Re: [funsec] 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

2011-10-17 Thread David M Chess
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu :

> Tell you what - call it "the politicans *and* the filthy rich who bribed 
them
> to support their money-making schemes" and I'm all in. ;)

Yep, I'll take that too.  :)

With the proviso that modern "bribery" isn't always just the slipping of 
money from palm to palm in a back alley.  It's also the structuring of 
policies and regulations and so forth to benefit one particular group, 
because one is a member of that group, or expects to be in the future, or 
receives various benefits from that group, or has lunch with them, or 
belongs to the same country-clubs, even when the quid-pro-quo is quite 
subtle.  Not so much "if I don't vote for this bill, FredCo won't pay me 
off on Tuesday", but more "if I don't continue pushing regulation in this 
direction, the boys at FredCo won't invite me to eat with them at the 
Club, and when I leave government they're unlikely to hire me to an 
overpaid executive position".  And subtler...

DC
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Re: [funsec] 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

2011-10-16 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Ivan .  wrote:
>> 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-about-inequality-in-america-2011-11?op=1
>>
> Don't be fooled: its not rich versus poor (1% versus 99%). Both want
> the same thing.
>

That's not true at all -- most people just want a level playing field,
and a future for their children.

http://politicsforabetteramerica.blogspot.com/2011/10/letter-to-53.html?spref=fb

- ferg

-- 
"Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
 fergdawgster(at)gmail.com

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Re: [funsec] 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

2011-10-16 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:16 AM,   wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:49:58 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said:
>
>> The underlying problem is the politicians.
>
>> The problem is not democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals,
>> rich, or poor. Only a small fraction of the 1% was responsible for the
>> additional burdens the 99% must bear. The problem is the politicians,
>> their addictive greed, their lack of accountability, their utter
>> disregard for the country, and their contempt for the citizens.
>
> Tell you what - call it "the politicans *and* the filthy rich who bribed them
> to support their money-making schemes" and I'm all in. ;)
>
> (Remember - a bribe has two ends, and usually both ends are morally
> culpable)
You convinced me!
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Re: [funsec] 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

2011-10-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:49:58 EDT, Jeffrey Walton said:

> The underlying problem is the politicians.

> The problem is not democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals,
> rich, or poor. Only a small fraction of the 1% was responsible for the
> additional burdens the 99% must bear. The problem is the politicians,
> their addictive greed, their lack of accountability, their utter
> disregard for the country, and their contempt for the citizens.

Tell you what - call it "the politicans *and* the filthy rich who bribed them
to support their money-making schemes" and I'm all in. ;)

(Remember - a bribe has two ends, and usually both ends are morally
culpable)



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Re: [funsec] 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

2011-10-16 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Ivan .  wrote:
> 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-about-inequality-in-america-2011-11?op=1
>
Don't be fooled: its not rich versus poor (1% versus 99%). Both want
the same thing.

The underlying problem is the politicians. For example, many find it
morally objectionable that a public official would take a bride. in
fact, its illegal - except when its called a PAC contribution.

The politicians take millions of dollars in PAC contributions (and are
allowed to personally keep what is not spent during campaigning), and
then provide political influence and protection for the folks who
bribed them. For example, there have been no criminal prosecutions
against those in the US financial sector who caused or aggravated the
current recession. Their economic terrorism was tolerated because they
are major campaign contributors, despite the fact they they broke US
laws.

The problem is not democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals,
rich, or poor. Only a small fraction of the 1% was responsible for the
additional burdens the 99% must bear. The problem is the politicians,
their addictive greed, their lack of accountability, their utter
disregard for the country, and their contempt for the citizens.

Jeff
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