Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote: He already talks about how he's already thought about that in a prior article: http://gawker.com/5850025/right+wing-rabble+rouser-leaks-thousands-of-occupy-wall-street-emails Lol Best of luck to him (he's playing a dangerous game). Does the Darwin Awards have a category for dumb computer related decisions? Jeff -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure- boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:05 PM To: Ivan . Cc: full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall- street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:48:46 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: Does the Darwin Awards have a category for dumb computer related decisions? Hmm.. for computer related ones? Good question. The Darwin Awards are for those who remove themselves from the gene pool in *spectacular* ways. They disallow entrants for reasons of mental disease or defect-- so failing to reproduce just because you're a troll living in your parent's basement loses twice - it's commonplace, not spectacular, and it usually isn't a result of a conscious decision you made. Having said that. I suppose it *is* possible. Consider the (hiopefully hypothetical) example of an expreme overclocker who does something predictably stupid and ends up with a lapful of liquid nitrogen and a case of severe frostbite. Gives a whole new meaing to shatter attack ;) Yeah, *that* would get a Darwin. ;) pgpcwqxcj3zRn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 06:03, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:48:46 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: Does the Darwin Awards have a category for dumb computer related decisions? Hmm.. for computer related ones? Good question. The Darwin Awards are for those who remove themselves from the gene pool in *spectacular* ways. They disallow entrants for reasons of mental disease or defect-- so failing to reproduce just because you're a troll living in your parent's basement loses twice - it's commonplace, not spectacular, and it usually isn't a result of a conscious decision you made. Having said that. I suppose it *is* possible. Consider the (hiopefully hypothetical) example of an expreme overclocker who does something predictably stupid and ends up with a lapful of liquid nitrogen and a case of severe frostbite. Gives a whole new meaing to shatter attack ;) Yeah, *that* would get a Darwin. ;) I have heard rumors of an instance that would qualify: Supposedly there was a fellow who knew he was under police surveillance for bad computing behavior of some sort or another, and had prepared for a raid by outfitting his residence with video cameras, and his computer with a kill switch. Little did he know that he was more literal than expected. He had packed the computer case full of thermite, rather than simply putting an ounce or three on top of the hard drive. He was next to the computer when noticed a raid descending, and he hit the kill switch. There wasn't much left of the room he was in... I've not been able to verify this story, but it does come from a source that I consider reliable. Kurt ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
--On October 17, 2011 9:03:21 AM -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:48:46 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: Does the Darwin Awards have a category for dumb computer related decisions? Hmm.. for computer related ones? Good question. The Darwin Awards are for those who remove themselves from the gene pool in *spectacular* ways. They disallow entrants for reasons of mental disease or defect-- so failing to reproduce just because you're a troll living in your parent's basement loses twice - it's commonplace, not spectacular, and it usually isn't a result of a conscious decision you made. OTOH, don't you think someone who qualifies for a Darwin Award has demonstrated a mental deficiency? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. George Orwell ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:32:04 CDT, Paul Schmehl said: OTOH, don't you think someone who qualifies for a Darwin Award has demonstrated a mental deficiency? There's a difference between not having any brains and not using what you got. http://www.darwinawards.com/rules/rules4.html The candidate must be capable of sound judgment. Humans are generally capable of sound judgment, except those with mental handicaps that render them unable to fully comprehend the ramifications of their actions. Departing the gene pool in a spectacularly stupid way because you *can't* think it through is just a sad event. Doing it because you *didn't bother* thinking it through is Darwin Award fodder. Somebody mentioned a (probably apocryphal) incident using thermite - that's a good example. The person was *aware* that thermite burns *really hot*, and didn't take proper care. This is a totally different situation from some poor soul with Down's Syndrome, who sees thermite burn once, and thinks it's *really* pretty and decides to light some himself... pgpqtiZrEQ2n8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
I don't think I have any mental deficiency, but I've certainly done things that almost got me a Darwin Award. I think momentary lack of reason better describes it. -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure- boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Schmehl Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:32 AM To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu; noloa...@gmail.com Cc: full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD --On October 17, 2011 9:03:21 AM -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:48:46 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: Does the Darwin Awards have a category for dumb computer related decisions? Hmm.. for computer related ones? Good question. The Darwin Awards are for those who remove themselves from the gene pool in *spectacular* ways. They disallow entrants for reasons of mental disease or defect-- so failing to reproduce just because you're a troll living in your parent's basement loses twice - it's commonplace, not spectacular, and it usually isn't a result of a conscious decision you made. OTOH, don't you think someone who qualifies for a Darwin Award has demonstrated a mental deficiency? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. George Orwell ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
So to qualify for a Darwin Award you need a fatally flawed Intelligent Design. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:03 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:48:46 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said: Does the Darwin Awards have a category for dumb computer related decisions? Hmm.. for computer related ones? Good question. The Darwin Awards are for those who remove themselves from the gene pool in *spectacular* ways. They disallow entrants for reasons of mental disease or defect-- so failing to reproduce just because you're a troll living in your parent's basement loses twice - it's commonplace, not spectacular, and it usually isn't a result of a conscious decision you made. Having said that. I suppose it *is* possible. Consider the (hiopefully hypothetical) example of an expreme overclocker who does something predictably stupid and ends up with a lapful of liquid nitrogen and a case of severe frostbite. Gives a whole new meaing to shatter attack ;) Yeah, *that* would get a Darwin. ;) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Too funny: Interestingly, it was Ryan who revealed himself as a snitch. We learned of these emails from the archive Ryan leaked yesterday in the hopes of undermining the Occupy Wall Street movement. In assembling the archive of September17discuss emails, it appears he accidentally included some of his own forwarded emails indicating he was ratting out organizers. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
He already talks about how he's already thought about that in a prior article: http://gawker.com/5850025/right+wing-rabble+rouser-leaks-thousands-of-occupy-wall-street-emails -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure- boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:05 PM To: Ivan . Cc: full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall- street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyryan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
Funny, Anonymous' tagline seems to be either with us, or you're corrupt. Happens that everyone I know well wouldn't touch Anonymous with a barge pole. I may arguably be naive, but I'm certainly not corrupt. So it seems they're yet another pawn... Not that it's anything new, really. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ryan Dewhurst ryandewhu...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyryan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On 10/16/2011 6:07 PM, Ryan Dewhurst wrote: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyryan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jeffrey Waltonnoloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan .ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ I have heard of him before , hes pretty much just a big cluebag. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On 10/16/2011 6:19 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote: Funny, Anonymous' tagline seems to be either with us, or you're corrupt. Happens that everyone I know well wouldn't touch Anonymous with a barge pole. I may arguably be naive, but I'm certainly not corrupt. So it seems they're yet another pawn... Not that it's anything new, really. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ryan Dewhurst ryandewhu...@gmail.com mailto:ryandewhu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyryan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com mailto:noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com mailto:ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Thomas Ryan is definitely not the brightest fellow in computer security: We have been heavily monitoring Occupy Wall Street, and Anonymous. Aaron Barr did similar, ruined the company he worked for (HBGary Federal) and lost his job in the process. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ You realize most of the protesters arent a part of anonymous at all right? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd There appears to be a credibility issue here: Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. I'm involved with OWASP, and I was appalled he is/was a board member. Apparently, Ryan lied: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Application_Security_Project (see Section 7, Board members). Thanks to Chris Schmidt of OWASP for verifying. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On 10/16/2011 6:55 PM, James Condron wrote: You realize most of the protesters arent a part of anonymous at all right? If not all of them; its hard work putting jeans and a tshirt on and leaving the house. Certainly without charging your motorised scooter and bringing a couple of hours supply of pork scratchings. Anonymous have become the new bogeyman- lets remember who these people are and calm the fuck down- they're a threat, sure, but no more than a fly landing on your lunch. I have to agree that people have overblown the threat that Anon is, but of course there's a lot of money to be made in scaring the crap out of people. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
You realize most of the protesters arent a part of anonymous at all right? If not all of them; its hard work putting jeans and a tshirt on and leaving the house. Certainly without charging your motorised scooter and bringing a couple of hours supply of pork scratchings. Anonymous have become the new bogeyman- lets remember who these people are and calm the fuck down- they're a threat, sure, but no more than a fly landing on your lunch. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On 17 Oct 2011, at 00:58, Laurelai wrote: On 10/16/2011 6:55 PM, James Condron wrote: You realize most of the protesters arent a part of anonymous at all right? If not all of them; its hard work putting jeans and a tshirt on and leaving the house. Certainly without charging your motorised scooter and bringing a couple of hours supply of pork scratchings. Anonymous have become the new bogeyman- lets remember who these people are and calm the fuck down- they're a threat, sure, but no more than a fly landing on your lunch. I have to agree that people have overblown the threat that Anon is, but of course there's a lot of money to be made in scaring the crap out of people. This is true, and its what keeps me in a job. I think we can, of course, all agree that both anonymous are heavily overblown and Thomas Ryan is a bit of a tit. In other news, look out for my interview on CNN talking about how I gained access to a series of security mailing lists by simply signing up $eyes-roll() ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:58:32 CDT, Laurelai said: I have to agree that people have overblown the threat that Anon is, but of course there's a lot of money to be made in scaring the crap out of people. DHS, TSA, and the Patriot Act. 'Nuff said. ;) pgp5mrShl5o5y.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1674591/pg1 I wonder who else is being paid to try to stop the protesters, and i wonder where the money is coming from ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Laurelai laure...@oneechan.org wrote: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1674591/pg1 I wonder who else is being paid to try to stop the protesters, and i wonder where the money is coming from We're looking for the best demoralizing occupy wall street protester graphics we can get!... Make your point about these lazy hippie communist scum bags that are trying to take down our country!! Too funny. Its a shame the contest is limited to OWS protesters. A photograph of President Obama at the Banker's luncheon (after he took office) would be very appropriate for the folks who are taking down the country*. Recall that Obama boasted (to paraphrase), My Administration is the only thing saving you [the bankers] from the pitchforks of the American people. Jeff * Its not limited to the president - its all politicians and their relationship with corporate america ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On 10/16/2011 9:17 PM, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On October 16, 2011 8:36:05 PM -0500 Laurelai laure...@oneechan.org wrote: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1674591/pg1 I wonder who else is being paid to try to stop the protesters, and i wonder where the money is coming from We know who's paying the protestors and where that money is coming from. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ** When intelligence argues with stupidity and bias, intelligence is bound to lose; intelligence has limits, but stupidity and bias have none. Really? I wish somebody had told me I was supposed to collect a check from this. Where do i sign up for back pay? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd There appears to be a credibility issue here: Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. I'm involved with OWASP, and I was appalled he is/was a board member. Apparently, Ryan lied: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Application_Security_Project (see Section 7, Board members). Thanks to Chris Schmidt of OWASP for verifying. This was not a Gawker misquote or error. Ryan lied: https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/esapi-dev/attachments/20111016/80f07e62/attachment-0001.jpg. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD
--On October 16, 2011 8:36:05 PM -0500 Laurelai laure...@oneechan.org wrote: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1674591/pg1 I wonder who else is being paid to try to stop the protesters, and i wonder where the money is coming from We know who's paying the protestors and where that money is coming from. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ** When intelligence argues with stupidity and bias, intelligence is bound to lose; intelligence has limits, but stupidity and bias have none. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
