Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:30:35 PDT, "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" said: > OK, ten bucks says they tear the fabric of the universe apart, and then can't > figure > out how to stitch it together again. (You ever notice that these "biggest in > the > world" things never seem to have a woman on staff?) "It will cause the mysterious particles of matter and antimatter thought to make up a vacuum to be pulled apart, allowing scientists to detect the tiny electrical charges they produce." *yawn*. Pair production. Hawking radiation in the lab. ;) The only really big question is whether pair production from vacuum energy is qualitatively different from pair production from an energy source like a gamma ray. I'm not concerned - they say this is 200 times bigger than any current laser system. Meanwhile, we're bombarded every day with cosmic rays that are several *billion* times more powerful than the interactions at the LHC and after 4.5 billion years the planet is still here. > Five bucks says they create a new universe, and the inhabitants of said > universe, > running at billions of times our time frame, evolve quickly into a race of > super- > intelligent beings, and, depressed by the futility of existence, come and > destroy us > in retaliation for having created them. "For thousands more years the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across---which happened to be Earth---where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog." Even if they detonate their entire universe into a matter-antimatter explosion, they've only got a fraction of a milligram of mass in our universe to play with (tops). And even a small Hiroshima-sized bomb converts about 1 gram to energy (do the math - 1 gram gets you about a 21.5kt explosion). So blowing up a milligram of mass will be about the same as 200 pounds of TNT. Will screw up the lab, but probably not us - we've spent a decade doing that much exploding every minute in Iraq and Afganistan and there's still people there. pgpWhM3xWYxEN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On 10/31/11 10:46 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Five bucks says they create a new universe, and the inhabitants of said universe, running at billions of times our time frame, evolve quickly into a race of super- intelligent beings, and, depressed by the futility of existence, come and destroy us in retaliation for having created them. Even if they detonate their entire universe into a matter-antimatter explosion, they've only got a fraction of a milligram of mass in our universe to play with (tops). And even a small Hiroshima-sized bomb converts about 1 gram to energy (do the math - 1 gram gets you about a 21.5kt explosion). So blowing up a milligram of mass will be about the same as 200 pounds of TNT. Will screw up the lab, but probably not us - we've spent a decade doing that much exploding every minute in Iraq and Afganistan and there's still people there. But as they can choose WHEN to enter our universe, their bomb can be TARGETED to make sure the original amino-acids which created life on earth won't meet due to mixing up their schedule. The dust thrown at us can land on a butterfly's wing which will wave then cause it to wave furiously creating a 1 nano-gram equivalent of wind force, initiating a chain of events that made a dinosaur sneeze. Oh, wait. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:37:40 +0200, Gadi Evron said: > But as they can choose WHEN to enter our universe, A dubious proposition at best - they're pretty much restricted to entering the space-time cone of the lab *after* the experiment. If they can go back in time, that creates all the usual time-travel paradoxes. pgpypTxHcelwB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On 11/1/11 5:42 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:37:40 +0200, Gadi Evron said: But as they can choose WHEN to enter our universe, A dubious proposition at best - they're pretty much restricted to entering the space-time cone of the lab *after* the experiment. If they can go back in time, that creates all the usual time-travel paradoxes. Not necessarily, this is uncharted territory. Their Universe may answer to different laws of physics, and be independent of our own. Then gain, they may not care if they are destroyed too. Gadi. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:49:19 +0200, Gadi Evron said: > Not necessarily, this is uncharted territory. Their Universe may answer > to different laws of physics, and be independent of our own. But their entry point has to obey the laws of physics in *this* universe. pgpvPtsBkb1D9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On 01/11/2011 17:12, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:49:19 +0200, Gadi Evron said: Not necessarily, this is uncharted territory. Their Universe may answer to different laws of physics, and be independent of our own. But their entry point has to obey the laws of physics in *this* universe. Unless *their* universe engulfs *ours*, like a phagocyte digests bacteria. During that process, our laws "flip" to their laws. Ciao! Remo ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] There are some things man was not meant to meddle with ...
On 11/1/11 6:47 PM, Remo Cornali wrote: On 01/11/2011 17:12, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:49:19 +0200, Gadi Evron said: Not necessarily, this is uncharted territory. Their Universe may answer to different laws of physics, and be independent of our own. But their entry point has to obey the laws of physics in *this* universe. Unless *their* universe engulfs *ours*, like a phagocyte digests bacteria. During that process, our laws "flip" to their laws. But then our universe can be of a viral nature, creating semi-random fluctuations in the laws of physics -- magic? Besides, time is not linear. It's more of a "timey whimeu thing". ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
