it has to apply to all bottom line. And in that case www.talkety.com is doing something similar from Germany (?). And you can misuse their service to have fun making prank calls to people from their own numbers. I don't care about Germany there fellow, this post was regarding US LAWS and I happened to mention a US COMPANY not a Germany one. Ich scheiß' d'rauf! (No really) Just something for though... ahem.. Next argument? -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fallacies on Truths in Caller ID scam
Getting back to some very small points here... - J. Oquendo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So with let's say a vendor getting back to me on a problem I have, let > the company be Dell for this example. Dell has their outsourced vendor > from Ralwapindi India or somewhere in the vicinity call me, my caller > ID shows 1800GO2DELL, in this scenario either way you want to cut it, > Dell is circumventing the "Truth in Caller ID Act". Correction: Rawalpindi is not in India. If the call is from Dell, then does it matter, if the office is in India or Rawalpindi. 1800GO2DELL represents dell. Please read before you speak: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.05126: And in that case www.talkety.com is doing something similar from Germany (?). And you can misuse their service to have fun making prank calls to people from their own numbers. > Just something for though... ahem.. -- Sincerely Ajay Pal Singh Atwal ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fallacies on Truths in Caller ID scam
Getting back to some points here... So with let's say a vendor getting back to me on a problem I have, let the company be Dell for this example. Dell has their outsourced vendor from Ralwapindi India or somewhere in the vicinity call me, my caller ID shows 1800GO2DELL, in this scenario either way you want to cut it, Dell is circumventing the "Truth in Caller ID Act". As for telco's doing what they do greasing pockets, this has gone down since the evolution of business, money talks BS walks bottom line. Vladis to further iterate on your fallacious point: > The prosecutor can charge *each and every person involved* who is both" > > a) within the US and > b) took an identifiable action which lead to the event. Let's create SpoofmyCallerIDforKicks.com and make a call (abbreviate the site to SCK.com for this example): Spoofer(2125551212) --> SCK.com --> CallReceiver (4085551212) SCK.com (posts call via Asterisk) --> routes through Russia to Level3 --> through Verizon --> through BellSouth --> Victim SCK is in the Moldovia absolved from US laws. Should BellSouth bear the burden of the illegal action? This is what your statement is telling me. BellSouth, Verizon and Level3 are all to blame and since they cannot prosecute SCK being they're outside of US laws, you're inferring the US government can/will/should/have_the_option_to go after those responsible. Either way you want to cut this, Verizon, BellSouth and Level3 are as much to blame for not taking the proper checks. Just something for though... -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 sil infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How a man plays the game shows something of his character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
