Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

1999-03-02 Thread Eva Durant

(Thomas:)
It was the last sentence that resonated within me.  I have long felt that we
deny ourselves one of our birthrights - indolence and unemployment.  I enjoy
immensely - doing little or nothing and I enjoy immensely - the pleasure of
following my impulses.  Work and employment destroy those natural human
attributes and make them into leisure activities that can only be indulged
in after worshipping at the alter of employment.  Biologically, I think we
are not workers, but livers of life.  I for one, welcome a future of leisure
and indolence.
...


I wonder what you mean by doing nothing.
Reading, arguing on the internet (education
and educating) used to be classified as work, even
if some people enjoyed it.
Some people get paid for doing physical
or mental exercise.
Spending time with your loved ones is part of
looking after their physical/mental well-being -
that is defined as work rhese days.

I suppose sitting in front of the telly
without any communication to other humans
or snoozing under the sun in the garden
or just sleeping all the time counts as
doing nothing, but I haven't yet met people
who could do these exclusively.

Eva



Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

1999-03-01 Thread Bob McDaniel

Brian McAndrews wrote:

 As I've mentioned before on this list, all of Ivan Illich's books (eg.
 Deschooling Society, Medical Nemesis, Shadow Work, Tools for Conviviality,
 ..)
 would enlighten our discussions. Pertinent to this thread I'd suggest
 Illich's 'The Right to Useful Unemployment and its Professional Enemies'.


Quite. Read most of 'em. A couple of relevant URLs are:

The Abolition of Work http://wickedmoon.com/abolish.txt
Idle Theory
http://freespace.virgin.net/chris.davis/idle/evolution/human/index.html

On the other hand, there's a Biblical view:

Some thoughts on idleness: http://www.ronan.net/~montexn/idleness.html

Bob


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