Re: [funsec] OK, all you EU guys who took the CEH just wasted your money
Not really a catch22, just a fancy way of saying that possession of burglary tools is a Class 5 felony. Problem is, a crowbar could be a burglary tool, so if I merely have a crowbar on me, by the wording of that code, that means that I have intent to burgle so it's a class5 felony. Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Remo Cornali Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:34 AM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] OK, all you EU guys who took the CEH just wasted your money On 31/03/2012 04:46, valdis.kletni...@vt.edumailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Code of Virginia - Section 18.2-94 - Possession of burglarious tools, etc.If any person have in his possession any tools, implements or outfit, with intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny, upon conviction thereof he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny. That sounds like unadulterated Comma 22 to me: possession of burglarious tools is a felony *only* with intent to commit burglary, *but* the possession of burglarious tools shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary. Why do I need a driver's license to drive a car, but I only need to be elected to forge such legal masterpieces? Ciao! Remo ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] OK, all you EU guys who took the CEH just wasted your money
That sounds like unadulterated Comma 22 to me: possession of burglarious tools is a felony *only* with intent to commit burglary, *but* the possession of burglarious tools shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary. Well, you have to unpack prima facie a little there. It means at first glace or before any rebuttal or similar things. It means that if you have a crowbar the prosecutor (if he's bored enough, or you hit on his daughter) can make a case against you and maybe get you to court, but if you can say sometimes I need to open crates; see, here's an opened crate in my garage!, the judge should then say have a nice day. For some value of should... DC ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] OK, all you EU guys who took the CEH just wasted your money
But that also means that just by owning a crowbar, you could wind up in federal penitentiary... Especially because if you hit on the prosecuter's daughter that you ALSO hit on the judges daughter because they are always WAY cuter So bang! You're doin 5-7 just for owning a crowbar you got at Lowes :-( Mike B From: David M Chess [mailto:ch...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:41 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] OK, all you EU guys who took the CEH just wasted your money That sounds like unadulterated Comma 22 to me: possession of burglarious tools is a felony *only* with intent to commit burglary, *but* the possession of burglarious tools shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary. Well, you have to unpack prima facie a little there. It means at first glace or before any rebuttal or similar things. It means that if you have a crowbar the prosecutor (if he's bored enough, or you hit on his daughter) can make a case against you and maybe get you to court, but if you can say sometimes I need to open crates; see, here's an opened crate in my garage!, the judge should then say have a nice day. For some value of should... DC ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] Now *THAT* was one enormous April Fools gag ...
http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/rnpiw/mindboggling_xkcd_april_fools_c omic/ == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality. - Jules de Gautier victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
