Re: [funsec] Don't mess with Canadians carrying sticks ...

2014-10-23 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:04 PM,   wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:36:16 -0400, Jeffrey Walton said:
>
>> Given that some politicians are more dangerous than terrorist, and we
>> kill terrorist, then what should be done with politicians who commit
>> crimes against the democracy and the citizens?
>
> They should either lose elections, or they should end up in a criminal
> court and given a fair trial, no matter *how* big a scum they are.
>
> Saying that it's OK for random vigilantes to shoot at them means you've
> basically given up the idea of the rule of law.
I think there's a critical flaw in your logic. I think its the
difference between theory and practice. The rule of law applies to
little folks like you and I; and does not appear to apply to the
oligarchy.

Until the law applies to everyone equally, I'm more than happy to find
satisfaction in the vigilantes.

Too big to jail FTW... Battle evil with a different kind of evil...
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Re: [funsec] Don't mess with Canadians carrying sticks ...

2014-10-23 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 01:04:00PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> Saying that it's OK for random vigilantes to shoot at them means you've
> basically given up the idea of the rule of law.

Agreed.  I think this is apropos:

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process
he does not become a monster.
--- Friedrich Nietzsche

---rsk
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Re: [funsec] Don't mess with Canadians carrying sticks ...

2014-10-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:36:16 -0400, Jeffrey Walton said:

> Given that some politicians are more dangerous than terrorist, and we
> kill terrorist, then what should be done with politicians who commit
> crimes against the democracy and the citizens?

They should either lose elections, or they should end up in a criminal
court and given a fair trial, no matter *how* big a scum they are.

Saying that it's OK for random vigilantes to shoot at them means you've
basically given up the idea of the rule of law.


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[funsec] Meanwhile, where's *our* safety video?

2014-10-23 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOw44VFNk8Y

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Re: [funsec] Don't mess with Canadians carrying sticks ...

2014-10-23 Thread Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)
" If nothing else, remember that most of them have families that will grieve.
Those politicians need to lose an election.  Not a life."

Can't agree more!

Michael P. Blanchard
Principal Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE
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Subject: Re: [funsec] Don't mess with Canadians carrying sticks ...

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:02:14 -0400, Jeffrey Walton said:

> Politicians are usually corrupt to the core. They are more than happy
> to take money and peddle influence. I'd much rather see a politician
> killed, and I'm not sure I would bestow honors on someone who stopped
> it...

Would you bestow honors on the guys who stopped John Hinkly Jr before he
managed to get another bullet into Reagan?  How about if somebody had
stopped Lee Harvey Oswald or the guys who shot Ghandi and Benazir Bhutto?

Yes, many of them *are* corrupt, but jumping from there to "Every single
one of them is so corrupt that they don't deserve an attempt to stop
an assassination" shows something pretty sad about you.

If nothing else, remember that most of them have families that will grieve.
Those politicians need to lose an election.  Not a life.

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