Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
> *cough* *cough* Sprint *cough* *cough* excuse me. I have a bad cold. -KF > > 2) Abuse of the legally mandated CALEA infrastructure by a hacker. > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [full-disclosure] wiretapping -- antair restored
The problem here is they're probably speaking about domestically. Now if you're doing business internationally with employees who travel abroad then you're talking about something else. Geoff Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:10:17 Subject: re: [full-disclosure] wiretapping -- antair restored > He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. > Should companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? I'd argue that the vast majority of "wiretapping" isn't done officially by the Government. There's more money to be made in stealing your company secrets or mis-using your resources than trying to put you in jail. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:47:10 +1100, Kelly Robinson said: > He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. Should > companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? There's no reason to fear legal wiretaps, unless you're doing something that makes them want to get a wiretap warrant. Things you *do* need to fear: 1) Illegal wiretaps, warrantless wiretaps, and wholesale hoovering of your network data just because one of your employees is the wrong color or wrong political party, or just because they are worried about "terrorists". 2) Abuse of the legally mandated CALEA infrastructure by a hacker. pgpVUnus7L6i1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
> He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. > Should companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? I'd argue that the vast majority of "wiretapping" isn't done officially by the Government. There's more money to be made in stealing your company secrets or mis-using your resources than trying to put you in jail. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel R. Helgeson wrote: > If your company is a criminal enterprise, then yes. If you fund or > support terrorism, you stand a pretty good chance. If you are like the > 99.999% of the companies out there that do their thing, trying to make > an honest buck, you have nothing to fear. Kelly - you should always ignore anyone that falls back to the "if you've nothing to hide then you've nothing to fear" argument. It's complete bollocks. Yes, you should be concerned with wiretapping. The one thing that we've seen throughout history is that once power is given, it is abused. Given the number of abuses of the powers granted by the Patriot Act over the last few years, I see no evidence to suggest that any American entity (company or private individual) should not be concerned with wiretapping. Non-US companies are always fair game so at least they have the comfort of knowing they are probably being listened in on. Domestic companies are supposedly "protected" but, again, the documented abuses of the Patriot Act suggest otherwise. There are two things to remember. What is considered legal and just today may be considered illegal and treasonous tomorrow and once we accept that it's ok to listen in on phone calls at the corporate level, how long until that extends to private life? There is a reason we have the "slippery slope" argument being made. Besides, would you want someone listening in on your scientists and engineers discussing trade secrets? kmw - -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHOF2hsKMTOtQ3fKERAtMdAKCRvZFstucEGwvSkJslTo0oOv628gCfb9zi 96Qv6mheEDNPqMWp/LGFBnk= =Hlfo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
Except the loss of your privacy. No big deal or anything. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Joel R. Helgeson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:03:03 To:"'Kelly Robinson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping If your company is a criminal enterprise, then yes. If you fund or support terrorism, you stand a pretty good chance. If you are like the 99.999% of the companies out there that do their thing, trying to make an honest buck, you have nothing to fear. Joel Helgeson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Robinson Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:47 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping I just finished reading a book "Corporate Computer and Network Security" - Raymond R. Panko. He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. Should companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
If your company is a criminal enterprise, then yes. If you fund or support terrorism, you stand a pretty good chance. If you are like the 99.999% of the companies out there that do their thing, trying to make an honest buck, you have nothing to fear. Joel Helgeson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Robinson Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:47 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping I just finished reading a book "Corporate Computer and Network Security" - Raymond R. Panko. He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. Should companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
yes why not?afterall they can do anything. On Nov 11, 2007 7:17 AM, Kelly Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just finished reading a book "Corporate Computer and Network Security" - > Raymond R. Panko. > > He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. Should > companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > -- advertise on secgeeks? http://secgeeks.com/Advertising_on_Secgeeks.com http://newskicks.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Wiretapping
I just finished reading a book "Corporate Computer and Network Security" - Raymond R. Panko. He states that the CSI/FBI surveys suggest that wiretapping is rare. Should companies still be concerned with Wiretapping? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
