Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Not as common - but you got the point. Besides, I have a full-time job, my profile is on linked-in - and that kind of disproves his claim that I'm a soldier (who this guy was/is). On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:05 AM, wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:05:06 +0200, Avraham Schneider said: > > > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > > I would hazard a guess that Avraham Schneider is as common a name in > Jerusalem as William Smith is in most US cities? > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:05:06 +0200, Avraham Schneider said: > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I would hazard a guess that Avraham Schneider is as common a name in Jerusalem as William Smith is in most US cities? pgphCb83MIiEf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
2009/1/23 andrew.wallace : > Though he > propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or > something. There's no need for anyone to do this as you keep doing it yourself. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF YOU FUCKING MORON. PEOPLE DISRESPECT YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN POSTINGS! > Maybe [..] > He may [...]. [...] will be [...] so it must be [...] > If [...] would [...]? > > Andrew > Intelligencer & > Founder of n3td3v omfg - did you notice 99,8% of your posts look like that when it's not a news-story you're pasting? "Intelligencer & Founder" ... Sounds like me, pretending to be a female supermodel. die in a fire ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
...filters are your friend... although, if you have any other good lists, let me know On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Young, Darren wrote: > I joined this list a few months back in the hopes I might obtain some > useful information but I have to say, after the past month or so I can see > it's useless. > > > > *From:* full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto: > full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *j-f sentier > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:45 PM > *To:* andrew.wallace; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate > > > > It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need > this kind of speach to catch the puck. > > Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > > Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> > >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > Haha you still dreaming. > >> > > >> > Anyways, stay there and die. > >> > > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. > >> >> > >> >> It was never closed, join. > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
MIB On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:39 PM, andrew.wallace < andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > Who do you work for? > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > > Learn to read & think first LTR&TF > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider > >> wrote: > >> > Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, > so > >> > I > >> > will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's > >> > your's btw?). > >> > >> He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to > >> be denied as a joke. > >> > >> ___ > >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Well then, does anyone have any good dessert recipes they'd like to share? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote: > Considering they haven't banned the Palestinian propaganda that has been > going around here, everything is allowed. > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:06 PM, andrew.wallace < > andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on >> full-disclosure? >> >> Andrew >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer >> wrote: >> > You are the only one with this opinion. >> > >> > So shut up now and leave. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > >> > On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: >> > Cyber security politics are allowed. >> > >> > Andrew >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:06 AM, andrew.wallace < andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on > full-disclosure? > > > You're the only one on this list that thinks a lot of things. -- ciao JT ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Who do you work for? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > Learn to read & think first LTR&TF > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider >> wrote: >> > Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so >> > I >> > will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's >> > your's btw?). >> >> He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to >> be denied as a joke. >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Learn to read & think first LTR&TF 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider > wrote: > > Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so > I > > will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's > > your's btw?). > > He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to > be denied as a joke. > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider wrote: > Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I > will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's > your's btw?). He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to be denied as a joke. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
You make less and less sense with every post you make. You are delusional. Ask for help (not online). On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:34 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > And you ? > > Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but > please tell me > > 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >> >>> hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. >>> >> this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you >> wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for >> others to do if they really cared) >> >> >> You've got no creditbility here. >>> >> Why, because you say so? >> >> What did you do for computer security lately? >> >> >>> >>> >>> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >>> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli > bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something > EVIL. > > this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking > brown noze. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >> >> Andrew >> Intelligencer & >> Founder of n3td3v >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >> wrote: >> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >> > >> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >> wrote: >> >> >> >> which propaganda ? >> >> >> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >> >> >> But i understand why now : >> >> >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >> >> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the >> military >> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >> participating >> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >> >> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> >> >> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi, >> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >> security >> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing >> was >> > setup. >> >> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >> >> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >> technical >> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing >> lists are >> > created? >> >> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >> >>> >> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >> >>> >> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting >> here >> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting >> it here). >> >>> >> >> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >> useful! >> >>> >> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >> >>> (security related or not). >> >>> >> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security >> related >> >>> topics - but in the c
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
And you ? Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but please tell me 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > >> hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. >> > this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you > wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for > others to do if they really cared) > > > You've got no creditbility here. >> > Why, because you say so? > > What did you do for computer security lately? > > >> >> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >> >>> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec >>> mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. >>> baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) >>> >>> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you >>> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic >>> English). >>> >>> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily >>> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil >>> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). >>> >>> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer >>> security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security >>> related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated >>> to computer security_? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for > Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he > propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or > something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda > against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like > tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but > 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you > to jump off a bridge would you do it? > > Andrew > Intelligencer & > Founder of n3td3v > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider > wrote: > > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > > > > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > >> which propaganda ? > >> > >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. > >> > >> But i understand why now : > >> > >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html > >> > >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military > >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and > participating > >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " > >> > >> Everything is clearer than ever. > >> > >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > > Hi, > > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber > security > > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing > was > > setup. > > because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > > > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into > technical > > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists > are > > created? > > go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel > >>> > >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of > >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. > >>> > >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting > here > >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it > here). > >>> > > and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and > useful! > >>> > >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want > >>> (security related or not). > >>> > >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security > related > >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect > some spam. > >>> > >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with > propaganda, or > >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - > either a) > >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security rel
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
This is a mailing list where your messages are being sent to WORLD governments, you should be careful what your speech says. All i'm reading so far is you're from IRAN spreading hate speech about various things, and you've yet to deny it as a joke. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:19 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > Wrong again trisomic. > > I do like him very much for the moment let's see what he does globally. > > Anyways as many persons says here, it's not the place to do so. > > If you're glad and happy about obama, just tell him : > http://jointhewave.com > > And then shut the fuck up here. > > Die soon mofo. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, >> maybe he is against him as well. >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider >> wrote: >> > the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a >> > comsec >> > mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda >> > (i.e. >> > baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) >> > >> > And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you >> > shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic >> > English). >> > >> > That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily >> > (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil >> > people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). >> > >> > But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer >> > security >> > related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security >> > related), >> > when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to >> > computer security_? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli >> >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or >> >> something >> >> EVIL. >> >> >> >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking >> >> brown noze. >> >> >> >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >>> >> >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >> >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >> >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >> >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >> >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >> >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >> >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >> >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >> >>> >> >>> Andrew >> >>> Intelligencer & >> >>> Founder of n3td3v >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >> >>> > >> >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >> >>> > >> >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> which propaganda ? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> But i understand why now : >> >>> >> >> >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >>> >> >> >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the >> >>> >> military >> >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >> >>> >> participating >> >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >> >>> > security >> >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing >> >>> > was >> >>> > setup. >> >>> >> >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >> >>> >> >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >> >>> > technical >> >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing >> >>> > lists >> >>> > are >> >>> > created? >> >>> >> >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >> >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting >> >>> >>> here >> >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting >> >>> >>> it >> >>> >>> here). >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >> >>> useful! >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >> >>> >>> (security related or not). >> >>> >>> >> >>>
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. > this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for others to do if they really cared) You've got no creditbility here. > Why, because you say so? What did you do for computer security lately? > > > 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec >> mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. >> baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) >> >> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you >> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic >> English). >> >> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily >> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil >> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). >> >> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer >> security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security >> related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated >> to computer security_? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >> >>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli >>> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something >>> EVIL. >>> >>> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking >>> brown noze. >>> >>> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer & Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote: > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >> >> which propaganda ? >> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >> But i understand why now : >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: Hi, > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >>> (security related or not). >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain >>> vendor's patch not
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > > > 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >> >>> Nop you spread yours. >>> >> Yes, if that's what you call answering your propaganda with facts that >> disprove it. >> > You're making your fact up via your propaganda, fucker. > if it's fact, it can not be 'made up'. If it is coming as response to your claims - it is not propaganda. And your dirty language does not add to your credibility. > >> Anyways >>> >>> you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in >>> the same situation you'll do the same. >>> >> I guess I can't prove to you that it's not me - but then again, I don't >> need to either. >> >> Besides, what's your point? (not that I care) >> > My point is that it explain most of your free propaganda, aka palestinian > =evil, israel = Good. > free propaganda? what's that? how does it compare to expensive propaganda? And how does it _explain my propaganda_, when all I do is respond to your claims (i.e. there's no propaganda)? And why do you think anyone on this list cares about it? Is it computer security related? Why don't you answer this question? Any conflict have two side, i guess you've misse one while throwing rocks. > Yes, and in this case - a Good Israel, and an Evil Palestinians. If throwing rocks at them would make them stop their terror attacks on Israel, I'd do that. It obviously won't help, so why should I do it? Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's your's btw?). > >> >>> Die in the same grave than n3td3v. >>> >> Fix your damn English kid. >> > OMG you should read your conversations on this mailing-list, you've made > some mistake too bitch. > Yes, true - I admit to making a few mistakes - but at least I'm readable. Why do you have to use curse words in every sentence? Grow up already. > Anyways if your last defense is to critizice my english it's because i'm > right, and then you're wrong. > Your assumption is wrong. I did not use it as last, or any defense - simply as a constructive critisism. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Please moderator, close this thread. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, > maybe he is against him as well. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider > wrote: > > the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec > > mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. > > baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) > > > > And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you > > shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic > > English). > > > > That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily > > (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil > > people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). > > > > But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer > security > > related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security > related), > > when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to > > computer security_? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli > >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or > something > >> EVIL. > >> > >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking > >> brown noze. > >> > >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >>> > >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for > >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he > >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or > >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda > >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like > >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but > >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you > >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it? > >>> > >>> Andrew > >>> Intelligencer & > >>> Founder of n3td3v > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider > >>> wrote: > >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > >>> > > >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > >>> > > >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> which propaganda ? > >>> >> > >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. > >>> >> > >>> >> But i understand why now : > >>> >> > >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html > >>> >> > >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military > >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and > >>> >> participating > >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " > >>> >> > >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever. > >>> >> > >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber > >>> > security > >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing > was > >>> > setup. > >>> > >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > >>> > >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into > >>> > technical > >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists > >>> > are > >>> > created? > >>> > >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of > >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting > >>> >>> here > >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it > >>> >>> here). > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and > >>> useful! > >>> >>> > >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want > >>> >>> (security related or not). > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security > related > >>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect > some > >>> >>> spam. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with > propaganda, > >>> >>> or > >>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - > >>> >>> either a) > >>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend > >>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). > >>> >>> > >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished > >>> >>> by > >>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a > >>> >>> certain > >>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Wrong again trisomic. I do like him very much for the moment let's see what he does globally. Anyways as many persons says here, it's not the place to do so. If you're glad and happy about obama, just tell him : http://jointhewave.com And then shut the fuck up here. Die soon mofo. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, > maybe he is against him as well. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider > wrote: > > the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec > > mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. > > baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) > > > > And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you > > shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic > > English). > > > > That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily > > (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil > > people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). > > > > But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer > security > > related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security > related), > > when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to > > computer security_? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli > >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or > something > >> EVIL. > >> > >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking > >> brown noze. > >> > >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >>> > >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for > >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he > >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or > >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda > >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like > >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but > >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you > >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it? > >>> > >>> Andrew > >>> Intelligencer & > >>> Founder of n3td3v > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider > >>> wrote: > >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > >>> > > >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > >>> > > >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> which propaganda ? > >>> >> > >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. > >>> >> > >>> >> But i understand why now : > >>> >> > >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html > >>> >> > >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military > >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and > >>> >> participating > >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " > >>> >> > >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever. > >>> >> > >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber > >>> > security > >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing > was > >>> > setup. > >>> > >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > >>> > >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into > >>> > technical > >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists > >>> > are > >>> > created? > >>> > >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of > >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting > >>> >>> here > >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it > >>> >>> here). > >>> >>> > >>> > >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and > >>> useful! > >>> >>> > >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want > >>> >>> (security related or not). > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security > related > >>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect > some > >>> >>> spam. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with > propaganda, > >>> >>> or > >>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - > >>> >>> either a) > >>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend > >>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). > >>>
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, maybe he is against him as well. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider wrote: > the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec > mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. > baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) > > And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you > shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic > English). > > That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily > (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil > people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). > > But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security > related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), > when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to > computer security_? > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >> >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something >> EVIL. >> >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking >> brown noze. >> >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >>> >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >>> >>> Andrew >>> Intelligencer & >>> Founder of n3td3v >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >>> wrote: >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >>> > >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> which propaganda ? >>> >> >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >>> >> >>> >> But i understand why now : >>> >> >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >>> >> >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >>> >> participating >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >>> >> >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >>> >> >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >>> > security >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >>> > setup. >>> >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >>> >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >>> > technical >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists >>> > are >>> > created? >>> >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >>> >>> >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting >>> >>> here >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it >>> >>> here). >>> >>> >>> >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >>> useful! >>> >>> >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >>> >>> (security related or not). >>> >>> >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some >>> >>> spam. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, >>> >>> or >>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - >>> >>> either a) >>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished >>> >>> by >>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a >>> >>> certain >>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist >>> >>> the >>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and >>> >>> you are >>> >>> back with a readable FD. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >>> >>> re
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. You've got no creditbility here. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec > mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. > baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) > > And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you > shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic > English). > > That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily > (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil > people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). > > But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security > related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), > when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to > computer security_? > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something >> EVIL. >> >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking >> brown noze. >> >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >>> >>> Andrew >>> Intelligencer & >>> Founder of n3td3v >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >>> wrote: >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >>> > >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> which propaganda ? >>> >> >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >>> >> >>> >> But i understand why now : >>> >> >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >>> >> >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >>> participating >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >>> >> >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >>> >> >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >>> security >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >>> > setup. >>> >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >>> >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >>> technical >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists >>> are >>> > created? >>> >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >>> >>> >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting >>> here >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it >>> here). >>> >>> >>> >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >>> useful! >>> >>> >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >>> >>> (security related or not). >>> >>> >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some >>> spam. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, >>> or >>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - >>> either a) >>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished >>> by >>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a >>> certain >>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist >>> the >>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and >>> you are >>> >>> back with a readable FD. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >>> >>> wickedly twisting
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli > bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something > EVIL. > > this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking > brown noze. > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > > Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >> >> Andrew >> Intelligencer & >> Founder of n3td3v >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >> wrote: >> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >> > >> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >> wrote: >> >> >> >> which propaganda ? >> >> >> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >> >> >> But i understand why now : >> >> >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >> >> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >> participating >> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >> >> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> >> >> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi, >> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >> security >> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >> > setup. >> >> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >> >> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >> technical >> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists >> are >> > created? >> >> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >> >>> >> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >> >>> >> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here >> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it >> here). >> >>> >> >> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >> useful! >> >>> >> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >> >>> (security related or not). >> >>> >> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some >> spam. >> >>> >> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, >> or >> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - >> either a) >> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >> >>> >> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by >> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a >> certain >> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist >> the >> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and >> you are >> >>> back with a readable FD. >> >>> >> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). >> >>> >> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it >> is), >> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). >> >>> >> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy >> >>> h
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:38 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > i work for fucking IRAN Things like this shouldn't be joked about unless you're serious. :) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
***Do not try to mix up things, you're hitting a rock. 2009/1/22 j-f sentier > So if i understand well here : > > I CANT be against israel wars & propaganda (nothing new here, my buddie > avraham does make it clear since the beginning) > And if i'm against n3tcr4p it's because i'm ureleet or something ? > > Well dear n3tcr4p, some persons around are going to approve my points about > you, even if they likes me or not, we have the same vision about you. > > Do not try to mix up things, your hitting a rock. > > 2009/1/22 j-f sentier > >> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli >> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something >> EVIL. >> >> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking >> brown noze. >> >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >>> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >>> >>> Andrew >>> Intelligencer & >>> Founder of n3td3v >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >>> wrote: >>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >>> > >>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> which propaganda ? >>> >> >>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >>> >> >>> >> But i understand why now : >>> >> >>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >>> >> >>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >>> participating >>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >>> >> >>> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >>> >> >>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >>> security >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >>> > setup. >>> >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >>> >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >>> technical >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists >>> are >>> > created? >>> >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >>> >>> >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting >>> here >>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it >>> here). >>> >>> >>> >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >>> useful! >>> >>> >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >>> >>> (security related or not). >>> >>> >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some >>> spam. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, >>> or >>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - >>> either a) >>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished >>> by >>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a >>> certain >>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist >>> the >>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and >>> you are >>> >>> back with a readable FD. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >>> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). >>> >>> >>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it >>> is), >>> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). >>> >>> >>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy >>> >>> here. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ala >>> >>> ___ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-d
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
So if i understand well here : I CANT be against israel wars & propaganda (nothing new here, my buddie avraham does make it clear since the beginning) And if i'm against n3tcr4p it's because i'm ureleet or something ? Well dear n3tcr4p, some persons around are going to approve my points about you, even if they likes me or not, we have the same vision about you. Do not try to mix up things, your hitting a rock. 2009/1/22 j-f sentier > yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli > bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something > EVIL. > > this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking > brown noze. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for >> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he >> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or >> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda >> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like >> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but >> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you >> to jump off a bridge would you do it? >> >> Andrew >> Intelligencer & >> Founder of n3td3v >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider >> wrote: >> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. >> > >> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier >> wrote: >> >> >> >> which propaganda ? >> >> >> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >> >> >> But i understand why now : >> >> >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >> >> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and >> participating >> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >> >> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> >> >> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi, >> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber >> security >> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >> > setup. >> >> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >> >> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into >> technical >> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists >> are >> > created? >> >> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >> >>> >> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >> >>> >> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here >> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it >> here). >> >>> >> >> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and >> useful! >> >>> >> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >> >>> (security related or not). >> >>> >> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some >> spam. >> >>> >> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, >> or >> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - >> either a) >> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >> >>> >> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by >> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a >> certain >> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist >> the >> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and >> you are >> >>> back with a readable FD. >> >>> >> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). >> >>> >> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it >> is), >> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). >> >>> >> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy >> >>> here. >> >>> >> >> >> ala >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >>> Charter: http://lists.gr
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for > Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he > propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or > something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda > against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like > tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but > 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you > to jump off a bridge would you do it? > > Andrew > Intelligencer & > Founder of n3td3v > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider > wrote: > > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > > > > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > >> which propaganda ? > >> > >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. > >> > >> But i understand why now : > >> > >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html > >> > >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military > >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and > participating > >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " > >> > >> Everything is clearer than ever. > >> > >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > > Hi, > > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > > setup. > > because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > > > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into > technical > > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > > created? > > go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel > >>> > >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of > >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. > >>> > >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here > >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it > here). > >>> > > and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and > useful! > >>> > >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want > >>> (security related or not). > >>> > >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related > >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some > spam. > >>> > >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, > or > >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either > a) > >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend > >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). > >>> > >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by > >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a > certain > >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist > the > >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js > >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and > you are > >>> back with a readable FD. > >>> > >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being > >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without > >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). > >>> > >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), > >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). > >>> > >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy > >>> here. > >>> > > > ala > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > __
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > >> Nop you spread yours. >> > Yes, if that's what you call answering your propaganda with facts that > disprove it. > You're making your fact up via your propaganda, fucker. > > Anyways >> >> you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in >> the same situation you'll do the same. >> > I guess I can't prove to you that it's not me - but then again, I don't > need to either. > > Besides, what's your point? (not that I care) > My point is that it explain most of your free propaganda, aka palestinian =evil, israel = Good. Any conflict have two side, i guess you've misse one while throwing rocks. > > >> Die in the same grave than n3td3v. >> > Fix your damn English kid. > OMG you should read your conversations on this mailing-list, you've made some mistake too bitch. Anyways if your last defense is to critizice my english it's because i'm right, and then you're wrong. > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer & Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote: > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier wrote: >> >> which propaganda ? >> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >> But i understand why now : >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: Hi, > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >>> (security related or not). >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are >>> back with a readable FD. >>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). >>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). >>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy >>> here. >>> ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Nop, you spread yours. Anyways you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in the same situation you'll do the same. Die in the same grave than n3td3v. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. > > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > >> which propaganda ? >> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. >> >> But i understand why now : >> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html >> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " >> >> Everything is clearer than ever. >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >>> Hi, > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). >>> >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! >>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >>> (security related or not). >>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. >>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are >>> back with a readable FD. >>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). >>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). >>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy >>> here. >>> >>> ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >> >> > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Considering they haven't banned the Palestinian propaganda that has been going around here, everything is allowed. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:06 PM, andrew.wallace < andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on > full-disclosure? > > Andrew > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer > wrote: > > You are the only one with this opinion. > > > > So shut up now and leave. > > > > Peter > > > > > > On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: > > Cyber security politics are allowed. > > > > Andrew > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier wrote: > which propaganda ? > > you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. > > But i understand why now : > > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html > > "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police > to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the > disturbance, instead of preventing it. " > > Everything is clearer than ever. > 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > > >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security >>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >>> > setup. >>> >>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >>> >>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical >>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are >>> > created? >>> >>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel >> >> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of >> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. >> >> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and >> start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). >> >> >>> >>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! >> >> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want >> (security related or not). >> >> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related >> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. >> >> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or >> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) >> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend >> themselves (or oppose their propaganda). >> >> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by >> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain >> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the >> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js >> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are >> back with a readable FD. >> >> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being >> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without >> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). >> >> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), >> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). >> >> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. >> >> >>> >>> ala >>> >>> ___ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
So to make this clearer, you're admiting to have some mental capacity problems ? 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > "Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or > incite violence or prejudicial action[citation needed] against a > person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, > nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, > disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, > appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and > any other distinction that might be considered by some as a > liability." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > No hate dude, just bored as many to see you keep on spamming here. > > > > No one likes you (not a myth), your topics sucks, your news relay style > is > > useless, and the most boring is your unknowledged vision of security. > > > > Just shut the fuck up, learn, think, and maybe post if it's usefull. > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > @n3tcr4p: > >> > > >> > it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. > >> > >> Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the > >> world. Terrorist. > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
"Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action[citation needed] against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > No hate dude, just bored as many to see you keep on spamming here. > > No one likes you (not a myth), your topics sucks, your news relay style is > useless, and the most boring is your unknowledged vision of security. > > Just shut the fuck up, learn, think, and maybe post if it's usefull. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > @n3tcr4p: >> > >> > it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. >> >> Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the >> world. Terrorist. > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
No hate dude, just bored as many to see you keep on spamming here. No one likes you (not a myth), your topics sucks, your news relay style is useless, and the most boring is your unknowledged vision of security. Just shut the fuck up, learn, think, and maybe post if it's usefull. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > @n3tcr4p: > > > > it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. > > Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the > world. Terrorist. > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > @n3tcr4p: > > it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the world. Terrorist. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. " Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > >> Hi, >> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security >> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was >> > setup. >> >> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? >> >> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical >> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are >> > created? >> >> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel > > I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of > discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. > > As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and > start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). > > >> >> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! > > FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security > related or not). > > Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related > topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. > > Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or > just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) > ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend > themselves (or oppose their propaganda). > > As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by > either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain > vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the > rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js > sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are > back with a readable FD. > > Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being > readable, are not computer security related either (at least without > wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). > > So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), > andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). > > Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. > > >> >> ala >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
I joined this list a few months back in the hopes I might obtain some useful information but I have to say, after the past month or so I can see it's useless. From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of j-f sentier Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:45 PM To: andrew.wallace; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > Haha you still dreaming. >> > >> > Anyways, stay there and die. >> > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier >> >> wrote: >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. >> >> >> >> It was never closed, join. >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
@sr: Sentier wasn't free for registration so i took sentiar, but my name is sentier, any other question about that ? @n3tcr4p: it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. 2009/1/22 sr. > sentiar? or sentier? watch it, you might be considered a troll...! > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:44 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you > need > > this kind of speach to catch the puck. > > > > Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> > >> Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 P > M, j-f sentier wrote: > >> > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. > >> > > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> >> > >> >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Haha you still dreaming. > >> >> > > >> >> > Anyways, stay there and die. > >> >> > > >> >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier > > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It was never closed, join. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ___ > >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > > setup. > > because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > > > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical > > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > > created? > > go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). > > and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. > > ala > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
sentiar? or sentier? watch it, you might be considered a troll...! On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:44 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need > this kind of speach to catch the puck. > > Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 P M, j-f sentier wrote: >> > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. >> > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> >> >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier >> >> wrote: >> >> > Haha you still dreaming. >> >> > >> >> > Anyways, stay there and die. >> >> > >> >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. >> >> >> >> >> >> It was never closed, join. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Nobody cares that you don't like me though, so no point in sharing it with the world. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need > this kind of speach to catch the puck. > > Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. >> > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> >> >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier >> >> wrote: >> >> > Haha you still dreaming. >> >> > >> >> > Anyways, stay there and die. >> >> > >> >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. >> >> >> >> >> >> It was never closed, join. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> > >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > Haha you still dreaming. > >> > > >> > Anyways, stay there and die. > >> > > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. > >> >> > >> >> It was never closed, join. > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > Haha you still dreaming. >> > >> > Anyways, stay there and die. >> > >> > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier >> >> wrote: >> >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. >> >> >> >> It was never closed, join. >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > Haha you still dreaming. > > > > Anyways, stay there and die. > > > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. > >> > >> It was never closed, join. > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > Haha you still dreaming. > > Anyways, stay there and die. > > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. >> >> It was never closed, join. > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. > > It was never closed, join. > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
"I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago" Did he laugh ? "What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created?" Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > setup. > > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > created? > > Andrew > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Castigliola, Angelo > wrote: > > I was under the impression this was a list to discuss > > _the_technical_facts_ regarding current released and unreleased > > _security_exploits_for_computer_software_. I didn't sign up for > > _shameless_self_promotion_. > > > > Once again I'm asking for users to post this on your blag, to your own > > mailing list, or at the very least show the mailing list and charter > > respect and take your flames offline. > > _Stop_polluting_full-disclosure_with_vague_speculation_and_opinions_. > > > > Angelo Castigliola III > > > > -Original Message- > > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of > > andrew.wallace > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:03 PM > > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama > > > > Now that President Obama has been sworn in, > > > > This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, > > what you say here *will* make a difference. > > > > Let the community know your thoughts. > > > > Andrew > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace > > wrote: > >> What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on > > Tuesday? > >> > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Yep. Die 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace > I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on > full-disclosure? > > Andrew > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer > wrote: > > You are the only one with this opinion. > > > > So shut up now and leave. > > > > Peter > > > > > > On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: > > Cyber security politics are allowed. > > > > Andrew > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
Hi, > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was > setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are > created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! alan ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Castigliola, Angelo wrote: > I was under the impression this was a list to discuss > _the_technical_facts_ regarding current released and unreleased > _security_exploits_for_computer_software_. I didn't sign up for > _shameless_self_promotion_. > > Once again I'm asking for users to post this on your blag, to your own > mailing list, or at the very least show the mailing list and charter > respect and take your flames offline. > _Stop_polluting_full-disclosure_with_vague_speculation_and_opinions_. > > Angelo Castigliola III > > -Original Message- > From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk > [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of > andrew.wallace > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:03 PM > To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama > > Now that President Obama has been sworn in, > > This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, > what you say here *will* make a difference. > > Let the community know your thoughts. > > Andrew > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace > wrote: >> What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on > Tuesday? >> > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on full-disclosure? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer wrote: > You are the only one with this opinion. > > So shut up now and leave. > > Peter > > > On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: > Cyber security politics are allowed. > > Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
You are the only one with this opinion. So shut up now and leave. Peter On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jan G.B. > wrote: >> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace : >>> Now that President Obama has been sworn in, >>> This is your chance to speak to the new administration in >>> Washington, >>> what you say here *will* make a difference. >>> Let the community know your thoughts. >>> Andrew >> >> FDs pupose isn't "DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS". >> I urge you to follow your own sentence: >> >> 2009/1/19 andrew. wallace : >>> I'm calling for the closure of political threads on full- >>> disclosure so >>> we can get back to business. >>> >> >> Be quiet now and forever! ;) >> > > Cyber security politics are allowed. > > Andrew > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jan G.B. wrote: > 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace : >> Now that President Obama has been sworn in, >> This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, >> what you say here *will* make a difference. >> Let the community know your thoughts. >> Andrew > > FDs pupose isn't "DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS". > I urge you to follow your own sentence: > > 2009/1/19 andrew. wallace : >> I'm calling for the closure of political threads on full-disclosure so >> we can get back to business. >> > > Be quiet now and forever! ;) > Cyber security politics are allowed. Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate
I was under the impression this was a list to discuss _the_technical_facts_ regarding current released and unreleased _security_exploits_for_computer_software_. I didn't sign up for _shameless_self_promotion_. Once again I'm asking for users to post this on your blag, to your own mailing list, or at the very least show the mailing list and charter respect and take your flames offline. _Stop_polluting_full-disclosure_with_vague_speculation_and_opinions_. Angelo Castigliola III -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of andrew.wallace Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:03 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace wrote: > What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
2009/1/22 andrew.wallace : > Now that President Obama has been sworn in, > This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, > what you say here *will* make a difference. > Let the community know your thoughts. > Andrew FDs pupose isn't "DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS". I urge you to follow your own sentence: 2009/1/19 andrew. wallace : > I'm calling for the closure of political threads on full-disclosure so > we can get back to business. > Be quiet now and forever! ;) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Marcus Sachs had a suggestion to _artificially_ ramp up cyber security as a national security agenda. Everybody thought that was a bad idea, or at least I didn't hear anybody on full-disclosure say it was a good idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSUPTZVlkyU Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, andrew.wallace wrote: > Now that President Obama has been sworn in, > > This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, > what you say here *will* make a difference. > > Let the community know your thoughts. > > Andrew > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace > wrote: >> What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on >> Tuesday? >> > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace wrote: > What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Oh ha ha. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:43 AM, ghost wrote: > Kill your parents. > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:37 PM, andrew. wallace > wrote: >> What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on >> Tuesday? >> >> ___ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Kill your parents. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:37 PM, andrew. wallace wrote: > What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
