Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
Am Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 schrieb Martin Allert: Hello Martin, start using filters like: email contains n3td3v => Trash email contains ureleet => Trash and so on... Best wishes. Michael Weinert > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > > > I am not interested in you philosophical and informational warfare on > this mailinglist - information on this war can be easily retrieved > through the Internet. I am sure there are plenty of boards where you can > discuss more ore less objective about the current political situation. > > But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion > board! > > Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. > > Best regards, but annoyed. > > Martin Allert -- SysQuadratSysteme mit Sicherheit Michael Weinert Stuttgart Filderstadt-Plattenhardt Tel.: 0711-9970288 Fax: 5360559 Mobil: 0170-4141273 http://www.linux-firewall.de wein...@sys2.de KeyServer hkp://pgp.mit.edu Disclaimer: Diese E-Mail enthält vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
i know. i know. i know. i care not. i will piss him off as long as he does to me. and i never said anything about his mom. except that he lives in her basement. which is apparently true. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Freeman Y. wrote: > Ureleet wrote: >> >> u r a douche. leave with ur gayness. >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Martin Allert wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, >>> >>> >>> I am not interested in you philosophical and informational warfare on >>> this mailinglist - information on this war can be easily retrieved >>> through the Internet. I am sure there are plenty of boards where you can >>> discuss more ore less objective about the current political situation. >>> >>> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion >>> board! >>> >>> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years >>> ago. >>> >>> Best regards, but annoyed. >>> >>> Martin Allert >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright >>> >>> -- >>> arago AG, Institut fuer komplexes Datenmanagement >>> Eschersheimer Ldstr. 526-532, 60433 Frankfurt/Main, all...@arago.de, >>> Tel. 069/405680, Fax 069/40568111, http://www.arago.de >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Bankverbindung: Frankfurter Sparkasse, BLZ: 500 502 01, Kto.-Nr.: 79 343 >>> Vorstand: Hans-Christian Boos, Martin Friedrich · Vorsitzender des >>> Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Bernhard Walther >>> Sitz: Kronberg im Taunus · HRB 5731 · Registergericht: Königsstein im >>> Taunus, Ust.Idnr. DE 178572359 · Steuernummer 2603 003 228 43435 >>> >>> >>> -- Bitte schonen Sie unsere Umwelt. Muessen Sie diese Email wirklich >>> ausdrucken? >>> >>> ___ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> > > Ureleet: > God damn you freaking moron. You're making yourself as low as n3td3v. Shut > the FUCK up for god's sake and gtfo off the list if you're not contributing > anything security related (which I suppose you never will because you're > just into the drama. Were you a drama queen in high school too? If you > graduated, I mean.) > Before you come up with some fucking dumbshit 12-year-old reply such as > 'LOLZ ur gay well i fuked ur mom lolol' maybe you'd like to know I've > already added you to my spam list as well. Congrats, you've stooped to the > same level as n3td3v. > Please, go read the definition of 'Don't feed the trolls'. > > Regards, > URMOM LOL!!1 (Thats sarcasm for those with an IQ that isn't a double digit.) > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
"you're not contributing anything security related" Are you doing that stuff on your side ? you're feeding the troll right now dude. 2009/1/9 Freeman Y. > Ureleet wrote: > > u r a douche. leave with ur gayness. > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Martin Allert wrote: > > > >> Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > >> > >> > >> I am not interested in you philosophical and informational warfare on > >> this mailinglist - information on this war can be easily retrieved > >> through the Internet. I am sure there are plenty of boards where you can > >> discuss more ore less objective about the current political situation. > >> > >> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion > board! > >> > >> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years > ago. > >> > >> Best regards, but annoyed. > >> > >> Martin Allert > >> > >> -- > >> > >> "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright > >> > >> -- > >> arago AG, Institut fuer komplexes Datenmanagement > >> Eschersheimer Ldstr. 526-532, 60433 Frankfurt/Main, all...@arago.de, > >> Tel. 069/405680, Fax 069/40568111, http://www.arago.de > >> -- > >> > >> > >> Bankverbindung: Frankfurter Sparkasse, BLZ: 500 502 01, Kto.-Nr.: 79 343 > >> Vorstand: Hans-Christian Boos, Martin Friedrich · Vorsitzender des > >> Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Bernhard Walther > >> Sitz: Kronberg im Taunus · HRB 5731 · Registergericht: Königsstein im > >> Taunus, Ust.Idnr. DE 178572359 · Steuernummer 2603 003 228 43435 > >> > >> > >> -- Bitte schonen Sie unsere Umwelt. Muessen Sie diese Email wirklich > ausdrucken? > >> > >> ___ > >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > Ureleet: > God damn you freaking moron. You're making yourself as low as n3td3v. > Shut the FUCK up for god's sake and gtfo off the list if you're not > contributing anything security related (which I suppose you never will > because you're just into the drama. Were you a drama queen in high > school too? If you graduated, I mean.) > Before you come up with some fucking dumbshit 12-year-old reply such as > 'LOLZ ur gay well i fuked ur mom lolol' maybe you'd like to know I've > already added you to my spam list as well. Congrats, you've stooped to > the same level as n3td3v. > Please, go read the definition of 'Don't feed the trolls'. > > Regards, > URMOM LOL!!1 (Thats sarcasm for those with an IQ that isn't a double > digit.) > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
Ureleet wrote: > u r a douche. leave with ur gayness. > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Martin Allert wrote: > >> Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, >> >> >> I am not interested in you philosophical and informational warfare on >> this mailinglist - information on this war can be easily retrieved >> through the Internet. I am sure there are plenty of boards where you can >> discuss more ore less objective about the current political situation. >> >> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion >> board! >> >> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. >> >> Best regards, but annoyed. >> >> Martin Allert >> >> -- >> >> "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright >> >> -- >> arago AG, Institut fuer komplexes Datenmanagement >> Eschersheimer Ldstr. 526-532, 60433 Frankfurt/Main, all...@arago.de, >> Tel. 069/405680, Fax 069/40568111, http://www.arago.de >> -- >> >> >> Bankverbindung: Frankfurter Sparkasse, BLZ: 500 502 01, Kto.-Nr.: 79 343 >> Vorstand: Hans-Christian Boos, Martin Friedrich · Vorsitzender des >> Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Bernhard Walther >> Sitz: Kronberg im Taunus · HRB 5731 · Registergericht: Königsstein im >> Taunus, Ust.Idnr. DE 178572359 · Steuernummer 2603 003 228 43435 >> >> >> -- Bitte schonen Sie unsere Umwelt. Muessen Sie diese Email wirklich >> ausdrucken? >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > Ureleet: God damn you freaking moron. You're making yourself as low as n3td3v. Shut the FUCK up for god's sake and gtfo off the list if you're not contributing anything security related (which I suppose you never will because you're just into the drama. Were you a drama queen in high school too? If you graduated, I mean.) Before you come up with some fucking dumbshit 12-year-old reply such as 'LOLZ ur gay well i fuked ur mom lolol' maybe you'd like to know I've already added you to my spam list as well. Congrats, you've stooped to the same level as n3td3v. Please, go read the definition of 'Don't feed the trolls'. Regards, URMOM LOL!!1 (Thats sarcasm for those with an IQ that isn't a double digit.) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
iow. n3td3v, we h8 u. diaf. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > N3tcr4p, answer theses simple question: > In what do you think your presence is valuable on this mailing-list ? > In how you think you contribute to this list unless copy/pasting news around > ? > Then why the fuck you still here junkhead ? > 2009/1/9 n3td3v >> >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sysprobe wrote: >> > Martin Allert wrote: >> >> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a >> >> discussion board! >> >> >> >> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years >> >> ago. >> >> >> >> >> > This hasn't been a security list for quite some time. If you filter out >> > all the garbage, ain't much left. >> >> I suggest we all raise up against Ureleet so the list can return to >> normal. >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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bullshit! On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:56 PM, n3td3v wrote: > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Prototype This wrote: >> yes but at least he dont speak about everything like he is a pro. > > I wasn't aware I do that > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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i dont need 2. i talk about u. seems to be enuff 4 u. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:42 PM, n3td3v wrote: > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Prototype This wrote: >> Ureleet is not the problem. > > He never talks about security. > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
++ On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > I guess there's lot's of things you're not aware of.as computer > security. > You dream of some MI5 jobs ? > I'm pretty sure they're laughting at it loudly while drinking 17h->19h. > > > 2009/1/9 n3td3v >> >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Prototype This >> wrote: >> > yes but at least he dont speak about everything like he is a pro. >> >> I wasn't aware I do that >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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youd love that. except almost every1 agrees w/ me. not u. tool. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:27 PM, n3td3v wrote: > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sysprobe wrote: >> Martin Allert wrote: >>> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion >>> board! >>> >>> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. >>> >>> >> This hasn't been a security list for quite some time. If you filter out >> all the garbage, ain't much left. > > I suggest we all raise up against Ureleet so the list can return to normal. > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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I guess there's lot's of things you're not aware of.as computer security. You dream of some MI5 jobs ? I'm pretty sure they're laughting at it loudly while drinking 17h->19h. 2009/1/9 n3td3v > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Prototype This > wrote: > > yes but at least he dont speak about everything like he is a pro. > > I wasn't aware I do that > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Prototype This wrote: > yes but at least he dont speak about everything like he is a pro. I wasn't aware I do that ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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yes but at least he dont speak about everything like he is a pro. And dont paste news all the day long from some stupid reporters that make a simple problem look like the end of the world. remember the DNS problem ? The article you posted look like he is speaking about the end of the Era of internet. 2009/1/9 n3td3v : > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Prototype This wrote: >> Ureleet is not the problem. > > He never talks about security. > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Prototype This wrote: > Ureleet is not the problem. He never talks about security. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
N3tcr4p, answer theses simple question:In what do you think your presence is valuable on this mailing-list ? In how you think you contribute to this list unless copy/pasting news around ? Then why the fuck you still here junkhead ? 2009/1/9 n3td3v > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sysprobe wrote: > > Martin Allert wrote: > >> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion > board! > >> > >> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years > ago. > >> > >> > > This hasn't been a security list for quite some time. If you filter out > > all the garbage, ain't much left. > > I suggest we all raise up against Ureleet so the list can return to normal. > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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We dont want you. Ureleet is not the problem. You irritate the Deaths in their grave . So no wonder the alive get a headache. Get a life man . Go play Super Mario bros in your Snes. Computers are not for you. Dont pressure yourself . Your tiny brain will not be able to understand anything. 2009/1/9 n3td3v : > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sysprobe wrote: >> Martin Allert wrote: >>> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion >>> board! >>> >>> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. >>> >>> >> This hasn't been a security list for quite some time. If you filter out >> all the garbage, ain't much left. > > I suggest we all raise up against Ureleet so the list can return to normal. > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sysprobe wrote: > Martin Allert wrote: >> But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion >> board! >> >> Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. >> >> > This hasn't been a security list for quite some time. If you filter out > all the garbage, ain't much left. I suggest we all raise up against Ureleet so the list can return to normal. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
Martin Allert wrote: > But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion > board! > > Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. > > This hasn't been a security list for quite some time. If you filter out all the garbage, ain't much left. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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u r a douche. leave with ur gayness. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Martin Allert wrote: > > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > > > I am not interested in you philosophical and informational warfare on > this mailinglist - information on this war can be easily retrieved > through the Internet. I am sure there are plenty of boards where you can > discuss more ore less objective about the current political situation. > > But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion > board! > > Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. > > Best regards, but annoyed. > > Martin Allert > > -- > > "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright > > -- > arago AG, Institut fuer komplexes Datenmanagement > Eschersheimer Ldstr. 526-532, 60433 Frankfurt/Main, all...@arago.de, > Tel. 069/405680, Fax 069/40568111, http://www.arago.de > -- > > > Bankverbindung: Frankfurter Sparkasse, BLZ: 500 502 01, Kto.-Nr.: 79 343 > Vorstand: Hans-Christian Boos, Martin Friedrich · Vorsitzender des > Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Bernhard Walther > Sitz: Kronberg im Taunus · HRB 5731 · Registergericht: Königsstein im > Taunus, Ust.Idnr. DE 178572359 · Steuernummer 2603 003 228 43435 > > > -- Bitte schonen Sie unsere Umwelt. Muessen Sie diese Email wirklich > ausdrucken? > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Dear Martin, Fuck off. Best regards, anonymouspimp -- lots of bullshit that no non-self-conceited individual would put as a signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Please STOP this THREAD!
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am not interested in you philosophical and informational warfare on this mailinglist - information on this war can be easily retrieved through the Internet. I am sure there are plenty of boards where you can discuss more ore less objective about the current political situation. But for heavens sake - this is a SECURITY mailing list, not a discussion board! Please STOP this! Or this mailinglist will end like bugtraq some years ago. Best regards, but annoyed. Martin Allert -- "Black holes are where God divided by zero." -- Steven Wright -- arago AG, Institut fuer komplexes Datenmanagement Eschersheimer Ldstr. 526-532, 60433 Frankfurt/Main, all...@arago.de, Tel. 069/405680, Fax 069/40568111, http://www.arago.de -- Bankverbindung: Frankfurter Sparkasse, BLZ: 500 502 01, Kto.-Nr.: 79 343 Vorstand: Hans-Christian Boos, Martin Friedrich · Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dr. Bernhard Walther Sitz: Kronberg im Taunus · HRB 5731 · Registergericht: Königsstein im Taunus, Ust.Idnr. DE 178572359 · Steuernummer 2603 003 228 43435 -- Bitte schonen Sie unsere Umwelt. Muessen Sie diese Email wirklich ausdrucken? pgp4CXJLl43LG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/