Re: Getting Something for Nothing

1999-07-19 Thread Thomas Lunde



Dear Tom:

I have read this quote several times.  Not easy to grasp the essentials but
as I read it, the author is saying that the whole concept of wages for
labour is based on a fallacy - that it cannot be so!

The reason, as I grok it, is that the energy it takes to maintain a human
life exceeds the amount of productivity that a persons labour will produce.

The conclusion is that until we add in the externalities of the "free"
energy which is more or less equally distributed on the Earth's surface as a
fact, whether the life in question is a billionare or a panhandler, the
concept of wages for labour is a shell game.

Can I take this to mean that in a "true" economic system, a Basic Income of
the equivalent free energy is given to every human being?  And following
from that any additional productivity can then be added to this monetized
Basic Income so that those who produce something recieve additional too
their Basic Income.

Rather than the current situation as basically advocated by the neo-con
mindset that if you don't work, you starve.  In other words he is saying no
one starves because everyone gets their share and some reduced amount who
chose to devote time to producing goods and services then get more.

In essence, then, this monetary payment for free energy would be added into
every product or service and that sum would be set aside to pay the Basic
Income?  As I said, this is not easy to grasp in reality, though I like his
debunking of the current explanations.

Help me out Tom,

Thomas Lunde
> GETTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING
>
> "In the distribution to the public of the products of industry, the failure
> of the present system is the direct result of the faulty premise upon which
> it is based. This is: that somehow a man is able by his personal services to
> render to society the equivalent of what he receives, from which it follows
> that the distribution to each shall be in accordance with the services
> rendered and that those who do not work must not eat. This is what our
> propagandists call `the impossibility of getting something for nothing.'
>
> "Aside from the fact that only by means of the sophistries of lawyers and
> economists can it be explained how, on this basis, those who do nothing at
> all frequently receive the largest shares of the national income, the simple
> fact is that it is impossible for any man to contribute to the social system
> the physical equivalent of what it costs that system to maintain him from
> birth till death -- and the higher the physical standard of living the
> greater is this discrepancy. This is because man is an engine operating
> under the limitations of the same physical laws as any other engine. The
> energy that it takes to operate him is several times as much as any amount
> of work he can possibly perform. If, in addition to his food, he receives
> also the products of modern industry, this is due to the fact that material
> and energy resources happen to be available and, as compared with any
> contribution he can make, constitute a free gift from heaven.
>
> "Stated more specifically, it costs the social system on the North American
> Continent the energy equivalent to nearly 10 tons of coal per year to
> maintain one man at the average present standard of living, and no
> contribution he can possibly make in terms of the energy conversion of his
> individual effort will ever repay the social system the cost of his social
> maintenance. It is not to be wondered at, therefore, that a distributive
> mechanism based upon so rank a fallacy should fail to distribute; the marvel
> is that it has worked as well as it has.
>
> "Since any human being, regardless of his personal contribution, is a social
> dependent with respect to the energy resources upon which society operates,
> and since every operation within a given society is effected at the cost of
> a degradation of an available supply of energy, this energy degradation,
> measured in appropriate physical units such as kilowatt-hours, constitutes
> the common physical cost of all social operations. Since also the
> energy-cost of maintaining a human being exceeds by a large amount his
> ability to repay, we can abandon the fiction that what one is to receive is
> in payment for what one has done, and recognize that what we are really
> doing is utilizing the bounty that nature has provided us. Under these
> circumstances we recognize that we all are getting something for nothing,
> and the simplest way of effecting distribution is on a basis of equality,
> especially so when it is considered that production can be set equal to the
> limit of our capacity to consume, commensurate with adequate conservation of
> our physical resources."
> regards,
>
> Tom Walker
> http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/worksite.htm
> 



Re: Getting Something for Nothing

1999-07-19 Thread Tom Walker

Thomas,

It looks like you grasped Hubbert's basic idea. My sense is that what
Hubbert is saying is much easier to grasp than to keep together. His
prescription follows logically from his diagnosis even though his diagnosis
implies that the whole system (of production/distribution) is based on a
fallacy. That is sort of like printing up written instruction leaflets on
"how to read" -- those who can follow the instructions don't need them and
those who need them can't follow the instructions.

I think Hubbert's critique of the "you can't get something for nothing"
ideology is dead on. What the propagandists *really* mean is "YOU can't get
something, but WE can!" And, of course, they do. 

It seems that just getting something for nothing under the rules of the game
isn't enough for some of them, they have to steal even more -- witness the
conveniently forgotten BCCI scandal. A court judgement last month for $1.16
billion against former Saudi intelligence boss, Sheik Abdul Raouf Khalil,
for his part in the embezzlement of $10 billion didn't even show up on the
media radar screen. IT'S NOT NEWS THAT THE SUPER RICH STEAL.

How do they get away with it? Because people making $30,000, $40,000 or
$50,000 a year don't want to admit that they couldn't have even as much as
they do have if left ENTIRELY to their own devices. The proud fantasy that
"I worked hard to earn everything I've got" keeps away the uncomfortable
fact of our radical social dependency. (And it insults lots of people who
worked even harder and don't have f-all to show for it).

The traditional Marxist argument about exploitation of the workers feeds
into the illusion. According to the traditional argument, the workers
produce even MORE value than they receive in wages. That WAS part of Marx's
argument, but it was for capitalism, an economic system that has been
supplanted by the direct application of science and technology to industry,
which is also part of Marx's argument.

What I'm trying to say -- albeit impressionistically -- is that getting from
Hubbert's diagnostic "A" to his prescriptive "B" is a lot harder than the
logical bee line he pursues. One can imagine a psycho-analyst shaking his
patient by the shoulders, shouting, "Can't you see? It's all a neurotic
obsession brought on by repressed erotic impulses toward your unresponsive
father! Get over it, man! Get a life! Remember!"

Thomas Lunde wrote:

>I have read this quote several times.  Not easy to grasp the essentials but
>as I read it, the author is saying that the whole concept of wages for
>labour is based on a fallacy - that it cannot be so!
>
>The reason, as I grok it, is that the energy it takes to maintain a human
>life exceeds the amount of productivity that a persons labour will produce.
>
>The conclusion is that until we add in the externalities of the "free"
>energy which is more or less equally distributed on the Earth's surface as a
>fact, whether the life in question is a billionare or a panhandler, the
>concept of wages for labour is a shell game.
>
>Can I take this to mean that in a "true" economic system, a Basic Income of
>the equivalent free energy is given to every human being?  And following
>from that any additional productivity can then be added to this monetized
>Basic Income so that those who produce something recieve additional too
>their Basic Income.
>
>Rather than the current situation as basically advocated by the neo-con
>mindset that if you don't work, you starve.  In other words he is saying no
>one starves because everyone gets their share and some reduced amount who
>chose to devote time to producing goods and services then get more.
>
>In essence, then, this monetary payment for free energy would be added into
>every product or service and that sum would be set aside to pay the Basic
>Income?  As I said, this is not easy to grasp in reality, though I like his
>debunking of the current explanations.
>
>Help me out Tom,
regards,

Tom Walker
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/worksite.htm