Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
I don't think I shall forget, as I watched my coworkers jump to their god from the 110 floor. Anders B Jansson wrote: >And on this day when we remember the 3000 unarmed civilians who died in>the US I just hope that we don't forget the 3 unarmed civilians who>died in Afghanistan shortly after. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
Now take a deep breath and chill out. Noone has contradicted any of your claims, not here, not on wikipedia. The only thing that has been said is that one single individual of the many that reports on those issues has been discovered as a fake. I for one is sure that a lot of what this and what other individuals have reported is true and has happened. But that doesn't mean that everyone who claims to have inside information has. And given that this individual is such an obvious fake using his statements is actually hurting the truth, not helping it. trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was attacking their border to allow army convoys to be deployed in their country, Just had to comment on this one. The trick they used was the known fact that Iraq occupied Kuwait. Which isn't exaclty regarded as a trick, given that it was acknowleged by all parties. But I still think that the US 'liberation' if Iraq is one of the most stupid, and possibly criminal, acts of foreign policy that has occured for many many years. And on this day when we remember the 3000 unarmed civilians who died in the US I just hope that we don't forget the 3 unarmed civilians who died in Afghanistan shortly after. // hdw c0ntex wrote: If you consider that America are able to lie about the weapons of mass destruction and then admit it, use chemical weapons in Iraq and lie about it and then admit it, trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was attacking their border to allow army convoys to be deployed in their country, mishandle Iraqs millions of dollars which seemed to vanish (which is currently under investigation with 3 confirmed arrests), a power company who coincidentally has a top US official on the board of directors win a multi million dollar contract with no competition to do ALL the power restoration work in Iraq. So America own the world with their porkies yet the most powerful country in the world is incapable of influencing 8 or 10 people about a war record which is controlled by the US government, influencing 1 man in charge of the IVAW (which they never actually deny this man was a member), and drop 2 news articles to Americans media to bad name this man then you have been eating too many pancakes and twinkies. On Wikipedia they also discuss the mans "criminal history", what has that got to do with anything other than making the man seem unreliable. If you look at the media on my blog, you will notice many distressing issues, you will actually see innocent people being shot and the soldiers laughing on several occasions - it is not just this one video by this one man. The most well known behind the scenes investigation program "Dispatches", from the UK does numerous documentaries on these issues, as well as the most highly credible news reporters - are they also telling porkies? I hardly think so. There are numerous other people who talk about the terror that has gone on in Iraq, including the use white phosphorous of which is then verified by 2 ex soldiers (US) along with live media footage of the drops, doctor examinations and leaked documents from the US and UK. but like I said, you are all entitled to your own opinions. On 11/09/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --On September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are entitled to your opinion. > Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it? Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
If you consider that America are able to lie about the weapons of mass destruction and then admit it, use chemical weapons in Iraq and lie about it and then admit it, trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was attacking their border to allow army convoys to be deployed in their country, mishandle Iraqs millions of dollars which seemed to vanish (which is currently under investigation with 3 confirmed arrests), a power company who coincidentally has a top US official on the board of directors win a multi million dollar contract with no competition to do ALL the power restoration work in Iraq. So America own the world with their porkies yet the most powerful country in the world is incapable of influencing 8 or 10 people about a war record which is controlled by the US government, influencing 1 man in charge of the IVAW (which they never actually deny this man was a member), and drop 2 news articles to Americans media to bad name this man then you have been eating too many pancakes and twinkies. On Wikipedia they also discuss the mans "criminal history", what has that got to do with anything other than making the man seem unreliable. If you look at the media on my blog, you will notice many distressing issues, you will actually see innocent people being shot and the soldiers laughing on several occasions - it is not just this one video by this one man. The most well known behind the scenes investigation program "Dispatches", from the UK does numerous documentaries on these issues, as well as the most highly credible news reporters - are they also telling porkies? I hardly think so. There are numerous other people who talk about the terror that has gone on in Iraq, including the use white phosphorous of which is then verified by 2 ex soldiers (US) along with live media footage of the drops, doctor examinations and leaked documents from the US and UK. but like I said, you are all entitled to your own opinions. On 11/09/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --On September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are entitled to your opinion. > Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it? Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- regards c0ntex ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Everyone is... but this guy Jesse seems to actually be a fraud. Most of the sites that originally carried the story have pulled it and some http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article13.php?id=261 have issued statements denouncing the use of fraud and misinformation as a means to build opposition to the war. Don't believe everything you see on the Internet. c0ntex wrote: > You are entitled to your opinion. > > On 11/09/06, Philosophil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's >> called circular reasoning. >> >> In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would >> have noticed *huge* discrepancies. >> >> Try here: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth >> >> >> The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was. >> >> His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put >> on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no >> longer used by the military. >> >> His uniform is wildly... well, inconsistent is the best word here. >> >> Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be >> impossible to earn in the time he was active. >> >> Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people >> exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to >> back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible >> source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs >> their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories >> as truth and use that as evidence. Of course when someone points out >> that "evidence" is fraud and fake... Well, at best the person gets >> ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously, >> given the governments track record at keeping things secret... a >> "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best) >> >> Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of >> that position's overall merits. >> >> >> >> >> On 9/11/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > http://noderat.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry >> > >> > >> > On 11/09/06, Philosophil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right? >> > > >> > > On 9/9/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5587990522549547050 >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > > regards >> > > > c0ntex >> > > > >> > > > ___ >> > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > regards >> > c0ntex >> > >> > > - -- Troy Cregger Lead Developer, Technical Products. Kennedy Information, Inc One Phoenix Mill Ln, Fl 3 Peterborough, NH 03458 (603)924-0900 ext 662 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBcjhnBEWLrrYRl8RAvLyAJ4kLqums/oZhhoIumUuIj9CiA8BfACfR55V go2Rd7fz7JCP+j5Z3J8rTFA= =OpAh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
--On September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are entitled to your opinion. Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it? Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ p7sPDlFOMOz5d.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
You are entitled to your opinion. On 11/09/06, Philosophil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's called circular reasoning. In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would have noticed *huge* discrepancies. Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was. His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no longer used by the military. His uniform is wildly... well, inconsistent is the best word here. Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be impossible to earn in the time he was active. Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories as truth and use that as evidence. Of course when someone points out that "evidence" is fraud and fake... Well, at best the person gets ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously, given the governments track record at keeping things secret... a "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best) Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of that position's overall merits. On 9/11/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://noderat.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry > > > On 11/09/06, Philosophil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right? > > > > On 9/9/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5587990522549547050 > > > > > > -- > > > > > > regards > > > c0ntex > > > > > > ___ > > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > > > > -- > > regards > c0ntex > -- regards c0ntex ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people > exhibit these days. You're not the only one. Philosophil wrote: > A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's > called circular reasoning. > > In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would > have noticed *huge* discrepancies. > > Try here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth > > > The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was. > > His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put > on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no > longer used by the military. > > His uniform is wildly... well, inconsistent is the best word here. > > Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be > impossible to earn in the time he was active. > > Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people > exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to > back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible > source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs > their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories > as truth and use that as evidence. Of course when someone points out > that "evidence" is fraud and fake... Well, at best the person gets > ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously, > given the governments track record at keeping things secret... a > "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best) > > Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of > that position's overall merits. > > > > > On 9/11/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://noderat.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry >> >> >> On 11/09/06, Philosophil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right? >> > >> > On 9/9/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5587990522549547050 >> > > >> > > -- >> > > >> > > regards >> > > c0ntex >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> regards >> c0ntex >> > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ - -- Troy Cregger Lead Developer, Technical Products. Kennedy Information, Inc One Phoenix Mill Ln, Fl 3 Peterborough, NH 03458 (603)924-0900 ext 662 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFBYRtnBEWLrrYRl8RAgriAJ91Dw/VpUCPHgep54syyE7bcBpfUACfb+FQ J1NwtfDvYdaKePgdZfzV7t4= =AwcQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
A link to your own blog is not support for your argument. That's called circular reasoning. In addition, if you had bothered to do a little research, you would have noticed *huge* discrepancies. Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth The unit he claimed he was in, was not deployed where he said it was. His flash (patches, unit designations) on his uniform are either put on incorrectly, not used by the division he claims to be in, and/or no longer used by the military. His uniform is wildly... well, inconsistent is the best word here. Some of the awards and citations he claims to have received would be impossible to earn in the time he was active. Really, I am constantly amazed by the lack of critical thinking people exhibit these days. It doesn't take long to find actual citations to back up a position. A loon talking in a video is *not* a credible source. Unfortunately, people want to believe something that backs their own opinions so much that they will take unsubstantiated stories as truth and use that as evidence. Of course when someone points out that "evidence" is fraud and fake... Well, at best the person gets ignored, at worst a tool of the vast neo-con conspiracy. (Seriously, given the governments track record at keeping things secret... a "vast" conspiracy is ridiculous at best) Hoax and fraud does nothing but weaken one's position regardless of that position's overall merits. On 9/11/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://noderat.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!6ADE4614B66EADD2!1321.entry On 11/09/06, Philosophil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh. You do realize this was a hoax, right? > > On 9/9/06, c0ntex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5587990522549547050 > > > > -- > > > > regards > > c0ntex > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > -- regards c0ntex ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt for this
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5587990522549547050 -- regards c0ntex ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
