Re: [funsec] Fwd: petition to remove Aaron Swartz prosecutor
On 15 January 2013 02:30, Kyle Creyts kyle.cre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, with each passing Saturday bringing the trial closer, each probably looked more bleak. So it may have have been one contributing cause, but it's not a slam dunk to conclude a direct causal relationship court case therefor suicide. For all we know, he's been having those thoughts for *years*, and Friday was simply the day that he woke up and realized there was no way he could face Saturday post hoc ergo propter hoc Young men are the best patient group for successfully completing suicide and often the cause is multifactorial and difficult to elucidate However I think that the upcoming court case has to be taken into account. Would be useful to know if there had been a *very* recent history of Aaron's mood seeming to lift or if there was a change in his medication (if any) Somewhere a psychiatrist will probably be undertaking a critical event analysis ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Fwd: petition to remove Aaron Swartz prosecutor
just to be clear post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy that we as a race have a real problem with mike ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Fwd: petition to remove Aaron Swartz prosecutor
On 1/14/2013 9:30 PM, Kyle Creyts wrote: Well, with each passing Saturday bringing the trial closer, each probably looked more bleak. Indeed, I'm finding the apologism for the legal bullying rather offensive actually - when that teenager killed herself due to 'cyberbullying' (bleh.. they need a better term for that), nobody sat around saying 'well she had a long history of depression, it would probably have happened anyway' - no, they went after the person who'd victimized her, in court(*). If I go and kick someone around a bit and hospitalize them, is their lack of combat training and weak physique the reason they are in such a bad situation? Our entire lives are a series of 'just circumstance'; getting out of bed and going to work is 'multifactorial' - you can't explain things off that way. (* - In fact that cyberbullying case changed the law, yet again to make overly broad cases like this even more easy to carry out) also: http://gizmodo.com/5975996/in-the-wake-of-aaron-swartzs-death-lets-fix-draconian-computer-crime-law ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Fwd: petition to remove Aaron Swartz prosecutor
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Conrad Constantine con...@1211.net wrote: On 1/14/2013 9:30 PM, Kyle Creyts wrote: Well, with each passing Saturday bringing the trial closer, each probably looked more bleak. Indeed, I'm finding the apologism for the legal bullying rather offensive actually - when that teenager killed herself due to 'cyberbullying' (bleh.. they need a better term for that), nobody sat around saying 'well she had a long history of depression, it would probably have happened anyway' - no, they went after the person who'd victimized her, in court(*). If I go and kick someone around a bit and hospitalize them, is their lack of combat training and weak physique the reason they are in such a bad situation? Our entire lives are a series of 'just circumstance'; getting out of bed and going to work is 'multifactorial' - you can't explain things off that way. (* - In fact that cyberbullying case changed the law, yet again to make overly broad cases like this even more easy to carry out) +1 ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Fwd: petition to remove Aaron Swartz prosecutor
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:04:41 +, Michael Simpson said: Young men are the best patient group for successfully completing suicide and often the cause is multifactorial and difficult to elucidate However I think that the upcoming court case has to be taken into account. Exactly. I'm positive the court case didn't help - but that's a *long* way from the prosecutor has blood on their hands. Would be useful to know if there had been a *very* recent history of Aaron's mood seeming to lift or if there was a change in his medication (if any) The public may never find out that one. pgpbQ0gK6iSIM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
