Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Lubomir Kundrak]

On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 15:56 -0500, United Hackers wrote:
> =
> Search for products and services at: 
> http://search.mail.com

I searched, but found nothing particularly interesting. Did you mean
anything specific?

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:49:24 -0300
"Carlos Barros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh my fucking GOD! Are you still replying to this thread???

Yes, in order to spread truth and wisdom to US citizens who still don't
even now where Iraq (or Vietnam, or Korea, or or or) is geographically.

> I really can't belive that such a stupid thread get this amount of
> messages. If you don't have anything to do, go get some bitches out
> there and have some fun, and close this stupid thread!

Let's close this thread as the US is going to solve itself as a problem
to the world soon enough. You're right.

This amount of dumbness is something the universe will know to heal :)
 
> On 4/7/07, Peter Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > It can be argued that the German's siege of Leningrad, which
> > > lasted almost
> > 900
> > > days but they never managed to take the city, was the first
> > > indication
> > that the
> > > Germans had run into trouble...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Operation Barbarossa triggered the downfall of the Nazi's.
> >
> > "We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure
> > will come crashing down" — Adolf Hitler

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:22:34 -0400
Paul Hem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 4/6/07 12:16 PM, "Timo Schoeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:11:38 +0100
> > "James Rankin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> I seem to remember Britain being in WWII almost from the start,
> >> well before the Russians got dragged in by Adolf
> >> 
> >> Still I was only young at the time, I could be mistaken
> > 
> > the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
> > while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
> > America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
> > directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.
> > 
> > it's all in history books...
> 
> 
> Timo, you're full of shit.

sez an american. oh, well...

> > > The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June
> > > 6th,
> > > 1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> > > thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> > > the war.
> 
> Here's what wikipedia has on this.

as someone's mentioned before, 'the winner makes the history'. remember
1984.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
> 
> " Operation Torch (initially called Operation Gymnast) was the
> British-American invasion of French North Africa in World War II
> during the North African Campaign, started November 8, 1942."
> 
> "The Soviet Union had pressed the United States and Britain to start
> operations in Europe,

yes, and here you see that the US was fucking uninterested in saving
millions of people's (jews) lifes.

thanks for that point!

> and open a second front to reduce the pressure
> of German forces on the Russian troops. While the American commanders
> favored Operation Sledgehammer, landing in Occupied Europe as soon as
> possible, the British commanders believed that such a course would
> end in disaster. An attack on French North Africa was proposed
> instead, which would clear the Axis from North Africa, improve naval
> control of the Mediterranean and prepare an invasion of Southern
> Europe in 1943. American President Roosevelt suspected the African
> operation would rule out an invasion of Europe in 1943 but agreed to
> support Churchill."
> 
> The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern
> Front went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

:)

> For you to hint that the battle of Europe was "already won" by the
> Russians is bullshit!

no, it is not. look at the facts.

> Back to my point.
> 
> The U.S. Wanted nothing to do with any European wars - we were
> dragged into them.

while you were accepting millions of peoples death (see above) and AT
THE SAME TIME doing business (!) with Nazi Germany!

> Now, we're hearing a lot of crap from people like
> Timo, who know nothing about history, trying to tell us we aren't
> handleing things the way you would like.

it's always nice to see US suckers freak out because they did not win
any war yet.

> Tough shit! You sprung us out of our borders because of your
> inability to handle your own problems, and 60 years later you hand us
> a load of shit while at the same time you can't defend your own sea
> lanes of trade from Iran, et al. Grow up!

defend what from Iran? is it a threat? NO!

US makes it a thread as it raises the need to be prepared for US
invasion. it's the same in South America, btw.

i'm so satisfied that this bubble (the US) is going to burst really
soon.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:25:41 + (GMT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Timo, one has to wonder if your utter ignorance is intential as a
> troll, or a sign of an idiot?  I'm leaning towards the latter.

Sez the man with 'trash' in his name. umkay.

> Please read up on exactly who signed a non-agression pact with
> germany (hint, it wasn't the US or GB),

Ah, you didn't even understand that this was a fake.

So, history lessons in the US (sponsored by Coca Cola, Halliburton,
Northop-Grumman etc.) are already that bad? :)

> and perhaps some light
> reading on the north african and italian campains (hint: "Rommel"
> seems like a pretty german surname to me).

Yes, it is. And by the way he is still a hero to german governments.
THAT is really a sign of the times...

> Well, since it's now well
> past "dawn on April 6", one has to ask... how'd the iranian assult
> go?

Did the US drop bunker breaker nukes? No. Why not?

> On Behalf  Of Timo Schoeler:
> 
> >the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
> >while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
> >America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
> >directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.
> 
> >that's not true.
> >when western countries
> >(GB, USA) joined in WWII,
> >the battle was already
> >won by the russian red army.
> 
> >The US was 'fighting' japan from 1941, thusly 'officially' in war
> >with Germany, too. At this time, US soldiers did NOT fight germans,
> >and they did not fight the Holocaust; they fought a proxy war.
> >
> >The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
> >1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> >thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> >the war. (There was never a 'winner' in wars, btw.)

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Carlos Barros]

Oh my fucking GOD! Are you still replying to this thread???
I really can't belive that such a stupid thread get this amount of
messages. If you don't have anything to do, go get some bitches out there and
have some fun, and close this stupid thread!


On 4/7/07, Peter Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It can be argued that the German's siege of Leningrad, which lasted almost
> 900
> > days but they never managed to take the city, was the first indication
> that the
> > Germans had run into trouble...
> >
> >
>
> Operation Barbarossa triggered the downfall of the Nazi's.
>
> "We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come
> crashing down" — Adolf Hitler
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Peter Dawson]

On 4/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



It can be argued that the German's siege of Leningrad, which lasted almost
900
days but they never managed to take the city, was the first indication
that the
Germans had run into trouble...



Operation Barbarossa triggered the downfall of the Nazi's.

"*We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come
crashing down" *— Adolf Hitler
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?, Battle of Kursk

[Security Admin (NetSec)]

> The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern
> Front went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

I always thought that Battle of Kursk was the turning point.  One month, 2000+ 
tanks lost, 1M-2M men lost.  Even though most of the losses were Russian, they 
could replace men and tanks much more quickly than the Germans, whose 
manufacturing at this point (July 1943) was being hammered by Allied air 
bombing...

Edward Ray


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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?, Battle of Kursk

[Security Admin (NetSec)]

> The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern
> Front went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

I always thought that Battle of Kursk was the turning point.  One month, 2000+ 
tanks lost, 1M-2M men lost.  Even though most of the losses were Russian, they 
could replace men and tanks much more quickly than the Germans, whose 
manufacturing at this point (July 1943) was being hammered by Allied air 
bombing...

Edward Ray


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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:22:34 EDT, Paul Hem said:
> On 4/6/07 12:16 PM, "Timo Schoeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
> > > 1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> > > thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> > > the war.

> The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern Front
> went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

It can be argued that the German's siege of Leningrad, which lasted almost 900
days but they never managed to take the city, was the first indication that the
Germans had run into trouble...

> For you to hint that the battle of Europe was "already won" by the Russians
> is bullshit!

Unfortunately, Timo *is* at least partially correct - by the time the US
forces landed at Normandy, the Soviet armies had already pushed back the
German armies a considerable way, and the Germans were already in severe
trouble.

Of course, that begs the question of whether the Germans would have had less
trouble near Leningrad and Stalingrad if they hadn't had to commit Rommel's
forces in North Africa. Germany just didn't have the resources to fight in
North Africa and Russia (which is a logistics nightmare all by itself - you
might have enough divisions to hold a front when it's near Poland, but the
further you go into Russia, the front gets wider and wider)



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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Paul Hem]

On 4/6/07 12:16 PM, "Timo Schoeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:11:38 +0100
> "James Rankin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I seem to remember Britain being in WWII almost from the start, well
>> before the Russians got dragged in by Adolf
>> 
>> Still I was only young at the time, I could be mistaken
> 
> the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
> while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
> America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
> directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.
> 
> it's all in history books...


Timo, you're full of shit.

> > The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
> > 1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> > thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> > the war.

Here's what wikipedia has on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch

" Operation Torch (initially called Operation Gymnast) was the
British-American invasion of French North Africa in World War II during the
North African Campaign, started November 8, 1942."

"The Soviet Union had pressed the United States and Britain to start
operations in Europe, and open a second front to reduce the pressure of
German forces on the Russian troops. While the American commanders favored
Operation Sledgehammer, landing in Occupied Europe as soon as possible, the
British commanders believed that such a course would end in disaster. An
attack on French North Africa was proposed instead, which would clear the
Axis from North Africa, improve naval control of the Mediterranean and
prepare an invasion of Southern Europe in 1943. American President Roosevelt
suspected the African operation would rule out an invasion of Europe in 1943
but agreed to support Churchill."

The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern Front
went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

For you to hint that the battle of Europe was "already won" by the Russians
is bullshit!

Back to my point.

The U.S. Wanted nothing to do with any European wars - we were dragged into
them. Now, we're hearing a lot of crap from people like Timo, who know
nothing about history, trying to tell us we aren't handleing things the way
you would like.

Tough shit! You sprung us out of our borders because of your inability to
handle your own problems, and 60 years later you hand us a load of shit
while at the same time you can't defend your own sea lanes of trade from
Iran, et al. Grow up!



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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Red Leg]

On 4/6/07 12:16 PM, "Timo Schoeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:11:38 +0100
> "James Rankin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I seem to remember Britain being in WWII almost from the start, well
>> before the Russians got dragged in by Adolf
>> 
>> Still I was only young at the time, I could be mistaken
> 
> the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
> while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
> America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
> directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.
> 
> it's all in history books...


Timo, you're full of shit.

> > The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
> > 1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> > thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> > the war.

Here's what wikipedia has on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch

" Operation Torch (initially called Operation Gymnast) was the
British-American invasion of French North Africa in World War II during the
North African Campaign, started November 8, 1942."

"The Soviet Union had pressed the United States and Britain to start
operations in Europe, and open a second front to reduce the pressure of
German forces on the Russian troops. While the American commanders favored
Operation Sledgehammer, landing in Occupied Europe as soon as possible, the
British commanders believed that such a course would end in disaster. An
attack on French North Africa was proposed instead, which would clear the
Axis from North Africa, improve naval control of the Mediterranean and
prepare an invasion of Southern Europe in 1943. American President Roosevelt
suspected the African operation would rule out an invasion of Europe in 1943
but agreed to support Churchill."

The battle of Stalingrad  which was the turning point on the Eastern Front
went from August 21, 1942 through February 2, 1943.

For you to hint that the battle of Europe was "already won" by the Russians
is bullshit!

Back to my point.

The U.S. Wanted nothing to do with any European wars - we were dragged into
them. Now, we're hearing a lot of crap from people like Timo, who know
nothing about history, trying to tell us we aren't handleing things the way
you would like.

Tough shit! You sprung us out of our borders because of your inability to
handle your own problems, and 60 years later you hand us a load of shit
while at the same time you can't defend your own sea lanes of trade from
Iran, et al. Grow up!



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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[jptrash]

Timo, one has to wonder if your utter ignorance is intential as a troll, or a 
sign of an idiot?  I'm leaning towards the latter.  Please read up on exactly 
who signed a non-agression pact with germany (hint, it wasn't the US or GB), 
and perhaps some light reading on the north african and italian campains (hint: 
"Rommel" seems like a pretty german surname to me).
Well, since it's now well past "dawn on April 6", one has to ask... how'd the 
iranian assult go?
On Behalf  Of Timo Schoeler:

>the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
>while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
>America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
>directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.

>that's not true.
>when western countries
>(GB, USA) joined in WWII,
>the battle was already
>won by the russian red army.

>The US was 'fighting' japan from 1941, thusly 'officially' in war
>with Germany, too. At this time, US soldiers did NOT fight germans,
>and they did not fight the Holocaust; they fought a proxy war.
>
>The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
>1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
>thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
>the war. (There was never a 'winner' in wars, btw.)
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:11:38 +0100
"James Rankin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I seem to remember Britain being in WWII almost from the start, well
> before the Russians got dragged in by Adolf
> 
> Still I was only young at the time, I could be mistaken

the trigger was 'the US', which was in context 'the western allies';
while Stalin saw Hitler faking very early, the US (i.e., the Bank of
America -- with one of George W. Bush's grandfathers in the board of
directors) was still cooperating with Nazi Germany.

it's all in history books...

> On 06/04/07, Timo Schoeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > After trying to sort through the quotes and re-quotes; I'm really
> > > not sure who made the following statement:
> > >
> > > QUOTE:
> > > ==
> > > ...that's not true.
> > > when western countries
> > > (GB, USA) joined in WWII,
> > > the battle was already
> > > won by the russian red army.
> > > ==
> > >
> > >
> > > Regardless, that statement is historically inaccurate. Not just a
> > > little inaccurate... COMPLETELY inaccurate.
> >
> > The US was 'fighting' japan from 1941, thusly 'officially' in war
> > with Germany, too. At this time, US soldiers did NOT fight germans,
> > and they did not fight the Holocaust; they fought a proxy war.
> >
> > The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
> > 1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two
> > thirds of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost
> > the war. (There was never a 'winner' in wars, btw.)
> >
> > > Between nonsense like that from people who apparently never
> > > bothered to open a history book
> >
> > Oh yeah, I'm sure I read much more than you did; even ultra-basic
> > mistakes are made here and screamed out into the world, e.g. talking
> > about a 'communist state'. There just is no such thing, per
> > definitionem.
> >
> > > and ridiculous statements like; "One man's
> > > terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
> >
> > It's correct. Imagine a nigger (I use this word out of a reason!)
> > bombing the 'Dorcia' in New York and leaving a letter that while
> > people there are just blatant, decadent assholes tens of thousands
> > of africans die of hunger -- guess what: He'll be a hero.
> >
> > Kill 'em all -- God (George W. Bush, in this context) will sort 'em
> > out.
> >
> > > it is completely obvious
> > > that practically the only people left on this list are dumbasses,
> > > script kiddies and refugees from Dumb-O-Craptic Underground.
> >
> > You're writing this in front of a mirror, eh? :)
> >
> > > Not that anyone except me cares, but it seems to me that the S/N
> > > ratio here has finally reached a fatal level.
> > >
> > > No point in sticking around to watch the body rot.
> >
> > blahblah.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[James Rankin]

I seem to remember Britain being in WWII almost from the start, well before
the Russians got dragged in by Adolf

Still I was only young at the time, I could be mistaken

On 06/04/07, Timo Schoeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> After trying to sort through the quotes and re-quotes; I'm really not
> sure who made the following statement:
>
> QUOTE:
> ==
> ...that's not true.
> when western countries
> (GB, USA) joined in WWII,
> the battle was already
> won by the russian red army.
> ==
>
>
> Regardless, that statement is historically inaccurate. Not just a
> little inaccurate... COMPLETELY inaccurate.

The US was 'fighting' japan from 1941, thusly 'officially' in war with
Germany, too. At this time, US soldiers did NOT fight germans, and they
did not fight the Holocaust; they fought a proxy war.

The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two thirds
of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost the war.
(There was never a 'winner' in wars, btw.)

> Between nonsense like that from people who apparently never bothered
> to open a history book

Oh yeah, I'm sure I read much more than you did; even ultra-basic
mistakes are made here and screamed out into the world, e.g. talking
about a 'communist state'. There just is no such thing, per
definitionem.

> and ridiculous statements like; "One man's
> terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

It's correct. Imagine a nigger (I use this word out of a reason!)
bombing the 'Dorcia' in New York and leaving a letter that while people
there are just blatant, decadent assholes tens of thousands of africans
die of hunger -- guess what: He'll be a hero.

Kill 'em all -- God (George W. Bush, in this context) will sort 'em out.

> it is completely obvious
> that practically the only people left on this list are dumbasses,
> script kiddies and refugees from Dumb-O-Craptic Underground.

You're writing this in front of a mirror, eh? :)

> Not that anyone except me cares, but it seems to me that the S/N
> ratio here has finally reached a fatal level.
>
> No point in sticking around to watch the body rot.

blahblah.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

> >> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity
> >> is capitalism.
> >
> > no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every
> > day (and forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like
> > diabetes, cancer etc. that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i
> > mentioned wars, i mentioned killing the planet... so i don't see
> > that capitalism is NOT a thread, the greatest thread, to humanity.
> >
> Well, no one can help it if you're ignorant.
> 
> Estimates of dead from various totalitarian regimes are over a
> hundred million.  China and Russia alone almost reach that figure.
> The worldwide figure for deaths under communist regimes from 1900 to
> 1987 is estimated at almost 170 million.

err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
etc. wrote).

> Japan - 3 to 10 million
> Cambodia - approximately 4 million
> Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
> Vietnam - 3.8 million
> Poland - 1 million
> Pakistan - 1.5 million
> Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
> North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
> Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
> Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
> Russia - 52 million
> China - 35 million
> 
> If you total all the war dead and every category of violence you can
> think of in every democratic country on earth, you can't even get
> close to those appalling numbers.
> 
> Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with
> another democratic country.

first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
countries starting a wars between them.


on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is the
faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
their, err, democracy there with bombs.

> (That's as in zero.)  The majority of
> wars are begun between two non-democratic countries, and democratic
> countries have the lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence
> of any form of government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)
> 
> The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy,
> there would be no more wars.

YMMD! :D

> > - Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;
> >
> Wow.  I am so impressed.  US is 6.43 and Cuba is 6.22.  Statistically 
> insignificant and, without context, meaningless.

sure, while at the stock markets this would cause several men pumping
sperm into their shorts. 'meaningless'...

> Both are less than 1/10th of the rates in a lot of the garden spots
> of the world that so many liberals admire.
> 
> > - Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in
> > the US is able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)
> >
> Estimates of uninsured in the US (not including illegal immigrants)
> are in the range of 20 million.

estimates of whom? i saw different numbers on the net, and about half
of the people in the US i know (no people from bronx, but database
coders, programmers, account managers etc -- part of them with masters
degree and PhD) cannot pay their health insurance, not to speak of
health insurance for their family.

> That's about 7% of the population.
> Meanwhile, in the paradise of Cuba, they don't have chlorinated
> water, they live in dilapidated and deteriorating housing (except for
> the chosen few, of course), and sanitaton is almost non-existent.

you where there? i was. for more than two months, and i never saw a
typical 'tourist environment', not even from the far. i don't have to
rely on propaganda, and i saw a different Cuba. not the whorehouse the
US had before revolution came.

> Cuba uses a two-tier system for healthcare.  Good stuff for the party 
> members (and for viewing by the gullible) and not-so-good stuff for
> the hoi polloi.  Cuba spends 1.5% of its overal foreign purchases on
> medical imports compared to 5 times that amount for the Dominican
> Republic.

funnily, the US sends bombs out into the world; Cuba sends medicine
doctors.

> The statement that Cuba's healthcare system is first rate reveals a 
> profound ignorance of the actual conditions in Cuba.  But if you
> think it's so wonderful, perhaps you'll move there to take advantage
> of it.

in fact, i did. when my girlfriend had an appendicitis when we where
there there were hospitals in every single village (!) -- very good,
interdisciplinary hospitals. polyclinics, as they're also called.
comparing them to german hospitals was a tragedy, as the so wealthy
Germany looked so poor suddenly.

of course, 'the elite' in Germany has different treatment ;)

> > - Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER
> > of illiterates than the US
> >
> Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically 
> insignificant, but nice try.

NICE TRY?

"This report is the first release of the National Assessment of Adult
Literacy (NAAL) health literacy results. The results are based on
assess

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> No point in sticking around to watch the body rot.

GOODBYE TO ALL MY ONLINE FRIENDS FOREVER

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> After trying to sort through the quotes and re-quotes; I'm really not
> sure who made the following statement:
> 
> QUOTE:
> ==
> ...that's not true. 
> when western countries 
> (GB, USA) joined in WWII, 
> the battle was already 
> won by the russian red army. 
> ==
> 
> 
> Regardless, that statement is historically inaccurate. Not just a
> little inaccurate... COMPLETELY inaccurate.

The US was 'fighting' japan from 1941, thusly 'officially' in war with
Germany, too. At this time, US soldiers did NOT fight germans, and they
did not fight the Holocaust; they fought a proxy war.

The US (amongst others) came to the european continent on June 6th,
1944. At that time, the red army already conquered more than two thirds
of the area of nazi germany. The germans already had lost the war.
(There was never a 'winner' in wars, btw.)

> Between nonsense like that from people who apparently never bothered
> to open a history book

Oh yeah, I'm sure I read much more than you did; even ultra-basic
mistakes are made here and screamed out into the world, e.g. talking
about a 'communist state'. There just is no such thing, per
definitionem.

> and ridiculous statements like; "One man's
> terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

It's correct. Imagine a nigger (I use this word out of a reason!)
bombing the 'Dorcia' in New York and leaving a letter that while people
there are just blatant, decadent assholes tens of thousands of africans
die of hunger -- guess what: He'll be a hero.

Kill 'em all -- God (George W. Bush, in this context) will sort 'em out.

> it is completely obvious
> that practically the only people left on this list are dumbasses,
> script kiddies and refugees from Dumb-O-Craptic Underground.

You're writing this in front of a mirror, eh? :)

> Not that anyone except me cares, but it seems to me that the S/N
> ratio here has finally reached a fatal level.
> 
> No point in sticking around to watch the body rot.

blahblah.

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After trying to sort through the quotes and re-quotes; I'm really not sure
who made the following statement:

QUOTE:
==
...that's not true. 
when western countries 
(GB, USA) joined in WWII, 
the battle was already 
won by the russian red army. 
==


Regardless, that statement is historically inaccurate. Not just a little
inaccurate... COMPLETELY inaccurate.

Between nonsense like that from people who apparently never bothered to
open a history book and ridiculous statements like; "One man's terrorist is
another man's freedom fighter." it is completely obvious that practically
the only people left on this list are dumbasses, script kiddies and
refugees from Dumb-O-Craptic Underground.

Not that anyone except me cares, but it seems to me that the S/N ratio here
has finally reached a fatal level.

No point in sticking around to watch the body rot.


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[Timo Schoeler]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:08:52 +1000
Paul Szabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > - Cuba [is paradise]
> 
> Have you ever been to (lived for an extended period in) Cuba?

in fact, _I_ did, as you could read on my email from yesterday, 9:04pm.

their health care is way way better and _everyone_ can afford it, as it
doesn't cost anything for people there.

admitting, they don't have new iPods every two months -- but who needs
them there? they are not in the situation like the US where 'panem and
circensis' is neccessary to keep the people down.

interestingly, even the german burgouise media said (when Castro was
ill last year) that more than 2/3 of the Cuban people back the
revolution. so, how much is that in reality? go figure.

> [I almost wonder how do you explain the Cuban emigration: about 2
> million have left, with 10 million remaining in Cuba; and those left
> dream about leaving the country.

i did not meet many of them. i recommend watching 'Surplus: Terrorized
Into Being Consumers' [0] where a Cuban girl -- being interviewed in
Cuba -- tells about her year in GB as an exchange student; very
enlightening.

> Really, why don't people emigrate to
> Cuba: I know of some people who have spent months there, as tourists;
> why don't they, you, go to live there permanently?]

in fact, people do.

> [BTW: what has this got to do with security, or full-disclosure?]

defending against antihumanist propaganda has to be done, regardless
where. it's very important to keep fighting against fascism.

> Cheers,
> 
> Paul Szabo   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/ School of Mathematics and
> Statistics   University of SydneyAustralia

[0] -- http://imdb.com/title/tt0368314/

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:05:25 +0200
Martin Hudec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Paul Schmehl wrote:
> > Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with
> > another democratic country.  (That's as in zero.)  The majority of
> > wars are begun between two non-democratic countries, and democratic
> > countries have the lowest incidence of foreign and domestic
> > violence of any form of government.  (And yes, that includes the
> > US.)
> > 
> > The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt
> > democracy, there would be no more wars.
> 
> What a lovely idea.
> 
> Too bad that it crashes directly with the very basics of the human 
> nature - which is the only thing that has not changed for all those 
> thousand years of written history. Despite all the glorious 
> technological advancements we have achieved, we are still the very
> same bloodthirsty and envious creatures as we were in the days when
> the stars were young and too sad that we did not learn nothing in the
> process, still ignorant to everything but us.
> 
> No state system or religion, be it democracy or communism, be it
> islam or christianity, will change that. It simply does not matter.
> 
> nice evening,
> Martin

martin,

you call communism a state system; that's the best prove you don't even
know the very basics of communism, but you hate it nevertheless.

propaganda works, q.e.d.

timo :) [who admits that he read Marx/Engels, Lenin, Trotzki, Mandel,
Hegel and the like]

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[Timo Schoeler]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:47:35 -0400
Red Leg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 4/5/07 5:08 PM, "Paul Szabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

(...)

> While the USS Nimitz Carrier Battle Group is making haste to the
> Arabian Gulf (formerly known as the Persian Gulf), to help secure the
> sea lanes for the oil market (THE WEST PAYS A FAIR PRICE FOR THE
> COMMODITY) without which Europe's economy would be destroyed, I have
> to read this crap.
> 
> Look. The Europeans couldn't WAIT to get The U.S. into WWII. (BBC
> report of Winston Churchill: Defender of Democracy
> By Dr Geoffrey Best: "In foreign affairs, his greatest achievement
> was to engage the sympathy of the United States, without whose
> material help - and, better, military alliance - Britain, he well
> understood, had no chance of winning." Now, 60 years later, you want
> to pat us on the head and send us back home?

that's not true. when western countries (GB, USA) joined in WWII, the
battle was already won by the russian red army.

> What makes you think that the U.S. Would now believe you won't screw
> up again and cause a couple of million U.S. Military casualties when
> you "engage our sympathy" next time? Nope! The U.S. will continue be
> PROACTIVE - and that's whether the Democrats or Republicans are in
> power. And the U.S. does appreciate the wisdom of Tony Blair and John
> Howard to mention only 2 who are well aware of what it takes to keep
> the sea lanes safe for commerce. Also, thanks to the Royal Navy and
> Marines who are still patrolling the Iraq/Iran border sea lane.
> 
> So, if we STAY THE EFF on the security topic, then we will ALL be much
> happier. Oh, yes, the above IS security!

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[Red Leg]

On 4/5/07 5:08 PM, "Paul Szabo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> - Cuba [is paradise]
> 
> Have you ever been to (lived for an extended period in) Cuba?
> 
> [I almost wonder how do you explain the Cuban emigration: about 2 million
> have left, with 10 million remaining in Cuba; and those left dream about
> leaving the country. Really, why don't people emigrate to Cuba: I know of
> some people who have spent months there, as tourists; why don't they, you,
> go to live there permanently?]
> 
> [BTW: what has this got to do with security, or full-disclosure?]
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul Szabo   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/
> School of Mathematics and Statistics   University of SydneyAustralia
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Amen, brother!

While the USS Nimitz Carrier Battle Group is making haste to the Arabian
Gulf (formerly known as the Persian Gulf), to help secure the sea lanes for
the oil market (THE WEST PAYS A FAIR PRICE FOR THE COMMODITY) without which
Europe's economy would be destroyed, I have to read this crap.

Look. The Europeans couldn't WAIT to get The U.S. into WWII. (BBC report of
Winston Churchill: Defender of Democracy
By Dr Geoffrey Best: "In foreign affairs, his greatest achievement was to
engage the sympathy of the United States, without whose material help - and,
better, military alliance - Britain, he well understood, had no chance of
winning." Now, 60 years later, you want to pat us on the head and send us
back home?

What makes you think that the U.S. Would now believe you won't screw up
again and cause a couple of million U.S. Military casualties when you
"engage our sympathy" next time? Nope! The U.S. will continue be PROACTIVE -
and that's whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. And the U.S.
does appreciate the wisdom of Tony Blair and John Howard to mention only 2
who are well aware of what it takes to keep the sea lanes safe for commerce.
Also, thanks to the Royal Navy and Marines who are still patrolling the
Iraq/Iran border sea lane.



So, if we STAY THE EFF on the security topic, then we will ALL be much
happier. Oh, yes, the above IS security!


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[Martin Hudec]

Paul Schmehl wrote:
> Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with another 
> democratic country.  (That's as in zero.)  The majority of wars are 
> begun between two non-democratic countries, and democratic countries 
> have the lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence of any form 
> of government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)
> 
> The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy, 
> there would be no more wars.

What a lovely idea.

Too bad that it crashes directly with the very basics of the human 
nature - which is the only thing that has not changed for all those 
thousand years of written history. Despite all the glorious 
technological advancements we have achieved, we are still the very same 
bloodthirsty and envious creatures as we were in the days when the stars 
were young and too sad that we did not learn nothing in the process, 
still ignorant to everything but us.

No state system or religion, be it democracy or communism, be it islam 
or christianity, will change that. It simply does not matter.

nice evening,
Martin

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[Paul Szabo]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> - Cuba [is paradise]

Have you ever been to (lived for an extended period in) Cuba?

[I almost wonder how do you explain the Cuban emigration: about 2 million
have left, with 10 million remaining in Cuba; and those left dream about
leaving the country. Really, why don't people emigrate to Cuba: I know of
some people who have spent months there, as tourists; why don't they, you,
go to live there permanently?]

[BTW: what has this got to do with security, or full-disclosure?]

Cheers,

Paul Szabo   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/
School of Mathematics and Statistics   University of SydneyAustralia

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هذا هو موضوع هذه الدراسه ، شد و

On 4/5/07, Troy Cregger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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I wondered how long it would take you to chime in on this thread Chris,
I hope you are well.

- -Troy.

rek2 GNU/Linux LO LO LO wrote:
>
>> err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
>> what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
>> etc. wrote).
>>
>>
> 100% I agree.. some people  needs to stop watching TV and get some
books.
>
>
>
>>> Japan - 3 to 10 million
>>> Cambodia - approximately 4 million
>>> Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
>>> Vietnam - 3.8 million
>>> Poland - 1 million
>>> Pakistan - 1.5 million
>>> Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
>>> North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
>>> Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
>>> Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
>>> Russia - 52 million
>>> China - 35 million
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> what about the Death by the Atomic Bomb, the invasion  of Granada,
> Panama, Iraq, .?
> the Guantamo Camp?.. go and go and go..
>> first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
>> countries starting a wars between them.
>>
>>
>> on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is
the
>> faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
>> iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
>> their, err, democracy there with bombs.
>>
>>
>
> I agree... this war it was Illegal and wrong from the start..
>
>
>>
>>
>> Texas. that sez all.
>>
>> do the planet a favor and shoot yourself into the sun. thanks.
>>
>
> he just needs to stop listening to his government propaganda
> may people in the US don't think the way he does..
>
>
> World citizen.
>
>
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I wondered how long it would take you to chime in on this thread Chris,
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- -Troy.

rek2 GNU/Linux LO LO LO wrote:
> 
>> err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
>> what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
>> etc. wrote).
>>
>>   
> 100% I agree.. some people  needs to stop watching TV and get some books.
> 
> 
> 
>>> Japan - 3 to 10 million
>>> Cambodia - approximately 4 million
>>> Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
>>> Vietnam - 3.8 million
>>> Poland - 1 million
>>> Pakistan - 1.5 million
>>> Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
>>> North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
>>> Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
>>> Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
>>> Russia - 52 million
>>> China - 35 million
>>>
>>>
>>> 
> 
> what about the Death by the Atomic Bomb, the invasion  of Granada,
> Panama, Iraq, .?
> the Guantamo Camp?.. go and go and go..
>> first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
>> countries starting a wars between them.
>>
>>
>> on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is the
>> faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
>> iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
>> their, err, democracy there with bombs.
>>
>>  
> 
> I agree... this war it was Illegal and wrong from the start..
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> Texas. that sez all.
>>
>> do the planet a favor and shoot yourself into the sun. thanks.
>>   
> 
> he just needs to stop listening to his government propaganda
> may people in the US don't think the way he does..
> 
> 
> World citizen.
> 
> 
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[rek2 GNU/Linux LO LO LO]

yes don't feed the fascist..

for those the people who don't know better:
http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm




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[rek2 GNU/Linux LO LO LO]

err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
etc. wrote).

  

100% I agree.. some people  needs to stop watching TV and get some books.




Japan - 3 to 10 million
Cambodia - approximately 4 million
Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
Vietnam - 3.8 million
Poland - 1 million
Pakistan - 1.5 million
Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
Russia - 52 million
China - 35 million





what about the Death by the Atomic Bomb, the invasion  of Granada, 
Panama, Iraq, .?

the Guantamo Camp?.. go and go and go..

first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
countries starting a wars between them.


on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is the
faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
their, err, democracy there with bombs.

  



I agree... this war it was Illegal and wrong from the start..





Texas. that sez all.

do the planet a favor and shoot yourself into the sun. thanks.
  


he just needs to stop listening to his government propaganda
may people in the US don't think the way he does..


World citizen.



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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

> >> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity
> >> is capitalism.
> >
> > no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every
> > day (and forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like
> > diabetes, cancer etc. that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i
> > mentioned wars, i mentioned killing the planet... so i don't see
> > that capitalism is NOT a thread, the greatest thread, to humanity.
> >
> Well, no one can help it if you're ignorant.
> 
> Estimates of dead from various totalitarian regimes are over a
> hundred million.  China and Russia alone almost reach that figure.
> The worldwide figure for deaths under communist regimes from 1900 to
> 1987 is estimated at almost 170 million.

err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
etc. wrote).

> Japan - 3 to 10 million
> Cambodia - approximately 4 million
> Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
> Vietnam - 3.8 million
> Poland - 1 million
> Pakistan - 1.5 million
> Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
> North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
> Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
> Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
> Russia - 52 million
> China - 35 million
> 
> If you total all the war dead and every category of violence you can
> think of in every democratic country on earth, you can't even get
> close to those appalling numbers.
> 
> Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with
> another democratic country.

first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
countries starting a wars between them. even worse for you, it started
_within_ the US of A:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA#History

on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is the
faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
their, err, democracy there with bombs.

> (That's as in zero.)  The majority of
> wars are begun between two non-democratic countries, and democratic
> countries have the lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence
> of any form of government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)
> 
> The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy,
> there would be no more wars.

YMMD! :D

> > - Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;
> >
> Wow.  I am so impressed.  US is 6.43 and Cuba is 6.22.  Statistically 
> insignificant and, without context, meaningless.

sure, while at the stock markets this would cause several men pumping
sperm into their shorts. 'meaningless'...

> Both are less than 1/10th of the rates in a lot of the garden spots
> of the world that so many liberals admire.
> 
> > - Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in
> > the US is able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)
> >
> Estimates of uninsured in the US (not including illegal immigrants)
> are in the range of 20 million.

estimates of whom? i saw different numbers on the net, and about half
of the people in the US i know (no people from bronx, but database
coders, programmers, account managers etc -- part of them with masters
degree and PhD) cannot pay their health insurance, not to speak of
health insurance for their family.

> That's about 7% of the population.
> Meanwhile, in the paradise of Cuba, they don't have chlorinated
> water, they live in dilapidated and deteriorating housing (except for
> the chosen few, of course), and sanitaton is almost non-existent.

you where there? i was. for more than two months, and i never saw a
typical 'tourist environment', not even from the far. i don't have to
rely on propaganda, and i saw a different Cuba. not the whorehouse the
US had before revolution came.

> Cuba uses a two-tier system for healthcare.  Good stuff for the party 
> members (and for viewing by the gullible) and not-so-good stuff for
> the hoi polloi.  Cuba spends 1.5% of its overal foreign purchases on
> medical imports compared to 5 times that amount for the Dominican
> Republic.

funnily, the US sends bombs out into the world; Cuba sends medicine
doctors.

> The statement that Cuba's healthcare system is first rate reveals a 
> profound ignorance of the actual conditions in Cuba.  But if you
> think it's so wonderful, perhaps you'll move there to take advantage
> of it.

in fact, i did. when my girlfriend had an appendicitis when we where
there there were hospitals in every single village (!) -- very good,
interdisciplinary hospitals. polyclinics, as they're also called.
comparing them to german hospitals was a tragedy, as the so wealthy
Germany looked so poor suddenly.

of course, 'the elite' in Germany has different treatment ;)

> > - Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER
> > of illiterates than the US
> >
> Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically 
> insignificant, but nice try.

NICE TRY?

"This report is the first release of the Nationa

Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Shyaam]

Responding to these emails will only prove ignorance and impatience. So it
is better to concentrate on what everyone is paid for 

Let us watch how many responses are there for this email, as it will only
show that you are not fit to be in SECURITY COMMUNITY itself...

Shyaam
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

> >> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity
> >> is capitalism.
> >
> > no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every
> > day (and forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like
> > diabetes, cancer etc. that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i
> > mentioned wars, i mentioned killing the planet... so i don't see
> > that capitalism is NOT a thread, the greatest thread, to humanity.
> >
> Well, no one can help it if you're ignorant.
> 
> Estimates of dead from various totalitarian regimes are over a
> hundred million.  China and Russia alone almost reach that figure.
> The worldwide figure for deaths under communist regimes from 1900 to
> 1987 is estimated at almost 170 million.

err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
etc. wrote).

> Japan - 3 to 10 million
> Cambodia - approximately 4 million
> Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
> Vietnam - 3.8 million
> Poland - 1 million
> Pakistan - 1.5 million
> Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
> North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
> Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
> Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
> Russia - 52 million
> China - 35 million
> 
> If you total all the war dead and every category of violence you can
> think of in every democratic country on earth, you can't even get
> close to those appalling numbers.
> 
> Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with
> another democratic country.

first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
countries starting a wars between them.


on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is the
faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
their, err, democracy there with bombs.

> (That's as in zero.)  The majority of
> wars are begun between two non-democratic countries, and democratic
> countries have the lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence
> of any form of government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)
> 
> The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy,
> there would be no more wars.

YMMD! :D

> > - Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;
> >
> Wow.  I am so impressed.  US is 6.43 and Cuba is 6.22.  Statistically 
> insignificant and, without context, meaningless.

sure, while at the stock markets this would cause several men pumping
sperm into their shorts. 'meaningless'...

> Both are less than 1/10th of the rates in a lot of the garden spots
> of the world that so many liberals admire.
> 
> > - Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in
> > the US is able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)
> >
> Estimates of uninsured in the US (not including illegal immigrants)
> are in the range of 20 million.

estimates of whom? i saw different numbers on the net, and about half
of the people in the US i know (no people from bronx, but database
coders, programmers, account managers etc -- part of them with masters
degree and PhD) cannot pay their health insurance, not to speak of
health insurance for their family.

> That's about 7% of the population.
> Meanwhile, in the paradise of Cuba, they don't have chlorinated
> water, they live in dilapidated and deteriorating housing (except for
> the chosen few, of course), and sanitaton is almost non-existent.

you where there? i was. for more than two months, and i never saw a
typical 'tourist environment', not even from the far. i don't have to
rely on propaganda, and i saw a different Cuba. not the whorehouse the
US had before revolution came.

> Cuba uses a two-tier system for healthcare.  Good stuff for the party 
> members (and for viewing by the gullible) and not-so-good stuff for
> the hoi polloi.  Cuba spends 1.5% of its overal foreign purchases on
> medical imports compared to 5 times that amount for the Dominican
> Republic.

funnily, the US sends bombs out into the world; Cuba sends medicine
doctors.

> The statement that Cuba's healthcare system is first rate reveals a 
> profound ignorance of the actual conditions in Cuba.  But if you
> think it's so wonderful, perhaps you'll move there to take advantage
> of it.

in fact, i did. when my girlfriend had an appendicitis when we where
there there were hospitals in every single village (!) -- very good,
interdisciplinary hospitals. polyclinics, as they're also called.
comparing them to german hospitals was a tragedy, as the so wealthy
Germany looked so poor suddenly.

of course, 'the elite' in Germany has different treatment ;)

> > - Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER
> > of illiterates than the US
> >
> Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically 
> insignificant, but nice try.

NICE TRY?

"This report is the first release of the National Assessment of Adult
Literacy (NAAL) health literacy results. The results are based on
assess

Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Timo Schoeler]

> >> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity
> >> is capitalism.
> >
> > no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every
> > day (and forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like
> > diabetes, cancer etc. that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i
> > mentioned wars, i mentioned killing the planet... so i don't see
> > that capitalism is NOT a thread, the greatest thread, to humanity.
> >
> Well, no one can help it if you're ignorant.
> 
> Estimates of dead from various totalitarian regimes are over a
> hundred million.  China and Russia alone almost reach that figure.
> The worldwide figure for deaths under communist regimes from 1900 to
> 1987 is estimated at almost 170 million.

err, look up the definition of communism (no, not what 'the US' says
what communism is, but what Marx & Engels, Lenin, Mandel, Thaelmann
etc. wrote).

> Japan - 3 to 10 million
> Cambodia - approximately 4 million
> Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
> Vietnam - 3.8 million
> Poland - 1 million
> Pakistan - 1.5 million
> Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
> North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
> Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
> Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
> Russia - 52 million
> China - 35 million
> 
> If you total all the war dead and every category of violence you can
> think of in every democratic country on earth, you can't even get
> close to those appalling numbers.
> 
> Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with
> another democratic country.

first of all, this is not true; there were several democratic
countries starting a wars between them.


on the other hand, the recent example of non-democratic countries is the
faschist US invading a dictatorship, iraq. funnily, almost 80% of the
iraq people say it was a better life for them before the US spread
their, err, democracy there with bombs.

> (That's as in zero.)  The majority of
> wars are begun between two non-democratic countries, and democratic
> countries have the lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence
> of any form of government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)
> 
> The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy,
> there would be no more wars.

YMMD! :D

> > - Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;
> >
> Wow.  I am so impressed.  US is 6.43 and Cuba is 6.22.  Statistically 
> insignificant and, without context, meaningless.

sure, while at the stock markets this would cause several men pumping
sperm into their shorts. 'meaningless'...

> Both are less than 1/10th of the rates in a lot of the garden spots
> of the world that so many liberals admire.
> 
> > - Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in
> > the US is able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)
> >
> Estimates of uninsured in the US (not including illegal immigrants)
> are in the range of 20 million.

estimates of whom? i saw different numbers on the net, and about half
of the people in the US i know (no people from bronx, but database
coders, programmers, account managers etc -- part of them with masters
degree and PhD) cannot pay their health insurance, not to speak of
health insurance for their family.

> That's about 7% of the population.
> Meanwhile, in the paradise of Cuba, they don't have chlorinated
> water, they live in dilapidated and deteriorating housing (except for
> the chosen few, of course), and sanitaton is almost non-existent.

you where there? i was. for more than two months, and i never saw a
typical 'tourist environment', not even from the far. i don't have to
rely on propaganda, and i saw a different Cuba. not the whorehouse the
US had before revolution came.

> Cuba uses a two-tier system for healthcare.  Good stuff for the party 
> members (and for viewing by the gullible) and not-so-good stuff for
> the hoi polloi.  Cuba spends 1.5% of its overal foreign purchases on
> medical imports compared to 5 times that amount for the Dominican
> Republic.

funnily, the US sends bombs out into the world; Cuba sends medicine
doctors.

> The statement that Cuba's healthcare system is first rate reveals a 
> profound ignorance of the actual conditions in Cuba.  But if you
> think it's so wonderful, perhaps you'll move there to take advantage
> of it.

in fact, i did. when my girlfriend had an appendicitis when we where
there there were hospitals in every single village (!) -- very good,
interdisciplinary hospitals. polyclinics, as they're also called.
comparing them to german hospitals was a tragedy, as the so wealthy
Germany looked so poor suddenly.

of course, 'the elite' in Germany has different treatment ;)

> > - Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER
> > of illiterates than the US
> >
> Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically 
> insignificant, but nice try.

NICE TRY?

"This report is the first release of the National Assessment of Adult
Literacy (NAAL) health literacy results. The results are based on
assess

Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:36:53 CDT, Paul Schmehl said:

> Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically
> insignificant, but nice try.

It seems to have fallen about 19.9% overnight then:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/03/19/adult.literacy.ap/index.html

Functional illiteracy rate is 36% in Washington DC, 21% nationwide.

And it's *functional* literacy that matters - if they can't read and/or
write well enough to figure out a subway schedule or fill out the job
application at a fast food place, does it really matter if some test claimed
they were "literate"?


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[matthew wollenweber]

Dude you're why I stay away from Texas. Your statics and assertions are
nuts. Many of those deaths are highly related to the US or democracies.
Vietnam for example.

As to no democratic country has waged war on another? The US revolted againt
Britain. Yes, they had a king but parliment had power. The US south vs the
north. The war of 1812. The Falklands War... do I really need to go on?

This whole thread is off topic, the "facts" are nuts on both sides, and
seeing the thread re-appear every five minutes is getting irksome.


On 4/5/07, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


--On Thursday, April 05, 2007 14:45:51 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity is
>> capitalism.
>
> no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every day
(and
> forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like diabetes,
cancer
> etc. that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i mentioned wars, i mentioned
> killing the planet... so i don't see that capitalism is NOT a thread,
the
> greatest thread, to humanity.
>
Well, no one can help it if you're ignorant.

Estimates of dead from various totalitarian regimes are over a hundred
million.  China and Russia alone almost reach that figure.  The worldwide
figure for deaths under communist regimes from 1900 to 1987 is estimated
at
almost 170 million.

Japan - 3 to 10 million
Cambodia - approximately 4 million
Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
Vietnam - 3.8 million
Poland - 1 million
Pakistan - 1.5 million
Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
Russia - 52 million
China - 35 million

If you total all the war dead and every category of violence you can think
of in every democratic country on earth, you can't even get close to those
appalling numbers.

Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with another
democratic country.  (That's as in zero.)  The majority of wars are begun
between two non-democratic countries, and democratic countries have the
lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence of any form of
government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)

The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy,
there
would be no more wars.
>
> - Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;
>
Wow.  I am so impressed.  US is 6.43 and Cuba is 6.22.  Statistically
insignificant and, without context, meaningless.

Both are less than 1/10th of the rates in a lot of the garden spots of the
world that so many liberals admire.

> - Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in the US
> is able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)
>
Estimates of uninsured in the US (not including illegal immigrants) are in
the range of 20 million.  That's about 7% of the population.  Meanwhile,
in
the paradise of Cuba, they don't have chlorinated water, they live in
dilapidated and deteriorating housing (except for the chosen few, of
course), and sanitaton is almost non-existent.

Cuba uses a two-tier system for healthcare.  Good stuff for the party
members (and for viewing by the gullible) and not-so-good stuff for the
hoi
polloi.  Cuba spends 1.5% of its overal foreign purchases on medical
imports compared to 5 times that amount for the Dominican Republic.

The statement that Cuba's healthcare system is first rate reveals a
profound ignorance of the actual conditions in Cuba.  But if you think
it's
so wonderful, perhaps you'll move there to take advantage of it.

> - Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER of
> illiterates than the US
>
Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically
insignificant, but nice try.

> so, what of that gigantic amount of money goes to the people? nothing!
> it's used to buy B-2 bombers and pay Halliburton.
>
Probably what irks you is that we can afford both B-2's *and* wide screen
tvs, tanks *and* BMWs, fighter jets *and* Gulfstreams.

The rest of your tripe isn't even worth responding to.

Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[uberspritzer]

> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity is
> capitalism.

no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every day (and 
forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like diabetes, cancer etc. 
that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i mentioned wars, i mentioned killing the 
planet... so i don't see that capitalism is NOT a thread, the greatest thread, 
to humanity.

facing the fact that even money that accumulated at about 20,000 rich people 
(stolen from 6 billion on the planet) can't save the 20,000 rich people's lifes 
when the planet collapses too soon is something that's even more sarcastic.

maybe you get the point, maybe not; if not, you're probably one of the guys who 
fell out of US 'schools' being almost an illiterate and think Coca Cola 
invented everything (or Bill Gates).

> You do realize that with out capitalism you wouldn't have
> almost
> everything you enjoy in your life today like electricity.

err, what? ever heard of logic?

> The fundamental
> problem with socialism (which I'm guessing you're in favor of)

you're guessing wrong, but i can understand it as i pulled the typical trigger 
to cause typical US-style anticommunism. okay, go, and follow the swarm. the 
germans showed about 70 years ago that this is a very good idea to be not 
guilty for things that happen.

> is no one
> has
> any drive for innovation.

if everyone on the planet is a jackass like you, maybe. but this is not reality 
:)

> Please name something that a private citizen of
> a
> socialist nation has made that is worth while.

i put one single country here to show how US sucks as being one of the 
'richest' countries in the world:

- Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;

- Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in the US is 
able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)

- Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER of 
illiterates than the US

so, what of that gigantic amount of money goes to the people? nothing! it's 
used to buy B-2 bombers and pay Halliburton.

that's "God's own country", freedom, peace, democracy, civilization.

MUHAHAHAHA!

> I hope you also understand that Iran's president is also on a religious
> mission. He honestly believes he can bring back the 12th imam.

Mahmud Ahmadinedschad is not the man in power; furthermore, do you remember how 
the US did influence Iran in the past? and paid Iraq to fight Iran? well, a 
school paid by Coca Cola won't tell you... but it's reality.

when going out into the forests and upsetting a grizzly, well, now and then you 
will be punished :)

> You know
> the
> baby that was dumped in a well? Also the people of Israel are primarily
> Jewish not christian.

wow! never thought of this!

but hey, wait: there's that "God's own country" which gave Israel about 300 
nuclear warheads. and both country's leaders are religious fanatics. cool!

> Your statement is about them trying to spread their
> christian beliefs is flawed.

i never said that.

> It's kinda hard for them to spread christian
> beliefs when they aren't Christians.

logic, it's all about being able to read and draw the right conclusions! logic!

> Saying the US sucks is a very bold statement,

after spreading war all over the world for centuries (TM), no, this isn't a 
bold statement. Team America -- World Police!

> but it's not really
> surprising
> seeing how you're anti-Semitic,

no, in fact i work in a jewish company.

> anti-christian,

no, except for crazy christians like the pope who forbids the use of condoms in 
Africa.

> and anti-capitalist.

well, i do have problems what capitalists cause, e.g. idiots like you, George 
W. Bush, Ronald Reagan et altera. i have problems with capitalists murdering 
the planet for no purpose.

yes, i'm an anticapitalist :)

> Just
> admit what you are. You're a racist bigot,

no, i'm an internationalist and introduce myself not as a member of a certain 
country (like some US citizens, not all -- there are still some brain cells 
active over there).

so save your breath and think about what BS you're telling here.

> but it's okay in the eyes
> of the general public, because Jew's aren't the minority of minute.

logic! it's all about reading, thinking and LOGIC!

> On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "United Hackers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote sometime:
> >
> > (sucking logo)
> >
> > > We, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam to the Freedom of
> > > Thought and Peace are hereby declaring open war against the evils of
> > > Islam. The axis of evil must be stopped and destroyed.
> >
> > then get a rifle and kill bush and his junta. then proceed... thanks in
> > advance.
> >
> > > The United
> > > States of America is planning a demonstration of military force
> > > against the evil nation of Iran.
> >
> > it has been known for weeks now that this is planned for months, as
> > well as the israel invasion of le

Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Paul Schmehl]

--On Thursday, April 05, 2007 14:45:51 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity is
capitalism.


no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every day (and
forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like diabetes, cancer
etc. that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i mentioned wars, i mentioned
killing the planet... so i don't see that capitalism is NOT a thread, the
greatest thread, to humanity.


Well, no one can help it if you're ignorant.

Estimates of dead from various totalitarian regimes are over a hundred 
million.  China and Russia alone almost reach that figure.  The worldwide 
figure for deaths under communist regimes from 1900 to 1987 is estimated at 
almost 170 million.


Japan - 3 to 10 million
Cambodia - approximately 4 million
Turkey - 3.5 to 4.3 million
Vietnam - 3.8 million
Poland - 1 million
Pakistan - 1.5 million
Yugoslavia - 1.7 million
North Korea - 1.6 to 3.5 million
Nazi Germany - 7 to 10 million
Mexico - 1.4 to 3.3 million
Russia - 52 million
China - 35 million

If you total all the war dead and every category of violence you can think 
of in every democratic country on earth, you can't even get close to those 
appalling numbers.


Furthermore, no democratic country has ever started a war with another 
democratic country.  (That's as in zero.)  The majority of wars are begun 
between two non-democratic countries, and democratic countries have the 
lowest incidence of foreign and domestic violence of any form of 
government.  (And yes, that includes the US.)


The fact is that if all countries in the world would adopt democracy, there 
would be no more wars.


- Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;

Wow.  I am so impressed.  US is 6.43 and Cuba is 6.22.  Statistically 
insignificant and, without context, meaningless.


Both are less than 1/10th of the rates in a lot of the garden spots of the 
world that so many liberals admire.



- Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in the US
is able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)

Estimates of uninsured in the US (not including illegal immigrants) are in 
the range of 20 million.  That's about 7% of the population.  Meanwhile, in 
the paradise of Cuba, they don't have chlorinated water, they live in 
dilapidated and deteriorating housing (except for the chosen few, of 
course), and sanitaton is almost non-existent.


Cuba uses a two-tier system for healthcare.  Good stuff for the party 
members (and for viewing by the gullible) and not-so-good stuff for the hoi 
polloi.  Cuba spends 1.5% of its overal foreign purchases on medical 
imports compared to 5 times that amount for the Dominican Republic.


The statement that Cuba's healthcare system is first rate reveals a 
profound ignorance of the actual conditions in Cuba.  But if you think it's 
so wonderful, perhaps you'll move there to take advantage of it.



- Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER of
illiterates than the US

Cuba's literacy rate is 96.9.  The US is 99.9.  Statistically 
insignificant, but nice try.



so, what of that gigantic amount of money goes to the people? nothing!
it's used to buy B-2 bombers and pay Halliburton.

Probably what irks you is that we can afford both B-2's *and* wide screen 
tvs, tanks *and* BMWs, fighter jets *and* Gulfstreams.


The rest of your tripe isn't even worth responding to.

Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


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> Please name something that a private citizen of a socialist nation has made 
> that is worth while. 

Tetris.

evilrabbi wrote:
> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity is
> capitalism. You do realize that with out capitalism you wouldn't have
> almost everything you enjoy in your life today like electricity. The
> fundamental problem with socialism (which I'm guessing you're in favor
> of) is no one has any drive for innovation. Please name something that a
> private citizen of a socialist nation has made that is worth while.
> 
> I hope you also understand that Iran's president is also on a religious
> mission. He honestly believes he can bring back the 12th imam. You know
> the baby that was dumped in a well? Also the people of Israel are
> primarily Jewish not christian. Your statement is about them trying to
> spread their christian beliefs is flawed. It's kinda hard for them to
> spread christian beliefs when they aren't Christians.
> 
> Saying the US sucks is a very bold statement, but it's not really
> surprising seeing how you're anti-Semitic, anti-christian, and
> anti-capitalist. Just admit what you are. You're a racist bigot, but
> it's okay in the eyes
> of the general public, because Jew's aren't the minority of minute.
> 
> On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> "United Hackers" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote sometime:
> 
> (sucking logo)
> 
> > We, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam to the Freedom of
> > Thought and Peace are hereby declaring open war against the evils of
> > Islam. The axis of evil must be stopped and destroyed.
> 
> then get a rifle and kill bush and his junta. then proceed... thanks
> in advance.
> 
> > The United
> > States of America is planning a demonstration of military force
> > against the evil nation of Iran.
> 
> it has been known for weeks now that this is planned for months, as
> well as the israel invasion of lebanon was ([0], [1], etc) with
> their fundamental christians' idiotic belief in 'armageddon'.
> 
> > As of the moment of this
> > announcement, a Cyber War has been declared against Iran. We do this
> > to assit the United States of America in their war against the evils
> > of Islam.
> >
> > The first operation in this war was the secretive Operation Screaming
> > Eagle. This has been an ongoing preparation for battle, mapping out
> > critical Internet infrastructure to the Nation of Iran, as well as
> > determining passwords, access codes and vulnerable attack vectors for
> > gaining access to Iranian systems, including routers and servers.
> 
> you mean that half a dozen T1 lines over there? l33t!
> 
> > Many Iranian machines have backdoors installed, and many routers have
> > been broken into had have had their login security mechanisms
> > comprimised.
> >
> > At dawn of April 06, 2007, the Hackers United against the Threat of
> > Islam shall initiate the largest, multinational, coordinated attack
> > against a nation's infrastructure ever witnessed. Hackers from the
> > United States of America,
> 
> okay, the US is pretty well known for war: native americans, korea,
> vietnam, iraq, iraq, afghanistan, iraq, iran and the many many
> forgotten wars.
> 
> > Great Britain,
> 
> "I'm with stupid" -- a great song!
> 
> > Norway, France, Italy,
> > Brazil,
> 
> brazil never started a war. why should they do now? in contrast to
> the US, they do NOT suck.
> 
> > Germany
> 
> started two world wars, never 'succeeded' the way they intended
> (kudos to the red army :)
> 
> > and Russia will launch attacks against Iran's
> > infrastructure,
> 
> russia? help the US? in 2007? ROTFL!
> 
> > disabling all IP-based communication and facilitating
> > attacks against their terrorist targets.
> 
> blahblahblah
> 
> > Islam must be stopped. And the Hackers United against the Threat of
> > Islam are there to do the job.
> 
> canada must be stopped! [2] this is real evil stuff! nuke canada!
> 
> > Shout outs to everyone united against Islam. We stand together to
> > face this threat to humanity.
> 
> the threat to humanity is capitalism as it makes 100,000+ human beings
> die of hunger every day and spreads wars, poison and evil all over the
> planet. it's like cancer.
> 
> [0] -- http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/28/150/
> 
> [1] -- http://www.911blogger.com/node/5931
> 
> 
> [2] -- http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca
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[uberspritzer]

> You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity is
> capitalism.

no, i'm not joking; i mentioned the 100,000+ deaths caused every day (and 
forgot those deaths caused by civilization diseases like diabetes, cancer etc. 
that is caused by 'your lifestyle'), i mentioned wars, i mentioned killing the 
planet... so i don't see that capitalism is NOT a thread, the greatest thread, 
to humanity.

facing the fact that even money that accumulated at about 20,000 rich people 
(stolen from 6 billion on the planet) can't save the 20,000 rich people's lifes 
when the planet collapses too soon is something that's even more sarcastic.

maybe you get the point, maybe not; if not, you're probably one of the guys who 
fell out of US 'schools' being almost an illiterate and think Coca Cola 
invented everything (or Bill Gates).

> You do realize that with out capitalism you wouldn't have
> almost
> everything you enjoy in your life today like electricity.

err, what? ever heard of logic?

> The fundamental
> problem with socialism (which I'm guessing you're in favor of)

you're guessing wrong, but i can understand it as i pulled the typical trigger 
to cause typical US-style anticommunism. okay, go, and follow the swarm. the 
germans showed about 70 years ago that this is a very good idea to be not 
guilty for things that happen.

> is no one
> has
> any drive for innovation.

if everyone on the planet is a jackass like you, maybe. but this is not reality 
:)

> Please name something that a private citizen of
> a
> socialist nation has made that is worth while.

i put one single country here to show how US sucks as being one of the 
'richest' countries in the world:

- Cuba has a much lower infant mortality than the US;

- Cuba has an overall much better health care than the US (who in the US is 
able to pay for health insurance? not that many people!)

- Cuba has a much better educational system and a MUCH LOWER NUMBER of 
illiterates than the US

so, what of that gigantic amount of money goes to the people? nothing! it's 
used to buy B-2 bombers and pay Halliburton.

that's "God's own country", freedom, peace, democracy, civilization.

MUHAHAHAHA!

> I hope you also understand that Iran's president is also on a religious
> mission. He honestly believes he can bring back the 12th imam.

Mahmud Ahmadinedschad is not the man in power; furthermore, do you remember how 
the US did influence Iran in the past? and paid Iraq to fight Iran? well, a 
school paid by Coca Cola won't tell you... but it's reality.

when going out into the forests and upsetting a grizzly, well, now and then you 
will be punished :)

> You know
> the
> baby that was dumped in a well? Also the people of Israel are primarily
> Jewish not christian.

wow! never thought of this!

but hey, wait: there's that "God's own country" which gave Israel about 300 
nuclear warheads. and both country's leaders are religious fanatics. cool!

> Your statement is about them trying to spread their
> christian beliefs is flawed.

i never said that.

> It's kinda hard for them to spread christian
> beliefs when they aren't Christians.

logic, it's all about being able to read and draw the right conclusions! logic!

> Saying the US sucks is a very bold statement,

after spreading war all over the world for centuries (TM), no, this isn't a 
bold statement. Team America -- World Police!

> but it's not really
> surprising
> seeing how you're anti-Semitic,

no, in fact i work in a jewish company.

> anti-christian,

no, except for crazy christians like the pope who forbids the use of condoms in 
Africa.

> and anti-capitalist.

well, i do have problems what capitalists cause, e.g. idiots like you, George 
W. Bush, Ronald Reagan et altera. i have problems with capitalists murdering 
the planet for no purpose.

yes, i'm an anticapitalist :)

> Just
> admit what you are. You're a racist bigot,

no, i'm an internationalist and introduce myself not as a member of a certain 
country (like some US citizens, not all -- there are still some brain cells 
active over there).

so save your breath and think about what BS you're telling here.

> but it's okay in the eyes
> of the general public, because Jew's aren't the minority of minute.

logic! it's all about reading, thinking and LOGIC!

> On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "United Hackers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote sometime:
> >
> > (sucking logo)
> >
> > > We, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam to the Freedom of
> > > Thought and Peace are hereby declaring open war against the evils of
> > > Islam. The axis of evil must be stopped and destroyed.
> >
> > then get a rifle and kill bush and his junta. then proceed... thanks in
> > advance.
> >
> > > The United
> > > States of America is planning a demonstration of military force
> > > against the evil nation of Iran.
> >
> > it has been known for weeks now that this is planned for months, as
> > well as the israel invasion of le

Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Carlos Carvalho]

Hackers United against the Threat of Islam




Unite against this-> _)_


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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Kian Mohageri]

Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On April 4, 2007 10:40:28 PM -0400 scott
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> First things first:
>> 1:So far as I can see,the US does war games in the region ,and has been
>> for decades.Now that they are actually in a war in that region,for sure
>> there will be many shows of power to try and keep anyone else from
>> wanting to jump in,or endanger there troops.
>> 2:Iran is back to being a viable military threat.So,it goes to reason
>> there will be much posturing by the US military to alleviate the threat
>> imposed by another nation becoming involved in the quagmire
>> there(meaning Iraq) now.
>> 3:It doesn't help matters with the seizure of a UK boat and crew.Behind
>> the scenes,I hope things are being handled appropriately.
>> 4:$:If some foolish group takes it upon themselves to shove a new
>> war,against a new `enemy' in the region at this time,they should be
>> hanged!I believe that is what makes the difference between a General and
>>  your average(no disrespect intended!)soldier!
>>
>> Now if you think this is a good idea,then you must be STUPID!!!
>>
> What I'm wondering is how the Iranians will be able to tell the
> difference.  If you're connected to the Internet, you're being attacked
> 24/7.  How can you tell that this "new" attack is from a red-blooded
> hacker group trying to defeat Iran?  (As opposed to your average
> bot-building phisher hacking into boxes constantly.)

Geez, I don't know, maybe the post to full-disclosure by a bunch of
script kiddies announcing their intentions, coupled with a spike in DDoS
attempts?

Just a guess.

Kian

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[scott]

Meaning that all IP's are constantly being bombarded by spiders and 
random pings from other machines looking for misdirected links,etc.

Regards,
  Scott

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[scott]

Touche!I actually overlooked that fact.

 Regards,
Scott

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[scott]

 >Rich,an American Jew?!!!???

My ancestors would come out of their graves to answer this one!

The real answer lies in the fact of,are you prejudice or not.
That simple point,alone,speaks volumes about how you perceive things 
that happen around you.
There are,basically speaking,two ways to look at things.Your way,or,My way.
That said,I believe that to find common ground on which you both 
agree...ie.That this assault on a countries infrastucture that we are 
not at war with,to be complete idiocy(nor will it ever succeed in its 
original intent,IMHO)for all involved.
This was,and is my point.
Agree or not,
  Regards,
  Scott

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Paul Schmehl]

--On April 4, 2007 10:40:28 PM -0400 scott 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



First things first:
1:So far as I can see,the US does war games in the region ,and has been
for decades.Now that they are actually in a war in that region,for sure
there will be many shows of power to try and keep anyone else from
wanting to jump in,or endanger there troops.
2:Iran is back to being a viable military threat.So,it goes to reason
there will be much posturing by the US military to alleviate the threat
imposed by another nation becoming involved in the quagmire
there(meaning Iraq) now.
3:It doesn't help matters with the seizure of a UK boat and crew.Behind
the scenes,I hope things are being handled appropriately.
4:$:If some foolish group takes it upon themselves to shove a new
war,against a new `enemy' in the region at this time,they should be
hanged!I believe that is what makes the difference between a General and
 your average(no disrespect intended!)soldier!

Now if you think this is a good idea,then you must be STUPID!!!

What I'm wondering is how the Iranians will be able to tell the 
difference.  If you're connected to the Internet, you're being attacked 
24/7.  How can you tell that this "new" attack is from a red-blooded 
hacker group trying to defeat Iran?  (As opposed to your average 
bot-building phisher hacking into boxes constantly.)


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/


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[scott]

Also have you ever considered the fact that,I'm sure a lot(LOL)of 
intelligence people read lists like this,just to stop potential nuts 
like you?!
No Regards needed,(SIR!),
Scott


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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[evilrabbi]

You have to be joking when you say the greatest threat to humanity is
capitalism. You do realize that with out capitalism you wouldn't have almost
everything you enjoy in your life today like electricity. The fundamental
problem with socialism (which I'm guessing you're in favor of) is no one has
any drive for innovation. Please name something that a private citizen of a
socialist nation has made that is worth while.

I hope you also understand that Iran's president is also on a religious
mission. He honestly believes he can bring back the 12th imam. You know the
baby that was dumped in a well? Also the people of Israel are primarily
Jewish not christian. Your statement is about them trying to spread their
christian beliefs is flawed. It's kinda hard for them to spread christian
beliefs when they aren't Christians.

Saying the US sucks is a very bold statement, but it's not really surprising
seeing how you're anti-Semitic, anti-christian, and anti-capitalist. Just
admit what you are. You're a racist bigot, but it's okay in the eyes
of the general public, because Jew's aren't the minority of minute.

On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"United Hackers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote sometime:

(sucking logo)

> We, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam to the Freedom of
> Thought and Peace are hereby declaring open war against the evils of
> Islam. The axis of evil must be stopped and destroyed.

then get a rifle and kill bush and his junta. then proceed... thanks in
advance.

> The United
> States of America is planning a demonstration of military force
> against the evil nation of Iran.

it has been known for weeks now that this is planned for months, as
well as the israel invasion of lebanon was ([0], [1], etc) with their
fundamental christians' idiotic belief in 'armageddon'.

> As of the moment of this
> announcement, a Cyber War has been declared against Iran. We do this
> to assit the United States of America in their war against the evils
> of Islam.
>
> The first operation in this war was the secretive Operation Screaming
> Eagle. This has been an ongoing preparation for battle, mapping out
> critical Internet infrastructure to the Nation of Iran, as well as
> determining passwords, access codes and vulnerable attack vectors for
> gaining access to Iranian systems, including routers and servers.

you mean that half a dozen T1 lines over there? l33t!

> Many Iranian machines have backdoors installed, and many routers have
> been broken into had have had their login security mechanisms
> comprimised.
>
> At dawn of April 06, 2007, the Hackers United against the Threat of
> Islam shall initiate the largest, multinational, coordinated attack
> against a nation's infrastructure ever witnessed. Hackers from the
> United States of America,

okay, the US is pretty well known for war: native americans, korea,
vietnam, iraq, iraq, afghanistan, iraq, iran and the many many
forgotten wars.

> Great Britain,

"I'm with stupid" -- a great song!

> Norway, France, Italy,
> Brazil,

brazil never started a war. why should they do now? in contrast to the US,
they do NOT suck.

> Germany

started two world wars, never 'succeeded' the way they intended (kudos to
the red army :)

> and Russia will launch attacks against Iran's
> infrastructure,

russia? help the US? in 2007? ROTFL!

> disabling all IP-based communication and facilitating
> attacks against their terrorist targets.

blahblahblah

> Islam must be stopped. And the Hackers United against the Threat of
> Islam are there to do the job.

canada must be stopped! [2] this is real evil stuff! nuke canada!

> Shout outs to everyone united against Islam. We stand together to
> face this threat to humanity.

the threat to humanity is capitalism as it makes 100,000+ human beings
die of hunger every day and spreads wars, poison and evil all over the
planet. it's like cancer.

[0] -- http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/28/150/

[1] -- http://www.911blogger.com/node/5931

[2] -- http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[scott]

First things first:
1:So far as I can see,the US does war games in the region ,and has been 
for decades.Now that they are actually in a war in that region,for sure 
there will be many shows of power to try and keep anyone else from 
wanting to jump in,or endanger there troops.
2:Iran is back to being a viable military threat.So,it goes to reason 
there will be much posturing by the US military to alleviate the threat 
imposed by another nation becoming involved in the quagmire 
there(meaning Iraq) now.
3:It doesn't help matters with the seizure of a UK boat and crew.Behind 
the scenes,I hope things are being handled appropriately.
4:$:If some foolish group takes it upon themselves to shove a new 
war,against a new `enemy' in the region at this time,they should be 
hanged!I believe that is what makes the difference between a General and 
 your average(no disrespect intended!)soldier!

Now if you think this is a good idea,then you must be STUPID!!!

I believe I probably speak for alot of Red-Blooded 
Americans,Britains,French,Canadians,Iraqi's,Israelites,AND Iranians!

  Good luck finding a compatriot here,
 Scott

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Fajar Edisya Putera]

this is the funniest email from this mailing list..., good luck then for
you. It's not fun to use religion as permission for starting something bad
for other religion. you must learn the respect other believers.

On 4/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"United Hackers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote sometime:

(sucking logo)

> We, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam to the Freedom of
> Thought and Peace are hereby declaring open war against the evils of
> Islam. The axis of evil must be stopped and destroyed.

then get a rifle and kill bush and his junta. then proceed... thanks in
advance.

> The United
> States of America is planning a demonstration of military force
> against the evil nation of Iran.

it has been known for weeks now that this is planned for months, as
well as the israel invasion of lebanon was ([0], [1], etc) with their
fundamental christians' idiotic belief in 'armageddon'.

> As of the moment of this
> announcement, a Cyber War has been declared against Iran. We do this
> to assit the United States of America in their war against the evils
> of Islam.
>
> The first operation in this war was the secretive Operation Screaming
> Eagle. This has been an ongoing preparation for battle, mapping out
> critical Internet infrastructure to the Nation of Iran, as well as
> determining passwords, access codes and vulnerable attack vectors for
> gaining access to Iranian systems, including routers and servers.

you mean that half a dozen T1 lines over there? l33t!

> Many Iranian machines have backdoors installed, and many routers have
> been broken into had have had their login security mechanisms
> comprimised.
>
> At dawn of April 06, 2007, the Hackers United against the Threat of
> Islam shall initiate the largest, multinational, coordinated attack
> against a nation's infrastructure ever witnessed. Hackers from the
> United States of America,

okay, the US is pretty well known for war: native americans, korea,
vietnam, iraq, iraq, afghanistan, iraq, iran and the many many
forgotten wars.

> Great Britain,

"I'm with stupid" -- a great song!

> Norway, France, Italy,
> Brazil,

brazil never started a war. why should they do now? in contrast to the US,
they do NOT suck.

> Germany

started two world wars, never 'succeeded' the way they intended (kudos to
the red army :)

> and Russia will launch attacks against Iran's
> infrastructure,

russia? help the US? in 2007? ROTFL!

> disabling all IP-based communication and facilitating
> attacks against their terrorist targets.

blahblahblah

> Islam must be stopped. And the Hackers United against the Threat of
> Islam are there to do the job.

canada must be stopped! [2] this is real evil stuff! nuke canada!

> Shout outs to everyone united against Islam. We stand together to
> face this threat to humanity.

the threat to humanity is capitalism as it makes 100,000+ human beings
die of hunger every day and spreads wars, poison and evil all over the
planet. it's like cancer.

[0] -- http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/28/150/

[1] -- http://www.911blogger.com/node/5931

[2] -- http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[Slythers Bro]

maybe you will understand you just are a fachiste crew

nobody will follow you
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[Full-disclosure] Hackers uniting against Iran?

[United Hackers]

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   Hackers United against the Threat of Islam
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 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEANTI-MUSLIM LEAGUE
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April 04, 2007, 2100Z

We, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam to the Freedom of Thought
and Peace are hereby declaring open war against the evils of Islam. The axis
of evil must be stopped and destroyed. The United States of America is planning
a demonstration of military force against the evil nation of Iran. As of the
moment of this announcement, a Cyber War has been declared against Iran. We
do this to assit the United States of America in their war against the evils
of Islam.

The first operation in this war was the secretive Operation Screaming Eagle. 
This has been an ongoing preparation for battle, mapping out critical 
Internet infrastructure to the Nation of Iran, as well as determining
passwords, access codes and vulnerable attack vectors for gaining access to
Iranian systems, including routers and servers. Many Iranian machines have
backdoors installed, and many routers have been broken into had have had their
login security mechanisms comprimised.

At dawn of April 06, 2007, the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam shall
initiate the largest, multinational, coordinated attack against a nation's 
infrastructure ever witnessed. Hackers from the United States of America,
Great Britain, Norway, France, Italy, Brazil, Germany and Russia will launch
attacks against Iran's infrastructure, disabling all IP-based communication
and facilitating attacks against their terrorist targets.

Islam must be stopped. And the Hackers United against the Threat of Islam are
there to do the job.

Shout outs to everyone united against Islam. We stand together to face this
threat to humanity.


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