Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
Interesting thought; This certainly would make something happen if they got interested but of course iyou should have something juicy for them. They will be snarly if seems to them to be grumped out ex-exployee or worse yet a current internecine fight between groups of employees. This is what it seems like right now. Although TV has been known to cover all sorts of rather questionable things. So I'd like a 1000ml-2000ml of soda and popcorn w lotsa butter and salt. Have Fun, Sends Steve Exibar wrote: nevermind with the police you want ot talk to Dateline, or 20/20. Dateline is really big on the whole "evil internet" thing right now so they are ripe for this story, if it's true... the media is the way to go if you really want to turn the "bad guys" in. You might even earn some credibility too Exibar - Original Message - From: "n3td3v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. i'd watch it ... You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police (Note I was goiong to retire from this one but I thought it deserves at least a sensible reply with real information
n3td3v wrote: On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. i'd watch it ... You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ The problem is that thing that go whoosh by on the Internet these days are often pretty out there so often eveyone gets covered by the same broad brush whenver one believes/behaves strongly about something. I haven't followed all of this but if you think you can prove your point or convince some ADA (Assistant DA) to do something go try it. Santa Clara Countys DAs aee known to be gung ho, although in police work it is street work and gangs and all that stuff that is excitintg to them. The arcance goings on in Internet Companies is often seen by them as something that is the proverbial hard nut to crack and so unless it gets attached to some hot button issue like (sigh**3) terrorism then it doesn't go anywhere. Usually such investigations require that computer experts have to be brought in from outside and they have to be dealt with, unless the FBI can be gotten to be interested. Also if the charge is generally that company A's employees or "your" (as in you plural) are in some small cabal stealing company secrets it is often viewed by many law enforcement types as the rough and tumble of business and is seen as halfway "normal" or "disgusting but it's mpt like gang warfare man" or not such a bread and butter of law enforcement sadly like drug enforcement has become. White Collar types never seem really evil unless there is a real Patrick Bateman out there;) too many people. Patrick Bateman is figment of Bret Easton Ellis' imaagfination and that is something one's accusation have to rise above in order to action out of the autorities, in the case here you are talking about ADAs which is assistant district attorneys who are the people you should try to bend the ear of. However mira! vide infra! (Look Out Below!;) So that's what you are up against. That and being labeled as the disgruntled employee who for personal and emotional reasons just wants to bring people down. Many a law enforcement type has got into some investigation beased on someone's say so and they put lots of effort into it and it came to nothing. The Law Enforecemnt types want to know real clear details of wrongdoing, although they will listen a lot sometimes. It has to be something real that has real details that doesn't sound like a movie plot of spooky geek psychos from hells in secret cabals to do spooky stuff a la Swordfish (the movie) which is kind of what your accusations sound like right now to me. Note a plea from us civil liberties types. If you are serious plesae try to get your facts straight and don't spike it with a hot button issue to get their attention like terroism or child pornography and sex crimes with children or other legal attention getters unless there is factual truth to it. Note even here the powers that be got burned dealing with tech land. Remember the Java CoIventor who the powers that be tried to pretty much harassed because he went to visit some yount thing via his private jet and how there was a big furor and it all fell apart on the authorities side. Note Well from all information we have this was the correct thing because it was just a geek being geeky and running off to see someone he wanted to chat with and din't care if she was 11 or 111 but just had some neat ideas. So please don't spike your ideas with something hot just to get their attention. right now I will be honestg, it does sound like a conspiracy story with tales of "black hats" and a secert cabal that sets out to get people hired based on their relationship to the secret cabal who are set up to do things based in something liike "black hat social culture" and the accusations is like trrading in yahoo secrets to Google, well without proof the mind boggles. It is not like the internal knowledge of yahoo is state secrets of any of the large powerful countries in the world. Please done't muddy the water by spreading clouds of unpoved or unprovable accusations, we are already dealing with a word in which hot button issue worriess, like terrorism here, and terrorism and especially paedophilia in the UK have really got prosecutors and The Crown in the UK having too much power already and causing lots of subtle but very real and often ve
Re: So tell the police already (Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
Rowland wrote: Here I am taking notice of a thread in the middle, but I just can't resist jumping in. I'm perverse that way. You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo If I were in this position I'd cut the bluster short and go straight to the action. In fact I'd have turned the wrongdoers in already by now. Seven freaking years already? What have you been doing all that time? Don't tell it to us. Tell it to the police. Then tell us what happens. I'd really like to know. --- My skills and contact info: http://www.blcss.com/contactme.php Public Freenet gateway: http://blcss.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ I tend to agree ok something woke me up so I may as well dig my response out of mothballs, which is where I thought it belonged and send it. So I will so see you next message. Have Fun, Sends Steve ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
why go to the police? they most likely wouldn't care. You'd get more of a rosponce spilling it to the whole internet then getting /. and digg etc to talk about it ;) On 5/22/06, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sick of lying for yahoo employees I've gone on for 7 years lying for them I want to tell the police everything I know Someone off list tell me how to report this guy The "n3td3v" group was a joint effort of yahoo and google employees I want to hand them in now Regards, n3td3v I fell out with an employee, thats why i'm going public ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- Yours Faithfully Michael ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
nevermind with the police you want ot talk to Dateline, or 20/20. Dateline is really big on the whole "evil internet" thing right now so they are ripe for this story, if it's true... the media is the way to go if you really want to turn the "bad guys" in. You might even earn some credibility too Exibar - Original Message - From: "n3td3v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. i'd watch it ... You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
So tell the police already (Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
Here I am taking notice of a thread in the middle, but I just can't resist jumping in. I'm perverse that way. > > > > You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd > > treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees > > at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my > > local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a > > major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand > > myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo If I were in this position I'd cut the bluster short and go straight to the action. In fact I'd have turned the wrongdoers in already by now. Seven freaking years already? What have you been doing all that time? Don't tell it to us. Tell it to the police. Then tell us what happens. I'd really like to know. --- My skills and contact info: http://www.blcss.com/contactme.php Public Freenet gateway: http://blcss.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
and you really wonder why people blacklist your mails. - Original Message - From: "n3td3v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police > On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. > > > > > > i'd watch it ... > > > > > You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd > treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees > at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my > local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a > major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand > myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
mibbee you could go down to st leonards and see if they are interested though i reckon that you would get more response going up arthur's seat and shouting your info at the stoned students up there :-) dont think you will get anywhere without proof that what is going on will directly cause damage to the nation's core infrastructure / royal family / &c good luck btw make sure you are alcohol free when you go to the cops as if they smell bevy they are more likely to give you a tour of the stairs before throwing you in a cell for a period of time to let the ethanol metabolise On 5/22/06, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/22/06, Michael Silk < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show.>>> i'd watch it ...>You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto mylocal police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to handmyself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo___Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.htmlHosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
For you own safety, you should ensure that they take you into witness protection... and when you have your new personality, be careful NOT TO POST TO ANY SECURITY LISTS! This is not a game anymore. Good luck! n3td3v wrote: > I'm sick of lying for yahoo employees > > I've gone on for 7 years lying for them > > I want to tell the police everything I know > > Someone off list tell me how to report this guy > > The "n3td3v" group was a joint effort of yahoo and google employees > > I want to hand them in now > > Regards, > > n3td3v > > I fell out with an employee, thats why i'm going public > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. i'd watch it ... You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show. i'd watch it ... On 5/22/06, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sick of lying for yahoo employees I've gone on for 7 years lying for them I want to tell the police everything I know Someone off list tell me how to report this guy The "n3td3v" group was a joint effort of yahoo and google employees I want to hand them in now Regards, n3td3v I fell out with an employee, thats why i'm going public ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police
I'm sick of lying for yahoo employees I've gone on for 7 years lying for them I want to tell the police everything I know Someone off list tell me how to report this guy The "n3td3v" group was a joint effort of yahoo and google employees I want to hand them in now Regards, n3td3v I fell out with an employee, thats why i'm going public ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
