Re: [Full-disclosure] The new 'cyber politica' mailing list thats planned for the non-technical elite
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The new 'cyber politica' mailing list thats planned for the non-technical elite
Hi, my comment wasn't meant to flame you. I was basically trying to say that if you used your email for sensitive stuff, and it had been compromised, the intruder finding out your IP address is the least of your worries. I'm sorry if it was interpreted as a flame. Anyway, I like the idea of a non-technical mailing list. I'd be sure to sign up :) On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:02 PM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:47:55 BST, AaRoNg11 said: If the job was that sensitive of a job, do you really think they'd be using gmail to send important information? Remember - n3td3v is in the British Isles, where clusterfuck IT is rampant in the government sector. You know, like Let's lose the financial details of *EVERY SINGLE FRIKKING FAMILY IN THE COUNTRY on an UNENCRYPTED DISK. Oh, why was the disk unencrypted? Because the policy on how to securely transfer the data was deemed so sensitive that it was only accessible to upper management - the people *doing* the work didn't have access to the policy of how to do it right. Maybe we can take this over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever name he gives the new mailing list when John Cartwright finally gets the finger out. We need a non-technical, unbiased, unmoderated version of full-disclosure where people can post rants, raves, speeches, ideas, views, opinons, news items, the dirty on employees, gossip, security conferences, or other intelligence thats non-technical. A place where people like n3td3v don't get made to feel bad for posting their views on whats going on in the security community. There seems to be a feeling that anyone who is non-technical is unwelcome on full-disclosure and end up getting written about on securityfocus by robert lemos and made to feel a bad person. :( This is unfair, in the bigger scope of things, there just isn't anywhere to go to post non-technical stuff thats unmoderated. So instead of being nasty to n3td3v and writing about him on securityfocus and declaring a hunt for n3td3v, let's just create a new mailing list where people like me won't get made uncomfortable for posting. The bottom line is, there is no non-technical, unbiased, unmoderated version of full-disclosure and there should be one. We need a cyber political mailing list, where anything goes, right now it just seems that people don't really want n3td3v around, but thats not because n3td3v has done something wrong, its just because there is no where else suitable to post about cyber politics thats non-technical, unbiased, unmoderated. I don't like posting to full-disclosure if I feel unwelcome, but I don't want to be muzzled, I want John Cartwright to setup a new mailing list for the non-technical issues. This is my proposal im putting forward, so let's talk about it. I say 'cyber-politica' is a decent name for it we can have. Although im concerned the 'cyber' might go out of fashion over the years, so if you have cyber in the name it might get outdated. I think the new mailing list will be perfect for me and gadi types, then we won't be annoying the list anymore about what we think of everyone and cyber security. I think full-disclosure has had enough of opinionated people like me and gadi who chime in when we feel like it, it appears to upset the full-disclosure crowd, so a new mailing list would be brilliant for the non-technical crowd who still want to chime in when we're not happy about something. When people like me and gadi types post our opinionated views about people and cyber security, folks don't always reply and give their views, because they think the mailing list isn't supposed to be about the non-technical subject, so are reluctant to get involved incase it increases the 'noise'. What's needed is a non-technical mailing list where the non-technical elite can hang out. US-CERT.gov website already have technical and non-technical sections, so why can't full-disclosure be split in two? Its obvious me and gadi are not welcome on the current format full-disclosure, so we need a new mailing list for the non-technical elite. I was very upset to be bashed by robert lemos and his friends via news articles and blogs, so now its time for a place we can go and not upset people anymore. It was never my intention to upset folks but thats what seems to have happened. They seem to think the full-disclosure list is being destroyed by the non-technical elite. So why not give the non-technical elite a mailing list of their own, so people won't get upset because we post an email that hasn't got a vulnerability or exploit in it. We should leave the full-disclosure list for technical users, and the non-technical users have their own mailing list to post on, then nobody can be accused
Re: [Full-disclosure] The new 'cyber politica' mailing list thats planned for the non-technical elite
It refers to neither. I'm sorry, i'm new to this list so I assumed that n3td3v's post was serious. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Razi Shaban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron, there's something you don't seem to get here. n3td3v is a troll. I'm hoping that eleven refers to your college graduation year and not your high school graduation; if it's the first you might know what a troll is. If not, look it up. -- Razi -- Aaron Goulden ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The new 'cyber politica' mailing list thats planned for the non-technical elite
It is serious, like most of my posts. I'm not a troll, maybe gobbles was, but im not related to him. robert lemos just wrote bullshit to flame me trying to say I was gobbles. I hadn't even known anything about him (gobbles) until after I started posting to the list. It just seems to be a coincidence that gobbles left the list and then n3td3v appeared. we're not connected in any shape or form. I originally came on the list to talk about yahoo and a certain employee who works there who backstabbed me and my friends, by giving me intelligence about the inner workings of yahoo to me in return for intelligence about hackers in the yahoo scene at the time. He used this information to get a job as a yahoo messenger security engineer. He now works as a senior yahoo software engineer, and for years i've complained to yahoo about him, but yahoo can't take action without conclusive evidence, even though there is plenty of suggestive evidence. He is probably still feeding out information to hackers in exchange for information about yahoo hackers, and he could possibly be coding backdoors into yahoo software for the intelligence services in a covert operation which yahoo officials don't know about. And, some members of the yahoo security team are also part of it, and are stopping the claim about the employee getting passed to the management of yahoo who would investigate the employee more seriously. For years ive sent info to the yahoo security team about this individual, but they don't communicate back if the intelligence is being taken seriously or if they just trash what I say. The employee in question was originally part of the yahoo hacker scene, he got head hunted through another employee and fast tracked into the company as and when it was obvious yahoo was becoming a multi-nation corporation. He told me none of his other co-workers knew he got fast tracked into yahoo, and that its a secret how he got in. He has used 'intelligence' methods to get higher and higher into the corporation, exchanging intelligence about yahoo for intelligence about yahoo hackers. He was originally in the military in france then for some mysterious reason he dropped everything, moved to U.S and began working in yahoo. Ain't most intelligence officers have military background to begin with? There are tons of suggestive evidence about him, but nothing thats conclusive that can oust him from the company. All the best, n3td3v On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:58 PM, AaRoNg11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It refers to neither. I'm sorry, i'm new to this list so I assumed that n3td3v's post was serious. On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Razi Shaban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron, there's something you don't seem to get here. n3td3v is a troll. I'm hoping that eleven refers to your college graduation year and not your high school graduation; if it's the first you might know what a troll is. If not, look it up. -- Razi -- Aaron Goulden ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The new 'cyber politica' mailing list thats planned for the non-technical elite
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM, anonymous pimp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you already have your own mailing list? Go there. It has to be a mailing list run by someone who is neutral to everything thats going on, you can't have an official central list for the internet for non-technical cyber politics be called 'n3td3v - google groups' because its biased towards one particular person etc. The same reason that Funsec doesn't work either, because its biased towards gadi, his agenda, friends, the professional scene etc. It would need to be a mailing list setup by John Cartwright who doesn't favour any particular person, a certain professional peer group or view, etc etc. Its got to be a non-technical cyber politics mailing list thats unmoderated, neutral, central, and unbiased in its management. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The new 'cyber politica' mailing list thats planned for the non-technical elite
n3td3v wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM, anonymous pimp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you already have your own mailing list? Go there. Being bored I browsed my Junk folder before I trashed it and I found this gem of coherent thinking. It has to be a mailing list run by someone who is neutral to everything thats going on, you can't have an official central list for the internet for non-technical cyber politics be called 'n3td3v - google groups' because its biased towards one particular person etc. You could just set up a mailing list that didn't include your handle. It's not required that it do you know. Its got to be a non-technical cyber politics mailing list thats unmoderated, neutral, central, and unbiased in its management. Yes, so just set one up and stay away from moderating it. How hard can that be? Also while browsing my Junk before trashing I noticed your objection to being a troll. I have to admit that it is actually possible that you aren't. But the alternative is that you are a complete moron. -- // hdw ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
