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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Edward Pearson wrote: Fuck you all. I'm going to Bugtraq. Bye Bye... We'll miss you!! - -- Flavio Visentin GPG Key: http://www.zipman.it/gpgkey.asc There are only 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE6NgOusUmHkh1cnoRAnSZAJ4rB9/YGH2JCQY7BzlkRvWhOajL0QCfRvBY gODcvlxOPjm1y3YDpEzMfMU= =y1Fa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On 8/15/06, Edward Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad somebody said it. I'm fed up of the whole if you don't like them, don't read them crap. Fuck you all. I'm going to Bugtraq. Right--you don't like the list, so you don't read it. You are acting in accordance with the mantra with which you express disagreement. Saying that it is possible to set up a system to automatically censor a significant portion of messages not related to security while allowing all messages that pertain to security doesn't make it so. Can anyone give a technical description of how this is supposed to work? Can anyone give a mathematical definition of what it means for a message to be security-related that almost everyone will agree on, or at least a mathematical definition of what it means for a message to be part of a superset of all security-related messages that nonetheless excludes a significant portion of messages that are not security related? If the answer to either of these questions is no, then people who call for a system of moderation of FD are engaging in wishful thinking, and, for those who propose details (rather than just spamming the list with regurgitated moderation requests), farfetched science fiction. If the answer to both those questions is yes, then a new security list should be established that conducts that kind of moderation, and that list should itself--at least initially--be subscribed to FD. On 8/15/06, Jason wrote (addressing Matt Burnett): If you actually do the analysis of the porn please use a different mail address to post so I will see the results. So Jason is saying: (1) The content you post on FD is wortheless to me, so rather than calling for moderation or telling you to change your behavior, I'm filtering it on my end because I don't wish to see it (perfectly reasonable). (2) If you decide to post content that you judge to be worthy of my attention, please go out of the way to circumvent my filters so that I receive it in spite of my decision not to receive your content. Jason appears to be calling for a dual-tracking system, whereby people who post lots of content that others don't like (or that just Jason doesn't like) use two email addresses--one for the content that people will wait to block, and one for the content that people will want to see. I fail to see how this differs appreciably from simply telling people to shut up, though I appreciate that it may have been a joke (and I hope it was). -Eliah ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Apologies for adding to the noise yet again. Eliah Kagan wrote: Jason appears to be calling for a dual-tracking system, whereby people who post lots of content that others don't like (or that just Jason doesn't like) use two email addresses--one for the content that people will wait to block, and one for the content that people will want to see. I fail to see how this differs appreciably from simply telling people to shut up, though I appreciate that it may have been a joke (and I hope it was). To clarify. It was fully tongue in cheek. A poke at the fact that it has yet to be shown there was in fact no security related content in the pictures and that it is unlikely anyone here will do so. I would be really interested and surprised if anyone did actually do the analysis. Perhaps this would be a good challenge for next years Defcon. Messages seeming to be spam sent over the span of a year containing the information needed to get into a penthouse party... ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- darren kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 The signal/noise ratio here has really gotten unbearable in the last few months. We can deal with most undesired mail from repeat posters with a filter, but the crapfloods need to be dealt with in a more drastic fashion. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 Sounds like **drastic** search for WMD has begun Mr President, with **drastic** efforts to deter childish activities. Hmmm... Ajay Pal Singh Atwal ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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quoth the Ajay Pal Singh Atwal: - darren kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 The signal/noise ratio here has really gotten unbearable in the last few months. We can deal with most undesired mail from repeat posters with a filter, but the crapfloods need to be dealt with in a more drastic fashion. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 Sounds like **drastic** search for WMD has begun Mr President, with **drastic** efforts to deter childish activities. Hmmm... Ajay Pal Singh Atwal Yeah yeah yeah... I'm a tool, wad, fucktard what have you...yadda yadda yadda. I was not aware of the moderated subset of the list, I was made aware, and I have joined. I suggest that whoever feels the same as me do the same, it's a perfectly reasonable solution for those who don't want the noise . I am just hanging around FD for another week or so to get a sense of just how much of a 'subset' it is...and what sort of lag there is. Seems little point in banging heads with the others here who are willing to fight and die to preserve their right to post and download megs of animal porn and other assorted bullshit to and from a security ML. cya -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 pgplQxUbP3hKO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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You have got to be kidding me. Is that site for real? I mean he really makes money off animal based cartoon characters doing porn? WTF has this world come to. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Burnett Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:48 AM To: Dude VanWinkle Cc: Time 4; full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] LOL HY Dunno but having to dl ~1MB of pron of FD make me take a look. Wouldnt be surprised if it was somehow related to this lawsuit: http://www.sexyfur.com/judgeboyle.html I hate moderation but could we atleast filter out useless crap like this? We could easily allow the the hundreds of XSS 'ploits for noname products, but could we atleast remove crap like this, maybe even stop 95% of netdev's posts; you could allow his XSS. Isnt there a list charter for a reason? Should i start flooding the list with pron too, in order to demonstrate the necsisty. Im all for no holds barred security discussion but 1MB of highschool-level pron has abosultly nothing to do with security On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Dude VanWinkle wrote: who is bernal? On 8/14/06, Time 4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL THIS IS PORN FOR BERNAL AND THE WHITEHATS BERNAL CANNOT STOP FULL DISCLOSURE ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Have you paid attention to the internet for the past 15 years? People pay plenty of money to watch people fuck real animals and insert champagne bottles in to their orifices. Anyways i guess I have to question why anybody pays for pron, of any type. On Aug 15, 2006, at 1:04 AM, y0himba wrote: You have got to be kidding me. Is that site for real? I mean he really makes money off animal based cartoon characters doing porn? WTF has this world come to. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Burnett Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:48 AM To: Dude VanWinkle Cc: Time 4; full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] LOL HY Dunno but having to dl ~1MB of pron of FD make me take a look. Wouldnt be surprised if it was somehow related to this lawsuit: http://www.sexyfur.com/judgeboyle.html I hate moderation but could we atleast filter out useless crap like this? We could easily allow the the hundreds of XSS 'ploits for noname products, but could we atleast remove crap like this, maybe even stop 95% of netdev's posts; you could allow his XSS. Isnt there a list charter for a reason? Should i start flooding the list with pron too, in order to demonstrate the necsisty. Im all for no holds barred security discussion but 1MB of highschool-level pron has abosultly nothing to do with security On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Dude VanWinkle wrote: who is bernal? On 8/14/06, Time 4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL THIS IS PORN FOR BERNAL AND THE WHITEHATS BERNAL CANNOT STOP FULL DISCLOSURE ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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you just can't grasp the idea of fd can you matt. it is _so_ easy not to read these messages. what the fuck is your problem? don't you remember the simpsons? *just don't look, just don't look* -- mic ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On 8/15/06, Matt Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the fuck is my problem? I had to dl ~1MB of shitty porn, which prevents me from having 1.5 seconds more of decent high quality porn. Thats my fucking problem. Now the real question is what the fuck is your problem? If its so easy to not read these messages they why the fuck do you keep reading mine? So would you tell me what the the idea of fd is? Last time i read the charter it was supposed to be about security. Thats what the fuck the idea of FD is, mother fucking security, not shitty porn. Would you mind informing everyone here how crappy porn fits in to the idea of fd? BTW what is your convoluted idea of fd? see, now THIS is good tv. come on producers, where is the fd tv show ... -- mic ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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What the fuck is my problem? I had to dl ~1MB of shitty porn, which prevents me from having 1.5 seconds more of decent high quality porn. Thats my fucking problem. Now the real question is what the fuck is your problem? If its so easy to not read these messages they why the fuck do you keep reading mine? So would you tell me what the the idea of fd is? Last time i read the charter it was supposed to be about security. Thats what the fuck the idea of FD is, mother fucking security, not shitty porn. Would you mind informing everyone here how crappy porn fits in to the idea of fd? BTW what is your convoluted idea of fd? And no im not a fan of the simpsons, i prefered liquid television. On Aug 15, 2006, at 1:33 AM, mikeiscool wrote: you just can't grasp the idea of fd can you matt. it is _so_ easy not to read these messages. what the fuck is your problem? don't you remember the simpsons? *just don't look, just don't look* -- mic ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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l4m3rs!!! Matt Burnett wrote: What the fuck is my problem? I had to dl ~1MB of shitty porn, which prevents me from having 1.5 seconds more of decent high quality porn. Thats my fucking problem. Now the real question is what the fuck is your problem? If its so easy to not read these messages they why the fuck do you keep reading mine? So would you tell me what the the idea of fd is? Last time i read the charter it was supposed to be about security. Thats what the fuck the idea of FD is, mother fucking security, not shitty porn. Would you mind informing everyone here how crappy porn fits in to the idea of fd? BTW what is your convoluted idea of fd? And no im not a fan of the simpsons, i prefered liquid television. On Aug 15, 2006, at 1:33 AM, mikeiscool wrote: you just can't grasp the idea of fd can you matt. it is _so_ easy not to read these messages. what the fuck is your problem? don't you remember the simpsons? *just don't look, just don't look* -- mic ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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I'm glad somebody said it. I'm fed up of the whole if you don't like them, don't read them crap. It is a security list, last week I got 1200 e-mails from FD. I think I found around 90-100 that weren't spam/n3td3v/pr0n/assorted bullshit. These people take the piss and generally fuck things up for those here to learn and share. Every few months people ask that this list become moderated, every few months it breaks down into spam and anarchy thanks to a few wankers who have too much time on their hands. Fuck you all. I'm going to Bugtraq. Anybody else looking to stop this daily mailbox cleaning, should do so as well, it has become a FAR superior list nowadays anyway, mostly thanks to the people here driving real users away. Ed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mikeiscool Sent: 15 August 2006 07:56 To: Matt Burnett Cc: full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] LOL HY On 8/15/06, Matt Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the fuck is my problem? I had to dl ~1MB of shitty porn, which prevents me from having 1.5 seconds more of decent high quality porn. Thats my fucking problem. Now the real question is what the fuck is your problem? If its so easy to not read these messages they why the fuck do you keep reading mine? So would you tell me what the the idea of fd is? Last time i read the charter it was supposed to be about security. Thats what the fuck the idea of FD is, mother fucking security, not shitty porn. Would you mind informing everyone here how crappy porn fits in to the idea of fd? BTW what is your convoluted idea of fd? see, now THIS is good tv. come on producers, where is the fd tv show ... -- mic ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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You really think this would be hard to design. Think about how most spam solutions work, if you get 25 posts in hour with 100k attachments from a new user, do you think they are talking about security or are they posting porn. Anything a spam filter would consider suspicous could be flaged for moderator approval. Its not 100% fool proof but do you really think some 16 year old kid whos posting porn here would take the time to try to defeat it, in order just to post crappy porn? If implemented properly it would not limit the free exchange of SECURITY RELATED information, but would limit the exchange of porn on FD. You dont think a couple thousand security people, most of whom are strong supporters of privacy rights/civil rights/etc couldnt devise a proper system that would not impead the exchange of security related information? Anyways what legal issues are you talking about, be specific. For one i know that it is against nearly all American corporate internet use policies to look at porn. So some 16 year old kid could potentialy get someone fired for sending porn on FD. Hows that for a legal issue. You never read what i said. You claimed that the link at the bottom would remove me, i said it went to the charter. Go re-read that email. What are you talking about, the charter never says along with an open forum for discussion comes some undesirable... Would you mind not making up quotes of FD If you dont belive me then here is the google link verifing my claim: http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=%22along+with+an +open+forum+for+discussion+comes+some+undesirable%22 +site:lists.grok.org.ukie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 Ive been around FD and BQ for several years, and no im not interested in a lite version of FD, just one that includes only security related information. Would you please stop fabricating quotes and actually answer a couple of the questions instead of changing the subject? Thanks! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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quoth the Matt Burnett: You really think this would be hard to design. Think about how most spam solutions work, if you get 25 posts in hour with 100k attachments from a new user, do you think they are talking about security or are they posting porn. Anything a spam filter would consider suspicous could be flaged for moderator approval. Its not 100% fool proof but do you really think some 16 year old kid whos posting porn here would take the time to try to defeat it, in order just to post crappy porn? If implemented properly it would not limit the free exchange of SECURITY RELATED information, but would limit the exchange of porn on FD. You dont think a couple thousand security people, most of whom are strong supporters of privacy rights/civil rights/etc couldnt devise a proper system that would not impead the exchange of security related information? +1 The signal/noise ratio here has really gotten unbearable in the last few months. We can deal with most undesired mail from repeat posters with a filter, but the crapfloods need to be dealt with in a more drastic fashion. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 pgpTEB2QAusNM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Matt Burnett wrote: You really think this would be hard to design. Think about how most spam solutions work, if you get 25 posts in hour with 100k attachments from a new user, do you think they are talking about security or are they posting porn. Anything a spam filter would consider suspicous could be flaged for moderator approval. Its not 100% fool proof but do you really think some 16 year old kid whos posting porn here would take the time to try to defeat it, in order just to post crappy porn? Wonderful. I suggest that you get or develop this technology for yourself and offer it to others. Have you done the analysis of the images yet? I quote the challenge again for your and the lists benefit. Are you an expert? Have you done an analysis of the porn? What were your findings? Are there any hidden messages? Disclosures? Patterns? Trends? The next target of a terrorist plot could be embedded in there somewhere just waiting for you to discover it. If implemented properly it would not limit the free exchange of SECURITY RELATED information, but would limit the exchange of porn on FD. You dont think a couple thousand security people, most of whom are strong supporters of privacy rights/civil rights/etc couldnt devise a proper system that would not impead the exchange of security related information? Anyways what legal issues are you talking about, be specific. For one i know that it is against nearly all American corporate internet use policies to look at porn. So some 16 year old kid could potentialy get someone fired for sending porn on FD. Hows that for a legal issue. If you are on a corporate network and subscribed to FD using corporate resources without the authority and justification to do so then you deserve to be terminated. It has nothing to do with porn and is just as likely to have the same effect for downloading copyrighted content, exploits, dangerous material, viruses... You never read what i said. You claimed that the link at the bottom would remove me, i said it went to the charter. Go re-read that email. I said If you are that inconvenienced by it I would suggest that you and anyone else unhappy with an open forum use the link at the bottom of the mail to gracefully remove yourself from the list population. What are you talking about, the charter never says along with an open forum for discussion comes some undesirable... Would you mind not making up quotes of FD If you dont belive me then here is the google link verifing my claim: http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=%22along+with+an+open+forum+for+discussion+comes+some+undesirable%22+site:lists.grok.org.ukie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8 You are truly dense aren't you. _I_ (as in me) said along with an open forum for discussion comes some undesirable... which was a truncated quote from the previous mail where I said Along with an open forum for discussion comes some undesirable influences like yourself, the mentioned porn, netdoodle, and the rest. I never implied this was in the charter. Last guy calling for moderation didn't even get the courtesy of a private reply like you did. /me thinks that approach is superior. You == n3td3v == common twit - welcome to my filters. If you actually do the analysis of the porn please use a different mail address to post so I will see the results. Ive been around FD and BQ for several years, and no im not interested in a lite version of FD, just one that includes only security related information. As stated and previously shown, several options are readily available to you. If you don't want to use them then please let it be. It seems to me that your choices are at odds with your desires. I usually find that your pastor will happily help you with these internal conflicts. Just in case you want to reconsider using the moderated version I'll paste the link to the original post again - http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2004-01/0590.html Would you please stop fabricating quotes and actually answer a couple of the questions instead of changing the subject? Thanks! I've still got them in my sent where I wrote them and then copied them from. It is quite interesting how you are brave and cocky until you get it given back and then you cower and take the thread back to list where it is still off topic. Where is that attitude you were throwing around just a few minutes ago? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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who is bernal? On 8/14/06, Time 4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL THIS IS PORN FOR BERNAL AND THE WHITEHATS BERNAL CANNOT STOP FULL DISCLOSURE ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Dunno but having to dl ~1MB of pron of FD make me take a look. Wouldnt be surprised if it was somehow related to this lawsuit: http://www.sexyfur.com/judgeboyle.html I hate moderation but could we atleast filter out useless crap like this? We could easily allow the the hundreds of XSS 'ploits for noname products, but could we atleast remove crap like this, maybe even stop 95% of netdev's posts; you could allow his XSS. Isnt there a list charter for a reason? Should i start flooding the list with pron too, in order to demonstrate the necsisty. Im all for no holds barred security discussion but 1MB of highschool-level pron has abosultly nothing to do with security On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Dude VanWinkle wrote: who is bernal? On 8/14/06, Time 4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL THIS IS PORN FOR BERNAL AND THE WHITEHATS BERNAL CANNOT STOP FULL DISCLOSURE ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
