Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Help put a stop to incompetent computer fore nsics
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: > ...and let me remind you, Mr. Terranson, that the majority > of information that originates from SANS (primarily from the > ISC Daily Handlers Diary, and DSHield.org), is far more > substantive that the juvenile B.S. that goes on in this > forum most of the time. H... Hit a nerve, did I? How odd. > But, of course, you knew that already, right? Sure enough. So? > Being a "for-profit" organization is not the Sign of the Beast; No, it is certainly not The Sign Of The Beast - but it *is* a powerful incentive to see things in a certain light. There is no possibility of disinterest here. > the last time I checked, it was a Good Thing (tm), insofar as > being truthful, honest, and doing a service to the online community. Oh, I wouldn't necessarily go that far. Like I said, I realize it's a minority position, and an unpopular one on top of it, but SANS is not exactly one of my "suggested role models". I'd place them in the same group as ISACA, ISC2, etcetera. There's a lot of great stuff in there, but theres a pretty [un]healthy dose of evil mixed in as well. Regardless of whether I personally agree or disagree with any SANS policy/practice/whatever, the message here is a legitimate one. That you would rather take it as some sort of personal attack is strictly your personal problem - the message is a generic one (that equally covers a boatload of entities). > - ferg > > p.s. You call that cheap shot "full dsiclosure"? First of all, it was not "a cheap shot" - get a grip Paul. As for the "disclosure" question, it's as disclosure-ish as anything else here: look around a little! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they are intended to support. don zweig, M.D. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Help put a stop to incompetent computer fore nsics
...and let me remind you, Mr. Terranson, that the majority of information that originates from SANS (primarily from the ISC Daily Handlers Diary, and DSHield.org), is far more substantive that the juvenile B.S. that goes on in this forum most of the time. But, of course, you knew that already, right? Being a "for-profit" organization is not the Sign of the Beast; the last time I checked, it was a Good Thing (tm), insofar as being truthful, honest, and doing a service to the online community. - ferg p.s. You call that cheap shot "full dsiclosure"? -- "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.sans.org/resources/glossary.php While I realize that this is not going to be a wildly popular point, let me remind you that SANS is not the kind of place I would use as an authoritative reference in terms of debate. SANS is a for profit corp., and was run as such even when they were playing possum as a non-profit. They are *not* a "disinterested third party" any more than the anti-virus firms are - and not many people would use *them* as an authoritative reference (assuming of course that there are other sources). -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Help put a stop to incompetent computer fore nsics
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Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Help put a stop to incompetent computer fore nsics
Hello? I can't believe I'm getting suckered into this... Wikipedia: Trojan horse (computing): In the context of computer software, a Trojan horse is a malicious program that is disguised as legitimate software. The term is derived from the classical myth of the Trojan horse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse_%28computing%29 Dictionary.com: Trojan horse n. 1. A subversive group or device placed within enemy ranks. 2. The hollow wooden horse in which, according to legend, Greeks hid and gained entrance to Troy, later opening the gates to their army. 3. Computer Science. A program that appears to be legitimate but is designed to have destructive effects, as to data residing in the computer onto which the program was loaded. - ferg -- Jason Coombs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thierry Zoller wrote: > Or in better English : > A computer trojan horse is a program which appears to be something good, > but actually conceals something bad. Interesting. What dictionary are you reading this definition from? [snip] Jason Coombs [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
