Re: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion.
Ah! Now we're getting somewhere! You should care because everyone knows the needle in the pump handle is urban legend perpetuated by those who don't want you to know that the needles are really in the seats at movie theaters! See how that works out? If he didn't tell us he didn't care, I wouldn't have told him that I didn't care that he didn't care, in which case you would not be asking why you should care that I don't care that he doesn't care, and I wouldn't have found out that you didn't know about needles in the seats, and subsequently, would not know to now wear an ass-mat when you go to the theaters! This thread could have literally saved your LIFE Marsh! Merry Christmas indeed t > -Original Message- > From: Marsh Ray [mailto:ma...@extendedsubset.com] > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 5:23 PM > To: Thor (Hammer of God) > Cc: a...@moon-station.us; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion. > > > Well you've been on this list longer than I have Thor, I'd've thought you'd > figured it out by now. > > The point is to keep the top-posting email chain as long and as wasteful of > everybody's time as possible! > > It's a game called "meta trolling" and it's just a slightly less creative > version of > "forward the urban legend about the AIDS-infected syringe hidden in gas > pump handle to everyone in my address book". (It's been adapted for > computer types who prefer belonging to mailing lists where they joke about > recursion over having address books full of people they care about dearly.) > > So here goes: > > Why should I care that you don't care that he doesn't care? > > Merry Christmas, > > -Marsh > > On 12/24/2010 01:26 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > > If you don't care, then what makes you think anyone else will care > > that you don't care? Is your intent to tell the list that you don't > > care about the topic? > > > >> -----Original Message- From: > >> full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure- > >> boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of asmo Sent: Thursday, December > >> 23, 2010 5:26 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > >> Subject: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion. > >> > >> reading this whole discussion, did you ever considered if grey user, > >> just like me, will ever care ? if backdooring major *bsd distribution > >> will make a difference whether to choose OpenBSD or something else > >> when it's really no real choice between backdoored or "not" > >> backdoored distro have any matter ? even without such Theo's > >> confesion with his so called private mail that got released to the > >> public.. do i care? sure i do, but i don't have any alternative. > >> > >> i keep using it in hope that it's too serious for my needs. If > >> someone want to invigilate me, i will check if A-Team is somewhere > >> near my house, i would need to have serious reasons to worry. > >> > >> Pretty lame to worry about it, and me - grey user - well, prove or > >> die, can't take such claims seriously if really skilled set of coders > >> can't figure it out whether it's backdoored or not. > >> > >> I don't need such confession to stop using OpenBSD, it serve well for > >> my purposes but i would use nothing that is well known, for critical > >> communication. > >> > >> > >> Some posts are paranoid about it, some IS MUST is annoying but sounds > >> like the person does CARE about it. > >> > >> > >> i don't. at least since it's not proved... sorry for my lame english. > >> > >> marry x-mass eve, stop please. or prove. (even if you do, prove me > >> that the alternative is safe, no? 2bad). > >> > >> ___ Full- > Disclosure - We > >> believe in it. Charter: > >> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and > >> sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ Full- > Disclosure - We > > believe in it. Charter: > > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and > > sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion.
You has not know what theses guys are able to do. There are very very dangerous. Be warned by me Dave. So you hasn't want to open the doors to your system to these men. Anyway here has the way to always use OpenBSD (from a long time ago to me) within 10 rules : 0x01 standalone test machine with no network connection 0x02 OR virtualized guest with no network access 0x03 has in no way mount an ipsec tunnel 0x04 shut off your wifi router and to has sure your dsl like box 0x05 has remove any rj45 cable off in a range of 5 meter from the OBSD machine 0x06 has not watch the boot sequence has all this text moving can has contain malicious content 0x07 has never ever listen to there CD songs, even better listen to scientology CDs 0x08 has start again from 0x01 to make sure that NO NETWORK As the FBI agents set OpenBSD mostly has a router, the coders did probably not bother with other stuff like user interface so you has still able to transfer file with usb key. --- On Fri, 12/24/10, asmo wrote: From: asmo Subject: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion. To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 1:25 AM reading this whole discussion, did you ever considered if grey user, just like me, will ever care ? if backdooring major *bsd distribution will make a difference whether to choose OpenBSD or something else when it's really no real choice between backdoored or "not" backdoored distro have any matter ? even without such Theo's confesion with his so called private mail that got released to the public.. do i care? sure i do, but i don't have any alternative. i keep using it in hope that it's too serious for my needs. If someone want to invigilate me, i will check if A-Team is somewhere near my house, i would need to have serious reasons to worry. Pretty lame to worry about it, and me - grey user - well, prove or die, can't take such claims seriously if really skilled set of coders can't figure it out whether it's backdoored or not. I don't need such confession to stop using OpenBSD, it serve well for my purposes but i would use nothing that is well known, for critical communication. Some posts are paranoid about it, some IS MUST is annoying but sounds like the person does CARE about it. i don't. at least since it's not proved... sorry for my lame english. marry x-mass eve, stop please. or prove. (even if you do, prove me that the alternative is safe, no? 2bad). ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion.
Well you've been on this list longer than I have Thor, I'd've thought you'd figured it out by now. The point is to keep the top-posting email chain as long and as wasteful of everybody's time as possible! It's a game called "meta trolling" and it's just a slightly less creative version of "forward the urban legend about the AIDS-infected syringe hidden in gas pump handle to everyone in my address book". (It's been adapted for computer types who prefer belonging to mailing lists where they joke about recursion over having address books full of people they care about dearly.) So here goes: Why should I care that you don't care that he doesn't care? Merry Christmas, -Marsh On 12/24/2010 01:26 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: > If you don't care, then what makes you think anyone else will care > that you don't care? Is your intent to tell the list that you don't > care about the topic? > >> -Original Message- From: >> full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure- >> boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of asmo Sent: Thursday, >> December 23, 2010 5:26 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk >> Subject: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion. >> >> reading this whole discussion, did you ever considered if grey >> user, just like me, will ever care ? if backdooring major *bsd >> distribution will make a difference whether to choose OpenBSD or >> something else when it's really no real choice between backdoored >> or "not" backdoored distro have any matter ? even without such >> Theo's confesion with his so called private mail that got released >> to the public.. do i care? sure i do, but i don't have any >> alternative. >> >> i keep using it in hope that it's too serious for my needs. If >> someone want to invigilate me, i will check if A-Team is somewhere >> near my house, i would need to have serious reasons to worry. >> >> Pretty lame to worry about it, and me - grey user - well, prove or >> die, can't take such claims seriously if really skilled set of >> coders can't figure it out whether it's backdoored or not. >> >> I don't need such confession to stop using OpenBSD, it serve well >> for my purposes but i would use nothing that is well known, for >> critical communication. >> >> >> Some posts are paranoid about it, some IS MUST is annoying but >> sounds like the person does CARE about it. >> >> >> i don't. at least since it's not proved... sorry for my lame >> english. >> >> marry x-mass eve, stop please. or prove. (even if you do, prove me >> that the alternative is safe, no? 2bad). >> >> ___ Full-Disclosure - >> We believe in it. Charter: >> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and >> sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We > believe in it. Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and > sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion.
If you don't care, then what makes you think anyone else will care that you don't care? Is your intent to tell the list that you don't care about the topic? > -Original Message- > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure- > boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of asmo > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:26 PM > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: [Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion. > > reading this whole discussion, did you ever considered if grey user, just like > me, will ever care ? if backdooring major *bsd distribution will make a > difference whether to choose OpenBSD or something else when it's really no > real choice between backdoored or "not" backdoored distro have any matter > ? even without such Theo's confesion with his so called private mail that got > released to the public.. do i care? sure i do, but i don't have any > alternative. > > i keep using it in hope that it's too serious for my needs. If someone want to > invigilate me, i will check if A-Team is somewhere near my house, i would > need to have serious reasons to worry. > > Pretty lame to worry about it, and me - grey user - well, prove or die, can't > take such claims seriously if really skilled set of coders can't figure it out > whether it's backdoored or not. > > I don't need such confession to stop using OpenBSD, it serve well for my > purposes but i would use nothing that is well known, for critical > communication. > > > Some posts are paranoid about it, some IS MUST is annoying but sounds like > the person does CARE about it. > > > i don't. at least since it's not proved... sorry for my lame english. > > marry x-mass eve, stop please. or prove. (even if you do, prove me that > the alternative is safe, no? 2bad). > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] OpenBSD - grey user's oppinion.
reading this whole discussion, did you ever considered if grey user, just like me, will ever care ? if backdooring major *bsd distribution will make a difference whether to choose OpenBSD or something else when it's really no real choice between backdoored or "not" backdoored distro have any matter ? even without such Theo's confesion with his so called private mail that got released to the public.. do i care? sure i do, but i don't have any alternative. i keep using it in hope that it's too serious for my needs. If someone want to invigilate me, i will check if A-Team is somewhere near my house, i would need to have serious reasons to worry. Pretty lame to worry about it, and me - grey user - well, prove or die, can't take such claims seriously if really skilled set of coders can't figure it out whether it's backdoored or not. I don't need such confession to stop using OpenBSD, it serve well for my purposes but i would use nothing that is well known, for critical communication. Some posts are paranoid about it, some IS MUST is annoying but sounds like the person does CARE about it. i don't. at least since it's not proved... sorry for my lame english. marry x-mass eve, stop please. or prove. (even if you do, prove me that the alternative is safe, no? 2bad). ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
