Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
hey, how overhyped is the shit now that its in the while and proving ur ass wrong bitch? On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:00 AM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ Hi Sandy Vagina, Looks like they did a U-turn after realising how over hyped the bug actually is. Nominees Unspecified DNS cache poisoning vulnerability (CVE-2008-1447) Dan Kaminsky Dan Kaminsky is credited with discovering some unspecified vulnerabilities in DNS that allow for cache poisoning on a massive the-intarweb-tubes-will-burst-and-flood-your-basement scale. There has been massive media attention over this vulnerability and a large amount of backlash in the security community over the lack of details. When the full details of the vulnerability are revealed at BlackHat, the masses will decide whether the hype and secrecy were worth it. And, more importantly, the Pwnie Judges will vote on whether Dan gets the Pwnie for Most Overhyped Bug. http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html#overhypedbug All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ Hi Sandy Vagina, Looks like they did a U-turn after realising how over hyped the bug actually is. Nominees Unspecified DNS cache poisoning vulnerability (CVE-2008-1447) Dan Kaminsky Dan Kaminsky is credited with discovering some unspecified vulnerabilities in DNS that allow for cache poisoning on a massive the-intarweb-tubes-will-burst-and-flood-your-basement scale. There has been massive media attention over this vulnerability and a large amount of backlash in the security community over the lack of details. When the full details of the vulnerability are revealed at BlackHat, the masses will decide whether the hype and secrecy were worth it. And, more importantly, the Pwnie Judges will vote on whether Dan gets the Pwnie for Most Overhyped Bug. http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html#overhypedbug All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
Hi Sandy Vagina, Looks like they did a U-turn after realising how over hyped the bug actually is. n3td3v So the Cat's out of the bag and the bug's public. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/kaminsky-on-how.html http://blog.invisibledenizen.org/2008/07/kaminskys-dns-issue-accidentally-leaked.html Still think this deserves a nomination? Hype. Excessive, exaggerated publicity, to give more attention than it deserves. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3Ahype Given how easy it appears to be to redirect a client to a malicious web server, is this publicity excessive? It's clearly had the most publicity but I don't think it's that clean cut. This is an awkward one as Mom and Pop web surfers sitting at home are the ones that are vulnerable here if they're redirected and phished, yet they cannot patch this and easily protect themselves through their normal methods such as Windows Update or IE7's phishing filter (correct me if I'm wrong here but I think this will report the site as OK) - they're relying on other people patching this. In their shoes, I'd be screaming for publicity for this to make sure other people are patching to keep me protected. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
nate, he doesn't have a job in the security industry. so he's made that we do. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Nate McFeters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v, Dino's beyond well respected in the security community. Also, you won't know if it is an overhyped bug until Black Hat, and you might have to reverse your opinion and statements after the details are released. Although I will say this, it could still qualify as the most overhyped bug, even if it also wins the most awesome bug, because the hype on this has been amazingly huge. Finally n3td3v, I've agreed with some of your posts, but I don't understand why you are against people making money in the security industry. I mean, what's wrong with making money? Gotta pay the bills somehow, better then being a janitor. -Nate On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Its an old bug being used to market a security conference called Blackhat and thats all there is to it. Its definitely an overhyped bug!!! The bad guys have been able to poison the DNS cache for years!!! It was just ignored by the industry before... now some guy called Dan Kaminsky has decided to copy paste it from the web and mass mailed it to vendors after all these years. If the internet was gonna fall apart it would of happened by now. All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
you've agreed w/ some of his posts? y'mean you've actually been reading all that shit that he types? someone mustn't have anything better to do other than sucking off everybody semi-famous in infosec. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Nate McFeters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v, Dino's beyond well respected in the security community. Also, you won't know if it is an overhyped bug until Black Hat, and you might have to reverse your opinion and statements after the details are released. Although I will say this, it could still qualify as the most overhyped bug, even if it also wins the most awesome bug, because the hype on this has been amazingly huge. Finally n3td3v, I've agreed with some of your posts, but I don't understand why you are against people making money in the security industry. I mean, what's wrong with making money? Gotta pay the bills somehow, better then being a janitor. -Nate On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Its an old bug being used to market a security conference called Blackhat and thats all there is to it. Its definitely an overhyped bug!!! The bad guys have been able to poison the DNS cache for years!!! It was just ignored by the industry before... now some guy called Dan Kaminsky has decided to copy paste it from the web and mass mailed it to vendors after all these years. If the internet was gonna fall apart it would of happened by now. All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
n3td3v, Dino's beyond well respected in the security community. Also, you won't know if it is an overhyped bug until Black Hat, and you might have to reverse your opinion and statements after the details are released. Although I will say this, it could still qualify as the most overhyped bug, even if it also wins the most awesome bug, because the hype on this has been amazingly huge. Finally n3td3v, I've agreed with some of your posts, but I don't understand why you are against people making money in the security industry. I mean, what's wrong with making money? Gotta pay the bills somehow, better then being a janitor. -Nate On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:33 PM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Its an old bug being used to market a security conference called Blackhat and thats all there is to it. Its definitely an overhyped bug!!! The bad guys have been able to poison the DNS cache for years!!! It was just ignored by the industry before... now some guy called Dan Kaminsky has decided to copy paste it from the web and mass mailed it to vendors after all these years. If the internet was gonna fall apart it would of happened by now. All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:58 PM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm downplaying this vulnerability on purpose because I know its overhyped snip You've generated so much traffic on this list about it that you've actually hyped the issue up FOR them. Make sure you're collecting a commission, I'd hate to see a flood of emails about it afterwards. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. I have heard about the vulnerability and have concluded its just clever marketing PR work to keep the profits rolling in for the Blackhat conference. Infact, the vulnerability is old, and has been around for a long time... I suspect the exploit will be appearing on Full-Disclosure in the next few days to steal Dan Kaminsky's thunder. He told researchers who work out the lame bug to tell him in private, and that he would full credit you in advisories and invite you to come up on stage with him. People should ignore this and post the exploit to Full-Disclosure before Blackhat conference to fuck up the Blackhat profits and show everyone how lame the exploit actually is. http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html#overhypedbug All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ I have heard about the vulnerability In the future, don't stop at hearing about something and proceed straight to working on comprehending. People should ignore this and post the exploit to Full-Disclosure before Blackhat conference to fuck up the Blackhat profits and show everyone how lame the exploit actually is. Turned down your talk submission on secret stuff I do with MI5, did they? Given how much you can't stand it when anyone but you gets some attention for infosec stuff, Dan's patch must have triggered a full, rolling on the floor, kicking, crying and screaming until you can't breathe tantrum. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:22:31 PDT, Sandy Vagina said: People should ignore this and post the exploit to Full-Disclosure before Blackhat conference to fuck up the Blackhat profits and show everyone how lame the exploit actually is. Turned down your talk submission on secret stuff I do with MI5, did they? Given how much you can't stand it when anyone but you gets some attention for infosec stuff, Dan's patch must have triggered a full, rolling on the floor, kicking, crying and screaming until you can't breathe tantrum. n3td3v is just mad he can't match the scope of Dan's announcement, and who they had to get onboard for the coordinated release: I'm pretty proud of what we accomplished here. We got Windows. We got Cisco IOS. We got Nominum. We got BIND 9, and when we couldn't get BIND 8, we got Yahoo, the biggest BIND 8 deployment we knew of, to publicly commit to abandoning it entirely. http://www.circleid.com/posts/87920_an_astonishing_collaboration/ The rest is quite an informative read too pgpyBwUrys2km.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n3td3v wrote: Please nominate Mr.DNS aka Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug on the Pwnie Awards 2008. Perhaps if you bothered to read anywhere close to as much as you write, you would have seen that Dino, one of the judges, specifically disqualified this bug from the Pwnies for being too awesome: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/09/dan-kaminsky-disqualified-from-most-overhyped-bug-pwnie/ Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Its an old bug being used to market a security conference called Blackhat and thats all there is to it. Its definitely an overhyped bug!!! The bad guys have been able to poison the DNS cache for years!!! It was just ignored by the industry before... now some guy called Dan Kaminsky has decided to copy paste it from the web and mass mailed it to vendors after all these years. If the internet was gonna fall apart it would of happened by now. All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. Earlier, you wanted people to submit this to Dino to vote on. Now that it has been pointed out to you that it doesn't qualify, he's not worthwhile. Nice flip-flop. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Why don't you explain what's not? That's right, you can't. You don't know anything about it. And whoever he is is one of the Pwnie judges. You know, the guys you just told everyone to contact? Not even you pay attention to n3td3v, do you? The bad guys have been able to poison the DNS cache for years!!! It was just ignored by the industry before... now some guy called Dan Kaminsky has decided to copy paste it from the web and mass mailed it to vendors after all these years. I hype and mass-mail people about old bugs all the time! Pay attention to m! Whhh. - n3td3v Sandy ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. Earlier, you wanted people to submit this to Dino to vote on. Now that it has been pointed out to you that it doesn't qualify, he's not worthwhile. Nice flip-flop. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Why don't you explain what's not? That's right, you can't. You don't know anything about it. The only thing awesome about it is its gonna sell more Blackhat security conference tickets, thats about it... so yeah people connected to Blackhat are gonna think its awesome, its actually a peice of shit that nobody cares about. I'm downplaying this vulnerability on purpose because I know its overhyped. It really is a peice of shit designed to make somebody some money, i've not got a list of profiteers in front of me but I know somebody somewhere has that list of people and could publish it to Full-Disclosure mailing list, so us ordinary people can see through the hype and bullshit and actually get to the facts of what the security industry has turned into, a hyped up money making meca of false claims and accusations to spin up free advertising by getting the media to talk about X vulnerability, and to buy a ticket for X security conference to find out the details. The security industry is a fuck up, nobody cares about security anymore, just a bunch of faggots willing to line their pockets with money so they can buy a yacht and go live on a beach somewhere for 12 months and fuck a bunch of chicks. No wonder your name is Sandy Vagina, you're probably one of the whores getting fucked by one of these researchers on a beach after Blackhat and will be invited back to the yacht for an orgy fest of bullshit, yes these faggots are laughing all the way to the bank and taking us ordinary working class people for a ride by hyping this vulnerability up for more than it is, for the simple fact to be able to afford more champagne and condoms for when the afterparty happens. Someones got to stand up against the profiteering on multiple fronts on the security scene and n3td3v is the one to do it. Yes there are going to be lots of fucknuts who don't like n3td3v but they are likely on the list of profiteers either directly or indirectly. I would like to see research done into who is actually making money and who isn't, it would be more worth while research than some dumb fuck claiming to be able to take down the entire internet via DNS cache poisoning. If I sound angry its because I probably am... the amount of shitty news reports i've read over the past few days vs the truth is astonishing. I wish more poeple would come out in public and downplay the vulnerability for what its worth, and I know after Blackhat security conference is over even Dan Kaminsky will downplay it, but while the Blackhat security conference hasn't happened yet, you're going to hear a lot of wild accusations and media hype to make sure Blackhat is a sell out. After Blackhat security conference is done with, you'll see the truth of the profiteers for what they're worth, a bunch of scum bags who told us a bunch of lies to get what they wanted, MONEY! All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
n3td3v escreveu: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Sandy Vagina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well quite clearly Dino is a faggot then. Earlier, you wanted people to submit this to Dino to vote on. Now that it has been pointed out to you that it doesn't qualify, he's not worthwhile. Nice flip-flop. I want Dino whoever he is to come on Full-Disclosure and explain what's awesome about it? Why don't you explain what's not? That's right, you can't. You don't know anything about it. The only thing awesome about it is its gonna sell more Blackhat security conference tickets, thats about it... so yeah people connected to Blackhat are gonna think its awesome, its actually a peice of shit that nobody cares about. I'm downplaying this vulnerability on purpose because I know its overhyped. It really is a peice of shit designed to make somebody some money, i've not got a list of profiteers in front of me but I know somebody somewhere has that list of people and could publish it to Full-Disclosure mailing list, so us ordinary people can see through the hype and bullshit and actually get to the facts of what the security industry has turned into, a hyped up money making meca of false claims and accusations to spin up free advertising by getting the media to talk about X vulnerability, and to buy a ticket for X security conference to find out the details. The security industry is a fuck up, nobody cares about security anymore, just a bunch of faggots willing to line their pockets with money so they can buy a yacht and go live on a beach somewhere for 12 months and fuck a bunch of chicks. No wonder your name is Sandy Vagina, you're probably one of the whores getting fucked by one of these researchers on a beach after Blackhat and will be invited back to the yacht for an orgy fest of bullshit, yes these faggots are laughing all the way to the bank and taking us ordinary working class people for a ride by hyping this vulnerability up for more than it is, for the simple fact to be able to afford more champagne and condoms for when the afterparty happens. Someones got to stand up against the profiteering on multiple fronts on the security scene and n3td3v is the one to do it. Yes there are going to be lots of fucknuts who don't like n3td3v but they are likely on the list of profiteers either directly or indirectly. I would like to see research done into who is actually making money and who isn't, it would be more worth while research than some dumb fuck claiming to be able to take down the entire internet via DNS cache poisoning. If I sound angry its because I probably am... the amount of shitty news reports i've read over the past few days vs the truth is astonishing. I wish more poeple would come out in public and downplay the vulnerability for what its worth, and I know after Blackhat security conference is over even Dan Kaminsky will downplay it, but while the Blackhat security conference hasn't happened yet, you're going to hear a lot of wild accusations and media hype to make sure Blackhat is a sell out. After Blackhat security conference is done with, you'll see the truth of the profiteers for what they're worth, a bunch of scum bags who told us a bunch of lies to get what they wanted, MONEY! All the best, n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ I know fd is by essence a non-moderated list. But until when will we have to listen to netdev shit? And also, till when people will answer him causing more and more bullshit? Please people, i know netdev is a pain in the ass. But if we ignore him, he will eventually go away. My regards, -- Giancarlo Razzolini http://lock.razzolini.adm.br Linux User 172199 Red Hat Certified Engineer no:804006389722501 Verify:https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/current/ Moleque Sem Conteudo Numero #002 OpenBSD Stable Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Herom 4386 2A6F FFD4 4D5F 5842 6EA0 7ABE BBAB 9C0E 6B85 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Nominate Dan Kaminsky for Most Overhyped Bug Pwnie Award
On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:58 PM, n3td3v wrote: No wonder your name is Sandy Vagina, you're probably one of the whores getting fucked by one of these researchers on a beach after Blackhat and will be invited back to the yacht for an orgy fest of bullshit, yes these faggots are laughing all the way to the bank and taking us ordinary working class people for a ride by hyping this vulnerability up for more than it is, for the simple fact to be able to afford more champagne and condoms for when the afterparty happens. Someones got to stand up against the profiteering on multiple fronts on the security scene and n3td3v is the one to do it. I can't wait for your podcast, man. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
