Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?
On Thursday 12 June 2003 12:49 pm, madsaxon wrote: for the record, i've been saying we need to change the nomenclature for awhile, suddenly everyone cares. i am truly amused. i'm going to go off now and be ahead of the curve some more. > [Since nothing appears to be "off topic" for this list, I don't > feel constrained to withhold my comments on that basis.] > > At 01:21 AM 6/13/03 +1000, Darren Reed wrote: > >The english language evolves and this is just part of it. Just as > >"jelly" in the USA is different to "jelly" in Australia, "hacker" > >post circa 1990 is different to "hacker" pre circa 1990. > > Oh, so "Fosters" is, in fact, Australian for "beer?" > > I guess I'm not ready to have the language I employ every day of > my life dictated by the mass media. The evolution of language > is conducted by consensus of the users, but in this case that > consensus has been artificially promulgated not by a > preponderance of the speakers, but by a very small minority > who are supposed to be in the business of informing. If that > doesn't bother you, fine. It does me. If "hacker" were the only > instance of this phenomenon, I'd just write it off as an anomaly. > It isn't, however. There are many examples, some obvious, some > rather more subtle. > > We all have causes for which we're prepared to fight... > > m5x > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?
[Since nothing appears to be "off topic" for this list, I don't feel constrained to withhold my comments on that basis.] At 01:21 AM 6/13/03 +1000, Darren Reed wrote: The english language evolves and this is just part of it. Just as "jelly" in the USA is different to "jelly" in Australia, "hacker" post circa 1990 is different to "hacker" pre circa 1990. Oh, so "Fosters" is, in fact, Australian for "beer?" I guess I'm not ready to have the language I employ every day of my life dictated by the mass media. The evolution of language is conducted by consensus of the users, but in this case that consensus has been artificially promulgated not by a preponderance of the speakers, but by a very small minority who are supposed to be in the business of informing. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It does me. If "hacker" were the only instance of this phenomenon, I'd just write it off as an anomaly. It isn't, however. There are many examples, some obvious, some rather more subtle. We all have causes for which we're prepared to fight... m5x ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:21:48AM +1000, Darren Reed wrote: > Get over it. > A "hacker", today, is someone who participates in acts relating to > illegal activity with computers, be it phreaking or just cracking. So we need to find a new word for the old meaning. cheers, -- My home isn't cluttered; it's "passage restrictive." [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Geek . And proud of it . http://www.kill-9.it/jargon/html/entry/zen.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?
Why do people continue trying to argue the meaning of "hacker" ? That 'battle' was lost over 10 years ago. Get over it. A "hacker", today, is someone who participates in acts relating to illegal activity with computers, be it phreaking or just cracking. The english language evolves and this is just part of it. Just as "jelly" in the USA is different to "jelly" in Australia, "hacker" post circa 1990 is different to "hacker" pre circa 1990. Get used to it. In some mail from morning_wood, sie said: > > Thomas Edison was a hacker. > Alexander Grahm Bell was a hacker. > Your next door neighbor with the hot rod, he too is a hacker. > Mabey we need to change the nomenclature...? > You can be a hacker without commiting a crime, that is not the publics > perseption. > > I guess we need to accecpt a different moniker.. > > Unemployed Security Enthusiast Reseacher > > morning_wood ( USER ) > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 08:21:44PM -0700, morning_wood wrote: > perseption. Without reiterating others' opinions, please watch what you post here, and bearing in mind the target audience (also take into consideration bandwidth, etc.), could you at the least proof-read your bloody drivel? Thanks, David. > morning_wood ( CUNT ) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
[Full-Disclosure] hackers are evil?
Thomas Edison was a hacker. Alexander Grahm Bell was a hacker. Your next door neighbor with the hot rod, he too is a hacker. Mabey we need to change the nomenclature...? You can be a hacker without commiting a crime, that is not the publics perseption. I guess we need to accecpt a different moniker.. Unemployed Security Enthusiast Reseacher morning_wood ( USER ) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
