[Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
I'm a high school network administration teacher looking for a creative means of teaching my students the importance of patch management. I was hoping to let a particularly nasty worm loose on a closed lab so my students could see what happens during an outbreak, but I'm running into a hitch - I can't find a worm that would spread quickly enough to be useful. Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. Please do not reply on list as I am not currently a member. Thank you, Chris ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
Chris - I don't know what to make of your please reply off-list; I'm not a member comment. It's almost as ridiculous as what you are requesting. If I take your question at face value, you are an INSTRUCTOR, not an Admin. That means you probably teach an A+ class, maybe an abbreviated CCNA program. You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS WHATSOEVER even THINKING about turning loose a dangerous piece of Malware in someone else's network. And it IS someone else's network; specifically it belongs to the district. Speak as a network engineer for a large midwestern schooldistrict, if you did that in MY network, I'd have your job. GOD HELP YOU if it turns out that you actually ARE a teacher in my district. I don't recognize the name, but you can bet your ass that every time we have an infection in one of our schools from now until the stars burn out; that I'll be making a point of asking who the computer teachers are in that building. You want to teach these kids a lesson? Write it on the blackboard. We have enough work to do just keeping up with the kids, without an alleged professional turning loose a worm in our network. = I'm a high school network administration teacher looking for a creative means of teaching my students the importance of patch management. I was hoping to let a particularly nasty worm loose on a closed lab so my students could see what happens during an outbreak, but I'm running into a hitch - I can't find a worm that would spread quickly enough to be useful. Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. Please do not reply on list as I am not currently a member. Thank you, Chris mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. You're kidding, right? .. just take a fresh install of Win2K and hook it to the Internet. Go get coffee. Come back in ~15min. Boot to BartPE (or Knoppix, etc) and look for anything new in %systemroot%. You'll probably have more than one. It'll be a binary though, probably packed/encrypted 3+ times (and that's annoying, but not impossible, to reverse-engineer). The source code for all the [SD|RX|AGO]bot variants is easily found on the web. Recompile in Visual Basic, pack with UPX (or whatever) and off you go. To prison that is... Meanwhile .. a quick look at your email : Received: from blueberry ( [69.3.80.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i20sm9690041wxd.2006.11.26.14.32.22; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: kikazz [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggests that you aren't a teacher at all .. network:IP-Network-Block:69.3.80.88 - 69.3.80.95 network:Org-Name:Compu' Counts Consulting Inc. network:Street-Address:6174 Darleon Place network:City:ALEXANDRIA network:State:VA network:Postal-Code:22310 sigh .. another consultant that is trying to get other folks to do his dirty work... Cheers, Michael Holstein CISSP GCIA Information Security Administrator Cleveland State University ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
What am I Consultant? School Teacher? Terrorist? On 11/27/06, K F (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude... settle the hell down. I see little problem with this guy doing this on a closed LAN in a lab setting. What part of CLOSED LAB did you miss? Its not like he is intentionally letting it loose on the entire school LAN. -KF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I don't know what to make of your please reply off-list; I'm not a member comment. It's almost as ridiculous as what you are requesting. If I take your question at face value, you are an INSTRUCTOR, not an Admin. That means you probably teach an A+ class, maybe an abbreviated CCNA program. You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS WHATSOEVER even THINKING about turning loose a dangerous piece of Malware in someone else's network. And it IS someone else's network; specifically it belongs to the district. Speak as a network engineer for a large midwestern schooldistrict, if you did that in MY network, I'd have your job. GOD HELP YOU if it turns out that you actually ARE a teacher in my district. I don't recognize the name, but you can bet your ass that every time we have an infection in one of our schools from now until the stars burn out; that I'll be making a point of asking who the computer teachers are in that building. You want to teach these kids a lesson? Write it on the blackboard. We have enough work to do just keeping up with the kids, without an alleged professional turning loose a worm in our network. = I'm a high school network administration teacher looking for a creative means of teaching my students the importance of patch management. I was hoping to let a particularly nasty worm loose on a closed lab so my students could see what happens during an outbreak, but I'm running into a hitch - I can't find a worm that would spread quickly enough to be useful. Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. Please do not reply on list as I am not currently a member. Thank you, Chris mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
a douchebag? I dunno but why the hell aren't your boxes patched to Sasser yet? -KF deep fried wrote: What am I Consultant? School Teacher? Terrorist? On 11/27/06, *K F (lists)* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude... settle the hell down. I see little problem with this guy doing this on a closed LAN in a lab setting. What part of CLOSED LAB did you miss? Its not like he is intentionally letting it loose on the entire school LAN. -KF [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I don't know what to make of your please reply off-list; I'm not a member comment. It's almost as ridiculous as what you are requesting. If I take your question at face value, you are an INSTRUCTOR, not an Admin. That means you probably teach an A+ class, maybe an abbreviated CCNA program. You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS WHATSOEVER even THINKING about turning loose a dangerous piece of Malware in someone else's network. And it IS someone else's network; specifically it belongs to the district. Speak as a network engineer for a large midwestern schooldistrict, if you did that in MY network, I'd have your job. GOD HELP YOU if it turns out that you actually ARE a teacher in my district. I don't recognize the name, but you can bet your ass that every time we have an infection in one of our schools from now until the stars burn out; that I'll be making a point of asking who the computer teachers are in that building. You want to teach these kids a lesson? Write it on the blackboard. We have enough work to do just keeping up with the kids, without an alleged professional turning loose a worm in our network. = I'm a high school network administration teacher looking for a creative means of teaching my students the importance of patch management. I was hoping to let a particularly nasty worm loose on a closed lab so my students could see what happens during an outbreak, but I'm running into a hitch - I can't find a worm that would spread quickly enough to be useful. Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. Please do not reply on list as I am not currently a member. Thank you, Chris mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:36:39 EST, K F (lists) said: Dude... settle the hell down. I see little problem with this guy doing this on a closed LAN in a lab setting. What part of CLOSED LAB did you miss? Its not like he is intentionally letting it loose on the entire school LAN. You would have us believe that the guy is clued enough to run a closed lab without screwing up (and there's *lots* of ways to screw up, starting with forgetting to wipe the drives afterwards, forgetting to disable a wireless card, forgetting to not plug any of the boxes into the normal net, forgetting to...). And yet he's not clued enough to know how to find a copy of Sasser by himself. There are a lot of people who are of the opinion that if you have to ask where to find a copy of Sasser, you're not clued enough to be trusted with a copy. pgpw76PA4Q4Wi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On 11/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet he's not clued enough to know how to find a copy of Sasser by himself. There are a lot of people who are of the opinion that if you have to ask where to find a copy of Sasser, you're not clued enough to be trusted with a copy. yeah I agree, whoever posted/ started this orginal thread was on gmail and is not clued in enough to take a quick left glance at the adsense frame and s/eh will get tonnes of bait from google :)- go figure.. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
Well if it's an air gapped network then there's no way to get patches unless you carry them over on a disk. When I taught a class at a local university we did a similar experiment on an unpatched air gapped network. On 11/27/06, K F (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a douchebag? I dunno but why the hell aren't your boxes patched to Sasser yet? -KF deep fried wrote: What am I Consultant? School Teacher? Terrorist? On 11/27/06, *K F (lists)* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude... settle the hell down. I see little problem with this guy doing this on a closed LAN in a lab setting. What part of CLOSED LAB did you miss? Its not like he is intentionally letting it loose on the entire school LAN. -KF [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I don't know what to make of your please reply off-list; I'm not a member comment. It's almost as ridiculous as what you are requesting. If I take your question at face value, you are an INSTRUCTOR, not an Admin. That means you probably teach an A+ class, maybe an abbreviated CCNA program. You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS WHATSOEVER even THINKING about turning loose a dangerous piece of Malware in someone else's network. And it IS someone else's network; specifically it belongs to the district. Speak as a network engineer for a large midwestern schooldistrict, if you did that in MY network, I'd have your job. GOD HELP YOU if it turns out that you actually ARE a teacher in my district. I don't recognize the name, but you can bet your ass that every time we have an infection in one of our schools from now until the stars burn out; that I'll be making a point of asking who the computer teachers are in that building. You want to teach these kids a lesson? Write it on the blackboard. We have enough work to do just keeping up with the kids, without an alleged professional turning loose a worm in our network. = I'm a high school network administration teacher looking for a creative means of teaching my students the importance of patch management. I was hoping to let a particularly nasty worm loose on a closed lab so my students could see what happens during an outbreak, but I'm running into a hitch - I can't find a worm that would spread quickly enough to be useful. Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. Please do not reply on list as I am not currently a member. Thank you, Chris mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:31:04 CST, Octal said: Well if it's an air gapped network then there's no way to get patches unless you carry them over on a disk. When I taught a class at a local university we did a similar experiment on an unpatched air gapped network. I've seen this done lots of times. Amazing how often people forget to wipe the disks after delivering the patches... ;) pgpAOxm0JTNZc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:16:31 EST, Rick said: On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would have us believe that the guy is clued enough to run a closed lab without screwing up (and there's *lots* of ways to screw up, starting with forgetting to wipe the drives afterwards, forgetting to disable a wireless card, forgetting to not plug any of the boxes into the normal net, forgetting to...). so when you go to mcdonalds and hand over your $5 for your MCbig meal, do you consider the repercussions of supporting an industry which pays low wages, is under-staffed, and promotes world-hunger by using enough grain to feed a continent, etc...? WTF does that have to do with the topic? Unless you want to make the point that often, the McDonald's staff fails to use a level of food-preparation hygiene that matches the computer-security hygiene requirements to work with known malware? The average McDonald's doesn't have biohazard signs (whether they should is a different rant) - and even the average doctor's office that *does* have biohazard signs for used hypodermic needles and the like usually has special training/procedures for dealing with the stuff. And labs that do active research on biohazards have even stricter protocols. (Make note, there *have* been screw-ups in the protocols at places that handle stuff like Ebola and smallpox - Preston's The Hot Zone has a nice story of a dead monkey with nothing but a plastic garbage bag keeping the nasties in, and a few years ago, there was a small to-do in one of the labs in England that had some smallpox...) And yet he's not clued enough to know how to find a copy of Sasser by himself. so what? do *you* know where to find a copy? Yes. did you always? Yes. have you always been able to configure a network to talk via EIGRP? No, because when I first got on the net, RFC1058 was still 4 years in the future. So it wasn't always possible, because the option didn't always exist. There are a lot of people who are of the opinion that if you have to ask where to find a copy of Sasser, you're not clued enough to be trusted with a copy. perhaps the next time you need a doctor, the one you find will laugh at you with the same sense of elitism you demonstrate. Did I say I was one of the lot of people? Did you notice that I was replying *in the context of KF's comments* saying It's cool because it's in a closed lab? pgpcvyXkmDcml.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would have us believe that the guy is clued enough to run a closed lab without screwing up (and there's *lots* of ways to screw up, starting with forgetting to wipe the drives afterwards, forgetting to disable a wireless card, forgetting to not plug any of the boxes into the normal net, forgetting to...). so when you go to mcdonalds and hand over your $5 for your MCbig meal, do you consider the repercussions of supporting an industry which pays low wages, is under-staffed, and promotes world-hunger by using enough grain to feed a continent, etc...? And yet he's not clued enough to know how to find a copy of Sasser by himself. so what? do *you* know where to find a copy? did you always? have you always been able to configure a network to talk via EIGRP? There are a lot of people who are of the opinion that if you have to ask where to find a copy of Sasser, you're not clued enough to be trusted with a copy. perhaps the next time you need a doctor, the one you find will laugh at you with the same sense of elitism you demonstrate. Rick ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
I doubt schools have CLOSED LAB. I would like to know where the budget comes from, for this type of network. If so , then every school district board needs one.. :)- On 11/27/06, K F (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude... settle the hell down. I see little problem with this guy doing this on a closed LAN in a lab setting. What part of CLOSED LAB did you miss? Its not like he is intentionally letting it loose on the entire school LAN. -KF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris - I don't know what to make of your please reply off-list; I'm not a member comment. It's almost as ridiculous as what you are requesting. If I take your question at face value, you are an INSTRUCTOR, not an Admin. That means you probably teach an A+ class, maybe an abbreviated CCNA program. You have NO FUCKING BUSINESS WHATSOEVER even THINKING about turning loose a dangerous piece of Malware in someone else's network. And it IS someone else's network; specifically it belongs to the district. Speak as a network engineer for a large midwestern schooldistrict, if you did that in MY network, I'd have your job. GOD HELP YOU if it turns out that you actually ARE a teacher in my district. I don't recognize the name, but you can bet your ass that every time we have an infection in one of our schools from now until the stars burn out; that I'll be making a point of asking who the computer teachers are in that building. You want to teach these kids a lesson? Write it on the blackboard. We have enough work to do just keeping up with the kids, without an alleged professional turning loose a worm in our network. = I'm a high school network administration teacher looking for a creative means of teaching my students the importance of patch management. I was hoping to let a particularly nasty worm loose on a closed lab so my students could see what happens during an outbreak, but I'm running into a hitch - I can't find a worm that would spread quickly enough to be useful. Does anyone have a copy of Sasser or a similar worm that they would be willing to send or link me to? Please contact me off-list. I would be happy to verify my identity as a high school teacher off-list as I'm sure that is a concern for most anyone who has what I am looking for. Please do not reply on list as I am not currently a member. Thank you, Chris mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Peter Dawson wrote: I doubt schools have CLOSED LAB. I would like to know where the budget comes from, for this type of network. If so , then every school district board needs one.. :)- some do. schools partnered with, or using the curriculum of the Center for System Security and Information Assurance (www.cssia.org) come to mind. i'm sure there are others. Rick ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so when you go to mcdonalds and hand over your $5 for your MCbig meal, do you consider the repercussions of supporting an industry which pays low wages, is under-staffed, and promotes world-hunger by using enough grain to feed a continent, etc...? WTF does that have to do with the topic? Unless you want to make the point that often, the McDonald's staff fails to use a level of food-preparation hygiene that matches the computer-security hygiene requirements to work with known malware? it seemed to me that you were arguing a reason for not distributing the binary was the guy is (not) clued enough to run a 'closed lab' without screwing up... making this a 'we shouldn't support this because we do not know this person is responsible' approach. so the context of my statement relates to consistency of accountability. do *you* know where to find a copy? Yes. did you always? Yes. i'm sorry, but i have a hard time believing this. have you always been able to configure a network to talk via EIGRP? No, because when I first got on the net, RFC1058 was still 4 years in the future. So it wasn't always possible, because the option didn't always exist. and once it did there was a point in time in which you learned. you learned because you had access to information. somone else provided this information. There are a lot of people who are of the opinion that if you have to ask where to find a copy of Sasser, you're not clued enough to be trusted with a copy. perhaps the next time you need a doctor, the one you find will laugh at you with the same sense of elitism you demonstrate. Did I say I was one of the lot of people? Did you notice that I was replying *in the context of KF's comments* saying It's cool because it's in a closed lab? i must've missed that part. i jumped into this because i was once a student at university who benefited from this type of 'closed lab learning environment.' you are absolutely correct that something could go wrong, but fear of failure ought not keep one from trying. i'm reminded of Roosevelt's saying: It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat. cheers, Rick ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Sasser or other nasty worm needed
Yeah, old computers at schools are often given away for recycling. On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 10:42:14PM -0500, Matthew Flaschen wrote: What budget? Every school that would have a networking class also has obsolete computers. Take a dozen, reformat them, put on an unpatched version of Windows, pull out or disable wifi, and connect them all to a switch (also probably available second-hand). Ensure neither computers nor switch are connected to any other network. Sure, you have to be sure not to f* it up, but it doesn't cost anything. Set-up sasser on one by moving it off a CD-R. Wait. :) This should cost little or nothing. Matt Flaschen Peter Dawson wrote: I doubt schools have CLOSED LAB. I would like to know where the budget comes from, for this type of network. If so , then every school district board needs one.. :)- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- ___ | .__ .___ .___| | | |__ __| _/__| _/___ | |_/ ___\| | \_/ __ \ / __ |/ __ |/ __ \_ __ \| |\ \___| Y \ ___// /_/ / /_/ \ ___/| | \/| | \___ ___| /\___ \ |\___ __| | |\/ \/ \/ \/\/\/| | | |http://chedder.hacked.in | | cheesebox.terroristorganization.info | |___| You don't exist. Go away ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
