we have seen DEE HOCK at last years STATE OF THE WORLD FORUM
and have asked KEN WILBER on his FORUM and QUESTION board repeatedly
about sources, so far to not avail.
As I am not in the habit of getting tired,
instead I ask again and again,
and this time want to share with you my latest asking for an answer from
KEN WILBER.
All the matters you raise in review of Theobalds last message are too
imported to be only see in fragments..
Heiner
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my last message to KEN WILBERS forum:
http://www.shambhala.com/forums/wilber/index.shtml
Dear Ken,
I receive messages like the one below often. They refer to you and
holarchies but I am a little concerned when i do not get answeres from
you when I ask you directly why youa re not tracing back beyond TAYLOR
and Why you mentioned Jan SMUTS only in EYE to EYE but never again in
later publications.
Can you or anyone else help?
Heiner
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from: Re: Theobald's Latest Message
I presume they refer to Dee Hock's non-hierarchical
"management-by-a-group-of-equals" structure (chaos/order) see
http://www.cascadepolicy.org/dee_hock
http://www.funderstanding.com/mailing1.htm
Similar structure is proposed by Wilber/Koestler as "holarchical", being
the "management structure" that the "most complex holon", the human
being,
runs by -- see "Brief History of Everything" etc:
http://www.shambhala.com/wilber
They have similar effect, in my opinion, to the Co-operative structure
of
Mondragon, and the Direct Democracy structure brought about by
"citizen-initiated binding referendum"
*
from Heiner:
I am so free to give some references to help you bundle your thoughts
and would love you to read the messages addressed directly to you.
Heiner Benking
see:
http://ceptualinstitute.com/genre/benking/holismsmuts.htm
and
http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/seminar.html
we have covered you extensively in teh WHOLENESS SEMINAR (so we are very
fond ofg your ideas) but still :
ken, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER to my QUESTION after reading this!?:
http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/asem09js.html
http://www.newciv.org/ISSS_Primer/asem03sd.html
Colin Stark wrote:
At 04:56 PM 11/20/98 -1000, Jay Hanson wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Caspar Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The other question is whether the upswing in energy around Y2K and
funddamental change will lead to attempts of various
people/organizations to centralize energy flows or whether we shall
be
wise enough to set up decentralized/chaordic structures.
What's "decentralized/chaordic structures"?
I presume they refer to Dee Hock's non-hierarchical
"management-by-a-group-of-equals" structure (chaos/order) see
http://www.cascadepolicy.org/dee_hock
http://www.funderstanding.com/mailing1.htm
Similar structure is proposed by Wilber/Koestler as "holarchical",
being
the "management structure" that the "most complex holon", the human
being,
runs by -- see "Brief History of Everything" etc:
http://www.shambhala.com/wilber
They have similar effect, in my opinion, to the Co-operative structure
of
Mondragon, and the Direct Democracy structure brought about by
"citizen-initiated binding referendum"
What problem do they solve?
hierarchy/dictatorship problems
Colin Stark
Jay
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