Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 03:36:38PM -0500, michael.blanch...@emc.com wrote: > Because this fellow, has US Confidential documents and has given them to our > enemy. That should put him right up there on the most wanted list for the US. It doesn't matter. There are over a thousand Wikileaks mirrors already. Soon enough, there will be a thousand Wikileaks. I'm sure that some of the inferior people who can't handle truth, who don't want citizens to know what their own governments (and corporations) have been up to and who have no idea what their own Constitution guarantees, will still scream for blood as loudly as they can, and in some instances they'll probably get it...but they are powerless to stop this. "The avalanche has already begun; it is too late for the pebbles to vote." ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:42:45 EST, michael.blanch...@emc.com said: > Assange is a clear criminal during a time of war to the USA. He should be > tried and prosecuted as a war criminal an a terrorist > > Back in the day, he'd be hung from the neck until dead We should do > that... So tell me.. What would you do with Daniel Ellsberg, or Woodward and Bernstein? (This of course also means you think we'd have been better off if both "The Pentagon Papers" or "All the President's Men" had never been written, and we never learned about anything that happened in either book) Now the real poser - what if Assange published papers that conclusively proved who needed to be hung by the neck for releasing Valerie Plame's identity? :) pgpcyiIWtu24x.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
I believe this will all give us pause on the importance of wearing a condom when having consensual sex. Otherwise, hell, Interpol might actually put a warrant out for your arrest. Alex -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:10 AM To: FunSec Subject: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120700721.html US retribution for the leaks was swift, and the character assassination continues: "Assange and his supporters have denied the accusations, calling them part of an elaborate plot to silence WikiLeaks. Since publication of the latest round of documents began last week, the pressure has mounted on Assange, who was being sought internationally on an Interpol warrant, and on WikiLeaks itself, which is in a global battle to keep its financial and distribution system intact." I find it interesting how quickly politicians turn to character assassinations in an attempt to discredit. I suppose its par for the course for a group, whose minds are *collectively* so lazy, that they will choose war rather than diplomacy (violence is an indication of a weak and lazy mind). Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
michael.blanch...@emc.com wrote: > Regardless of your feelings about the war, we are certainly, AT WAR. > This WikiLeaks moron should be tried by a military tribunal for > willfully exposing US confidential material. The traitor that > actually downloaded and gave the WikiLeaks guy the material should > be shot for treason. So your position is that being at war trumps any and all other considerations? A thinking person would interject "in which case the terrorists have won". Or, more rhetorically relevant to this list... Welcome to 1984, metaphorically that is, as described by George Orwell. With your kind of mentality, perpetual war will certainly follow. Arguably "the war on terror" is deliberately designed to be just that (my main doubt is whether Dubya and cronies were smart enough to realize it, and conceited enough to actually do it, though they probably did it mainly out of money-grubbing lust). Regardless, a significant proportion of US sheeple (yourself clearly included) have fallen for it lock, stock and barrel... By the time you all realize your collective stupidity you won't be able to do anything _you like_ about it as the Chinese will well and truly own your sorry arses. Instead of "kill[ing] the yellow man", Springsteen's (grand-)children will be working for him, and probably as impossibly indentured labourers trying to pay off way too many years of Republican-driven economic excess, not least of which is this war you seem so fond of... Regards, Nick FitzGerald ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 16:02:06 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >An Interpol warrant for questioning? I'd love to see the same swift >execution of justice for Bush and comrades' indictment in Sapin. [1] Yeah, The Man is rippin' us off! Bush The Man is pulling invisible strings from deep down where he lives in Dogfart, Texas. Ned ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
It's not that it's news, it's that it's classified documents. What would have already happened to this dude if they were Chinese Classified Documents? Yah, he'd already be in a shallow grave or fed to the sharks... Mike B -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Brance Amussen Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:35 PM To: 'Rich Kulawiec'; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant This is exactly correct, IMHO. The only people these leaks are "really" news to, are the general public. B :)_S -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:23 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant Y'know, there's a fallacy being propagated here that's quite similar to one pertaining to security bugs and full disclosure debates. Consider nation A. Now consider its ally nation X, its enemy nation Y, and its neutral nation Z. And let's say that the diplomatic communications of nation A with X, Y, and Z (and others, of course) are all published on the Internet by Wikileaks. The presumption being made is that the contents of those communications are all news to X, Y, Z and all those other nations. Now let's presume that Wikileaks never existed. Do you REALLY think that X, Y, Z, and everyone else would not help themselves to any of those communications that they care to? They do have intelligence services, y'know, some of which actually have intelligent people working for them. And while nations X and Z might hesitate to use certain methods, there's really not much reason for nation Y to abstain. I would guess that the right combination of spies, thieves, bribes, wiretaps, malware, seduction, blackmail, flattery, drugs, alcohol, etc. would suffice -- doubly so for low-hanging fruit such as the cables currently being disclosed. A large number of people have access to those, presenting a large attack surface for anyone engaged in human engineering. Now of course we are seeing public pronouncements by nation X and the like that they are shocked, shocked at what we can now all read. Of course we are. They can't very well publicly admit that they've known this stuff all along and had already adjusted policy as necessary. But really, if I were one of the heads of state of nation X (or Y or Z) and my national intelligence service hadn't given me most of this on a silver platter a long time ago, I'd sack my espionage chief before tea-time today and tell my staff to find someone minimally competent. Everyone is aware, I trust, that some of these countries (like the US, for example) have huge intelligence services which spend all day, every day, trying to do just that: discovering everyone else's secrets. This is how the game is played. Some people try to keep secrets, some people try to find them out. Those can't handle their secrets being discovered should probably reconsider their participation in the game -- or perhaps their decision to try to keep a billion secrets spread among several million people. Maybe a thousand secrets spread among 50 people would present a more tractable problem. The parallel, of course, is that we are supposed to believe that if security researcher R does not disclose such-and-such a flaw, that it'll remain hidden from all the other security researchers, some of whom may not be nice people. This is nonsense: they may not be nice people, but that doesn't prevent them from being smart, diligent, resourceful, highly motivated people -- and moreover, they have a very long track record indicating that they're quite capable of independent discovery. (Well, and there are ways to short-cut that: if I were one of the not-so-nice people, one of my approaches would be to try to buy an employee or two at major IT security companies. Sure, I'd hire my own researchers as well, but I'd like to give them an advantage by getting my hands on whatever R is up to this week. That way, it really doesn't matter if R discloses or not -- in fact, I'd prefer R didn't because the information will have more value to me if my competitors don't have it too, and if the pool of people trying to fix the problem is as small as possible.) My point here is that this pretend game is silly. It's a capital mistake to presume one's enemy is stupid and ignorant, merely because they're the enemy. And it's *really* a mistake when the enemy has furnished plenty of evidence that they're actually pretty bright and that they have ways of finding out lots of things. As to the posturing by Joe McCarthLieberman, someone
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
Debateable, I can agree with that, as just about anything can be ;-) Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01580 -Original Message- From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:fergdawgs...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:08 PM To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:36 PM, wrote: > Because this fellow, has US Confidential documents and has given them to > our enemy. That should put him right up there on the most wanted list > for the US. > I think that is certainly debatable. In any event, this is highly relevant: http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-lessons-learned.html FYI, - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFM/qIVq1pz9mNUZTMRAnSjAKC/LP8Y1+FLaWS6iEj2FXSEyA2nZACghxJG 3r/n7CJPoKika+MRIMP3uA0= =4CuA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 And this well thought out piece: http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2010/12/7/4698146.html FYI, - - ferg On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:36 PM, wrote: > >> Because this fellow, has US Confidential documents and has given them to >> our enemy. That should put him right up there on the most wanted list >> for the US. >> > > I think that is certainly debatable. > > In any event, this is highly relevant: > > http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-lessons-learned.html > > FYI, > > - ferg > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFM/qmCq1pz9mNUZTMRAp62AKCvuJnjBbMiw5VcA8jNAoqPo6ivPACguUUc LUGl0m6bqWaecxu6kUkTtUw= =3MnM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:36 PM, wrote: > Because this fellow, has US Confidential documents and has given them to > our enemy. That should put him right up there on the most wanted list > for the US. > I think that is certainly debatable. In any event, this is highly relevant: http://garwarner.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-lessons-learned.html FYI, - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFM/qIVq1pz9mNUZTMRAnSjAKC/LP8Y1+FLaWS6iEj2FXSEyA2nZACghxJG 3r/n7CJPoKika+MRIMP3uA0= =4CuA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawgster(at)gmail.com ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Ned Fleming wrote: > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:10:14 -0500, Jeffrey Walton > wrote: > >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120700721.html >> >>US retribution for the leaks was swift, and the character >>assassination continues: > > Wha? Retribution? Assange turned himself in to the BritCops "by > appointment," I believe the term is. "Since publication of the latest round of documents began last week, pressure has mounted on Assange..." "Assange had said before Tuesday's hearing that he intended to fight extradition to Sweden, where he is being sought for questioning related to allegations of sexual assault against two women" An Interpol warrant for questioning? I'd love to see the same swift execution of justice for Bush and comrades' indictment in Sapin. [1] Jeff [1] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/28/world/main4900114.shtml ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
Because this fellow, has US Confidential documents and has given them to our enemy. That should put him right up there on the most wanted list for the US. The fellow that downloaded and gave him the files, should be shot for treason, as he is a US citizen... Mike B -Original Message- From: Nicolas Braud-Santoni [mailto:nicolas.braudsant...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Braud-Santoni Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 2:49 PM To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) Cc: wo...@pch.net; bra...@jhu.edu; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant Hello, Could you explain me, then, how the fact that the United States are (supposedly) at war has any bearings on a civilian who isn't a US citizen, isn't living in either the United States or the country they are at war with ? Because, if US law had any significance abroad, The Pirate Bay (for example) would have been shut down long ago, seeing how the RIAA is a powerful lobby, has tons of lawyers, and is still whining about piracy ... My two (euro) cents, Nicolas Braud-Santoni Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 14:00 -0500, michael.blanch...@emc.com a écrit : > Wether or not you agree as to WHY we're at war, does not change the fact that > there have been over 3,000 US solders killed, and over US 5118 casualties... > There have been over 5,970 UK casualties and 179 UK deaths (up to > 7/31/09) there have been other untold deaths and casualties from other > nations fighting in this war as well > > You go tell their families that we're not at war... > > Go out to this website and then tell me that we're not at war > http://militarytimes.com/valor/ > http://www.casualty-monitor.org/p/iraq.html > > Regardless of your feelings about the war, we are certainly, AT WAR. This > WikiLeaks moron should be tried by a military tribunal for willfully exposing > US confidential material. The traitor that actually downloaded and gave the > WikiLeaks guy the material should be shot for treason. > > Are we at a time of war, absolutely we are. > Do I agree we should end the war, I sure do. > > Just my 2cents > Mike B ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
This is exactly correct, IMHO. The only people these leaks are "really" news to, are the general public. B :)_S -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:23 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant Y'know, there's a fallacy being propagated here that's quite similar to one pertaining to security bugs and full disclosure debates. Consider nation A. Now consider its ally nation X, its enemy nation Y, and its neutral nation Z. And let's say that the diplomatic communications of nation A with X, Y, and Z (and others, of course) are all published on the Internet by Wikileaks. The presumption being made is that the contents of those communications are all news to X, Y, Z and all those other nations. Now let's presume that Wikileaks never existed. Do you REALLY think that X, Y, Z, and everyone else would not help themselves to any of those communications that they care to? They do have intelligence services, y'know, some of which actually have intelligent people working for them. And while nations X and Z might hesitate to use certain methods, there's really not much reason for nation Y to abstain. I would guess that the right combination of spies, thieves, bribes, wiretaps, malware, seduction, blackmail, flattery, drugs, alcohol, etc. would suffice -- doubly so for low-hanging fruit such as the cables currently being disclosed. A large number of people have access to those, presenting a large attack surface for anyone engaged in human engineering. Now of course we are seeing public pronouncements by nation X and the like that they are shocked, shocked at what we can now all read. Of course we are. They can't very well publicly admit that they've known this stuff all along and had already adjusted policy as necessary. But really, if I were one of the heads of state of nation X (or Y or Z) and my national intelligence service hadn't given me most of this on a silver platter a long time ago, I'd sack my espionage chief before tea-time today and tell my staff to find someone minimally competent. Everyone is aware, I trust, that some of these countries (like the US, for example) have huge intelligence services which spend all day, every day, trying to do just that: discovering everyone else's secrets. This is how the game is played. Some people try to keep secrets, some people try to find them out. Those can't handle their secrets being discovered should probably reconsider their participation in the game -- or perhaps their decision to try to keep a billion secrets spread among several million people. Maybe a thousand secrets spread among 50 people would present a more tractable problem. The parallel, of course, is that we are supposed to believe that if security researcher R does not disclose such-and-such a flaw, that it'll remain hidden from all the other security researchers, some of whom may not be nice people. This is nonsense: they may not be nice people, but that doesn't prevent them from being smart, diligent, resourceful, highly motivated people -- and moreover, they have a very long track record indicating that they're quite capable of independent discovery. (Well, and there are ways to short-cut that: if I were one of the not-so-nice people, one of my approaches would be to try to buy an employee or two at major IT security companies. Sure, I'd hire my own researchers as well, but I'd like to give them an advantage by getting my hands on whatever R is up to this week. That way, it really doesn't matter if R discloses or not -- in fact, I'd prefer R didn't because the information will have more value to me if my competitors don't have it too, and if the pool of people trying to fix the problem is as small as possible.) My point here is that this pretend game is silly. It's a capital mistake to presume one's enemy is stupid and ignorant, merely because they're the enemy. And it's *really* a mistake when the enemy has furnished plenty of evidence that they're actually pretty bright and that they have ways of finding out lots of things. As to the posturing by Joe McCarthLieberman, someone should tell him that there are now over a thousand Wikileaks mirrors. And soon enough there will be 2 Wikileaks and then 5 and then 100 and then... "I guess you all know about tapeworms? Good. Well, what I turned loose in the net yesterday was the...father and mother of all tapeworms... My newest masterpiece--breeds by itself... By now I don't know exactly what there is in the worm. More bits are being added automatically as it works it way to places I never dared g
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
Y'know, there's a fallacy being propagated here that's quite similar to one pertaining to security bugs and full disclosure debates. Consider nation A. Now consider its ally nation X, its enemy nation Y, and its neutral nation Z. And let's say that the diplomatic communications of nation A with X, Y, and Z (and others, of course) are all published on the Internet by Wikileaks. The presumption being made is that the contents of those communications are all news to X, Y, Z and all those other nations. Now let's presume that Wikileaks never existed. Do you REALLY think that X, Y, Z, and everyone else would not help themselves to any of those communications that they care to? They do have intelligence services, y'know, some of which actually have intelligent people working for them. And while nations X and Z might hesitate to use certain methods, there's really not much reason for nation Y to abstain. I would guess that the right combination of spies, thieves, bribes, wiretaps, malware, seduction, blackmail, flattery, drugs, alcohol, etc. would suffice -- doubly so for low-hanging fruit such as the cables currently being disclosed. A large number of people have access to those, presenting a large attack surface for anyone engaged in human engineering. Now of course we are seeing public pronouncements by nation X and the like that they are shocked, shocked at what we can now all read. Of course we are. They can't very well publicly admit that they've known this stuff all along and had already adjusted policy as necessary. But really, if I were one of the heads of state of nation X (or Y or Z) and my national intelligence service hadn't given me most of this on a silver platter a long time ago, I'd sack my espionage chief before tea-time today and tell my staff to find someone minimally competent. Everyone is aware, I trust, that some of these countries (like the US, for example) have huge intelligence services which spend all day, every day, trying to do just that: discovering everyone else's secrets. This is how the game is played. Some people try to keep secrets, some people try to find them out. Those can't handle their secrets being discovered should probably reconsider their participation in the game -- or perhaps their decision to try to keep a billion secrets spread among several million people. Maybe a thousand secrets spread among 50 people would present a more tractable problem. The parallel, of course, is that we are supposed to believe that if security researcher R does not disclose such-and-such a flaw, that it'll remain hidden from all the other security researchers, some of whom may not be nice people. This is nonsense: they may not be nice people, but that doesn't prevent them from being smart, diligent, resourceful, highly motivated people -- and moreover, they have a very long track record indicating that they're quite capable of independent discovery. (Well, and there are ways to short-cut that: if I were one of the not-so-nice people, one of my approaches would be to try to buy an employee or two at major IT security companies. Sure, I'd hire my own researchers as well, but I'd like to give them an advantage by getting my hands on whatever R is up to this week. That way, it really doesn't matter if R discloses or not -- in fact, I'd prefer R didn't because the information will have more value to me if my competitors don't have it too, and if the pool of people trying to fix the problem is as small as possible.) My point here is that this pretend game is silly. It's a capital mistake to presume one's enemy is stupid and ignorant, merely because they're the enemy. And it's *really* a mistake when the enemy has furnished plenty of evidence that they're actually pretty bright and that they have ways of finding out lots of things. As to the posturing by Joe McCarthLieberman, someone should tell him that there are now over a thousand Wikileaks mirrors. And soon enough there will be 2 Wikileaks and then 5 and then 100 and then... "I guess you all know about tapeworms? Good. Well, what I turned loose in the net yesterday was the...father and mother of all tapeworms... My newest masterpiece--breeds by itself... By now I don't know exactly what there is in the worm. More bits are being added automatically as it works it way to places I never dared guess existed... And--no, it can't be killed. It's indefinitely self-perpetuating so long as the net exists. Even if one segment of it is inactivated, a counterpart of the missing portion will remain in store at some other station and the worm will automatically subdivide and send a duplicate head to collect the spare groups and restore them to their proper place." -- John Brunner, "The Shockwave Rider", 1975 ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discu
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
Wether or not you agree as to WHY we're at war, does not change the fact that there have been over 3,000 US solders killed, and over US 5118 casualties... There have been over 5,970 UK casualties and 179 UK deaths (up to 7/31/09) there have been other untold deaths and casualties from other nations fighting in this war as well You go tell their families that we're not at war... Go out to this website and then tell me that we're not at war http://militarytimes.com/valor/ http://www.casualty-monitor.org/p/iraq.html Regardless of your feelings about the war, we are certainly, AT WAR. This WikiLeaks moron should be tried by a military tribunal for willfully exposing US confidential material. The traitor that actually downloaded and gave the WikiLeaks guy the material should be shot for treason. Are we at a time of war, absolutely we are. Do I agree we should end the war, I sure do. Just my 2cents Mike B -Original Message- From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:wo...@pch.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:29 PM To: Brance Amussen Cc: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec); funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant > This "time of war" business is a whole load of B.S.. This Time in the > history of the U.S. is sad, and starting to feel more like occupation than > war. > We're demonstrably not at war, since if we were, Scooter Libby would have been subject to a mandatory death sentence. Yes, irony abounds. -Bill ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
I wouldn't go that far. If you think about it the criminals would be the ones he received the information from. He's simply the messenger. Also, this "time of war" business is a whole load of B.S.. This Time in the history of the U.S. is sad, and starting to feel more like occupation than war. Personally I applaud the work of WikiLeaks. The info is mostly trumped up by the media as info not previously known, when it isnt that hard to find critical infrastructure points simply using the internet, for example. Perhaps this makes it easier, but it wasnt impossible before. We live in a "free" country where info is freely available, the whole notion that security through obscurity is security is exactly what the fear mongers want the public to believe. It's like saying "the terrorist will win." After every sentence, or after reading a fortune cookie (personally I prefer to say "in Bed" at the end of a fortune cookie reading). Now, on with decrypting the "insurance file"! I just hope it isn't a dud, and really is the "Thermonuclear device" it's been purported to be. We in the U.S. have been duped long enough... -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of michael.blanch...@emc.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:43 AM To: noloa...@gmail.com; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant Assange is a clear criminal during a time of war to the USA. He should be tried and prosecuted as a war criminal an a terrorist Back in the day, he'd be hung from the neck until dead We should do that... Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01580 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:10 AM To: FunSec Subject: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120700 721.html US retribution for the leaks was swift, and the character assassination continues: "Assange and his supporters have denied the accusations, calling them part of an elaborate plot to silence WikiLeaks. Since publication of the latest round of documents began last week, the pressure has mounted on Assange, who was being sought internationally on an Interpol warrant, and on WikiLeaks itself, which is in a global battle to keep its financial and distribution system intact." I find it interesting how quickly politicians turn to character assassinations in an attempt to discredit. I suppose its par for the course for a group, whose minds are *collectively* so lazy, that they will choose war rather than diplomacy (violence is an indication of a weak and lazy mind). Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Assange is a clear criminal during a time of war to the USA. He should be > tried and prosecuted as a war criminal an a terrorist > > Back in the day, he'd be hung from the neck until dead We should do > that... No problem, if its applied equally. That would include the economic terrorists on Wall Street, and members of the Congress which took their bribes (err, PAC contributions) to change legislation. It would also include Bush and friends who lied to lead the nation to war in Iraq because Bush arose one morning with a unilateral erection while dreaming about Saddam. Bush and friends actions have cost more soldiers and civilians to die than Bin Laden and friends. Finally, it would also include Barrack Obama since he fraudulently obtained the office by campaigning based on a withdrawal from Iraq. Obama's administration is responsible for the civilian and soldier's lives lost since he took office. Still want to hang'em all by a yard arm? Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:10:14 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120700721.html > >US retribution for the leaks was swift, and the character >assassination continues: Wha? Retribution? Assange turned himself in to the BritCops "by appointment," I believe the term is. The charge? Two Swedish gals were having consensual sex with him, Assange says, and then he got shed of his condom(s) and wanted to pour the raw pork to them, the Swedish H^dLookers said. They weren't interested in any WeeWeeleaks, I guess. He'll be out on bond by 5 o'clock. No one cares about a couple of Swedish whoors. Assange is a self-promoting doofus, who's in way over his head. But he is a strong and active thinker-doofus, not a weak and lazy one. My prediction for 2011: Assange will be extradited to Sweden He will be convicted of a misdemeanor. He will pay a small fine (2 whores? 2 krone.) He will write a book. He will make lots of money. He will retire to a hacienda in Bolivia. Oliver Stone will film his life story. He will spawn a race of mutant Aussie-Bolivians who become the first uberhumans to inhabit another planet. That planet will ultimately dominate the galaxy. And everybody will live happily ever after. The end. So, you can see I'm optimistic. Ned ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
Assange is a clear criminal during a time of war to the USA. He should be tried and prosecuted as a war criminal an a terrorist Back in the day, he'd be hung from the neck until dead We should do that... Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01580 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:10 AM To: FunSec Subject: [funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120700721.html US retribution for the leaks was swift, and the character assassination continues: "Assange and his supporters have denied the accusations, calling them part of an elaborate plot to silence WikiLeaks. Since publication of the latest round of documents began last week, the pressure has mounted on Assange, who was being sought internationally on an Interpol warrant, and on WikiLeaks itself, which is in a global battle to keep its financial and distribution system intact." I find it interesting how quickly politicians turn to character assassinations in an attempt to discredit. I suppose its par for the course for a group, whose minds are *collectively* so lazy, that they will choose war rather than diplomacy (violence is an indication of a weak and lazy mind). Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120700721.html US retribution for the leaks was swift, and the character assassination continues: "Assange and his supporters have denied the accusations, calling them part of an elaborate plot to silence WikiLeaks. Since publication of the latest round of documents began last week, the pressure has mounted on Assange, who was being sought internationally on an Interpol warrant, and on WikiLeaks itself, which is in a global battle to keep its financial and distribution system intact." I find it interesting how quickly politicians turn to character assassinations in an attempt to discredit. I suppose its par for the course for a group, whose minds are *collectively* so lazy, that they will choose war rather than diplomacy (violence is an indication of a weak and lazy mind). Jeff ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
