Re: [Futurework] money, currencies and Gaia

2007-09-05 Thread Charles Brass
Natalia

You are such a believer in the power of Gaia.  Perhaps you are right, and 
there is nothing for us to do and mother Gaia has already decided whether we 
survive or not.

However, I prefer to believe myself to be a functioning part of Gaia, and 
hence think I have an obligation to do what I can in 'the right direction'. 
And with respect to money I believe that this means looking much more 
closely at the assumptions that underpin our money practices, deciding which 
ones are helping and which ones are hurting and moving to assuage the hurt.

Hence, my interest in community currencies which are much much more than 
many people realise.  When done properly, they are actually a new way of 
dealing with wealth, value and money in the world - and a much needed way.

However, they aren't even enough by themselves.  What is needed is to create 
the infrastructure through which they can become mainstream - and that's 
altogether another problem.

But when we get that right, we will have discovered new ways to think about 
how to get done what needs doing and how to ensure that those who do it can 
survive in the world (which is another way of saying we will have created a 
new world of work).

thanks for keeping the dialogue open

regards


Charles Brass
Chairman
futures foundation
phone:1300 727328
(International 61 3 9459 0244)
fax: 61 3 9459 0344
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the mission of the futures foundation is:
...to engage all Australians in creating a better future...
- Original Message - 
From: Darryl or Natalia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: [Futurework] money, currencies and Gaia


 Hi Charles, Ed, and All Members still interested in money,

 Just downloaded six weeks worth of mail after installing a new computer
 tower, hence the very late reply.

 Your last e-mail, Charles, which I quote only in part below, urges me to
 say that optimists are not necessarily required to come up with all
 solutions to the world's problems. It suffices that they give a damn,
 and speak up. They are hardly expected to resurrect that which never had
 a clear pulse to begin with.

 I very much relate to systems of local currencies for the reasons you
 cite, but fail to appreciate how invoking the perfect currency system
 will be applied to our chaotic systems of creating money/wealth. In
 other words, we need an honest system, reflective of real value in the
 creation of money -- for the perfect currency system to take roots and
 mean anything..

 Think of the way in which governments grant leaseholds and rights to
 industry to exploit natural resources owned by the nation, who is taxed
 in order to support corporate startup and operational costs. Big money
 gets rights to the wealth of the world, but the people who pay the taxes
 to support this practice get less than nothing in return. This
 government assisted investment class is quite exposed, yet even proving
 such activity as price gauging at the gas pump fails to result in any
 kind of redress. The privileged have ensured that the laws protect their
 powers. Waiting for these leaseholds and exploration rights to expire,
 then not renewing them unless on sustainable and equitable terms is one
 optimistic view of making amends, but most resources have been signed
 off for 50-100 year terms, as far as I know. This leaves little room for
 change, as you pointed out in an overview of Gaia's predicament, that
 can have effect in time for any correction by legislation..

 I am counting on Gaia to correct the situation shortly. The Northwest
 Passage is now clear enough for a sail from Tokyo to Boston. Arctic ice
 typically melts into mid September, such that next year's permanent ice
 will be much reduced. A total summer melt is forecast for 2030. With
 these kinds of forces at play, I doubt we need bother about ideal
 economic systems that accommodate flawed values, monetary and otherwise.

 Once natural corrections temper, having displaced most destructive
 industry and activity, local currency systems will likely be the only
 kind to have meaning or effect. Hopefully, the internet will survive to
 spread word of sustainable practices for all activity.

 Thanks for your last reply,
 Natalia

 All of the 'missing money' you refer to below arises because of the way we
 have
 commodified money and allow people to manipulate its supply for their
 personal
 gain.

 Hence, my interest in creating systems which, while they may not be able
 to
 entirely avoid human greed, at least ensure that the greedy are much more
 visible and accountable - ie community created and managed currencies.


 So, at its core, I hope my interest does not exclude your passionate 
 calls
 for
 us to be more sustainable about our use of Gaia's resources.


 Charles Brass







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Re: [Futurework] Four sentences and a request

2007-08-16 Thread Charles Brass
Gail

Thanks for the opportunity, and I really appreciate the difficulty of getting 
these ideas into a coherent form.  I share Mike Spencer's frustration with the 
construction of the sentences, but as I have struggled for over ten years to 
get these ideas across, I can empathise with your group.  I should say that I 
don't share Mike's contraction of your last sentence.  I don't see what you are 
struggling to describe as being some sort of return to small village life, I 
see it as a reinvention of some of the good parts of that life in a 21st 
century context. I do think he has done a somewhat admirable job in contracting 
the first three sentences, and I repeat his versions below.  But I don't think 
he has captured enough of the intent, so I am going to make a few more comments 
below his three.

 1.   The world is unstable and the future promises to be chaotic,
   yet we find it hard to believe it can get any worse than it already is
   though it very well may.

  2.   We have to learn to do necessary and useful stuff for
   ourselves, invest in the tools to to it; do it for ourselves;
   do it for or with our neighbors when or as appropriate; and
   encourage our neighbors to reciprocate.

  3.   See 2.  Doing this will make us happier and better off in
   general, especially if all our friends and neighbors do the
   same.

Mike focuses on the doing necessary and useful stuff for ourselves aspect of 
your four paragraphs.  I think your conception goes beyond that (and you try to 
reflect that in your paragraphs, which is why they do become so convoluted).  
What you are trying to capture, I believe, might be approached from the 
scarcity/abundance frame.  If you believe that work or jobs are scarce  - 
both in the absolute sense and in the sense that 'good jobs' or 'good work' is 
scarce - then what we currently do makes sense.

If you believe, however, in abundance - then our systems might organise 
themselves so that people can make and do what makes sense to them and their 
current circumstances, confident in the knowledge that if their attitudes or 
circumstances change they can move to something else which now makes sense to 
them.

If we could capture this in Mike's first three sentences I think we would have 
made an improvement, and I would try to capture your fourth by saying:

4.and if we do this we will all feel as though everything we do in our 
lives, including all of our work, provides meaning to us, to those with whom we 
interact and to the world.




regards


Charles Brass
Chairman
futures foundation
phone:1300 727328
(International 61 3 9459 0244)
fax: 61 3 9459 0344
PO Box 122
Fairfield3078
www.futuresfoundation.org.au

the mission of the futures foundation is:
...to engage all Australians in creating a better future...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gail Stewart 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:12 AM
  Subject: [Futurework] Four sentences and a request


  Hello FWers,

  This may be a bit much to ask (and indeed is half in jest) but I would very 
much welcome help from the members of this list.

  I find myself, among others, having promised to produce four sentences (and 
no more than four sentences) for a group that is thinking about the future of  
work and is looking for practical proposals.

  The deadline hasn't quite arrived and meanwhile any comments on the following 
four sentences would be greatly appreciated. 

  Thanks in advance,

  Gail

  Four Sentences:


  1. The current bimodal character of projections of the future -- on the one 
hand densely urban, high tech and widely networked (in short, more of the same, 
intensified and accelerated), on the other hand environmental and energy 
disruptions, population crashes, smaller communities and much hand labour -- 
makes it difficult to project the future of work and discern appropriate 
educational and other personal and public policies.

   

  2. However, given this high uncertainty about the perhaps not-so-distant 
future in which any one of us might find ourselves (whether conditions of 
flood, famine, or fortune; among friends or isolated in disoriented crowds of 
strangers; scratching a living from the soil or living securely and 
well-informed in a world of agricultural surplus and discretionary 
expenditures), it appears that the focus on the future of work might perhaps 
most viably and sensibly be on the self-organizing and entrepreneurial 
capacities of the individual person rather than on large collectivities of 
workers such as are often envisioned, e.g., the labour force, and 
furthermore, in such circumstances, that the issue of the future of work and 
practical proposals for it might most effectively be addressed as an issue of 
risk management. 

   

  3. Emphasis on the competent self-organizing individual facing an uncertain 
future might suggest children lovingly nurtured and schoolchildren supported in 
learning

[Futurework] Different kinds of money

2007-07-13 Thread Charles Brass
Arthur referred to the comments made by Verdon to my post on alternative 
money.  Somehow I lost this post and didn't properly acknowledge it.  It is 
reproduced in full below, and I apologise to Verdon.

Arthur is entirely correct. Verdon does much which is useful in his 
exploration the role and nature of money.

He correctly suggests that money began as something which was intrinsically 
valuable in its own right.  Notwithstanding this, however, money was always 
a measure against which the value of one item could be compared with another 
(ie wheat compared with shoes, not wheat compared with the particular unit 
which comprised money in that society and then shoes compared with the money 
unit).

The reason this is important, as Verdon goes on to imply, is that anything 
can represent money - so long as those who use it as money agree that it is 
valuable and will exchange it for whatever they have or want.

Verdon then goes on to point out the inherent subjectivity of any human 
measurement - and that applies to money whether the unit of money is 
intrinsically valuable or not.

In the modern world of money we pretend that this subjectivity doesn't exist 
by quoting official looking exchange rates on the evening news (much as 
Verdon points out that we pretend objectivity in Olympic diving by having 
multiple judges).

However, all decisions about money are subjective - ie they are about trust. 
Hence, Verdon and Arthur are right, anything can be money - but the key 
issue is what is it about anything which is chosen as money which might make 
people believe in its value.

The reason why I go on about this is simply that most of us most of the time 
forget the criticality of the trust which underpins our entire monetary 
system.  Or at least, we choose to forget it because otherwise we would have 
to deal with it.

Those in control of our current money systems are hell bent on making a 
profit from them (ergo the Zimbabwe experience in which the despot is 
attempting to manipulate money to his advantage, and seems to be failing).

Many of us feel dissatisfied by the current system (though usually for 
different reasons, which is why it is so hard to get a real discussion 
going) - I have long concluded that it can't be reformed short of the sort 
of disastrous revolution which I have devoted the past twelve years of my 
live to avoiding.

Hence, I am interested in how small groups of people might come together to 
agree that something outside the conventional dollar might be their 
'currency' and how  a multiplicity of such decisions might increase the 
likelihood that 'currency' was put to a better use.

Ultimately, this is all because I despair that the current economic system 
is capable of providing work for all who want it - and I hope (and believe) 
that this issue might be successfully tackled through the creation of a 
network of community currencies which operate 'below the radar' of the 
conventional system.

Thanks to Arthur and Verdon for encouraging me to think this through.


Charles Brass
Chairman
futures foundation
phone:1300 727328
(International 61 3 9459 0244)
fax: 61 3 9459 0344
PO Box 122
Fairfield3078
www.futuresfoundation.org.au

the mission of the futures foundation is:
...to engage all Australians in creating a better future...



I thought the contribution by Verdon was of interest.

If I have it right he seemed to be saying: To have a trial project where 
contributions are valued and rewarded with money.  Not a strict wage for 
labour system but, rather, payment for contributions that are valued by the 
broader community.  This could be part of a guaranteed annual income trial 
as well.

The trick will be to get consensus on what is valued and gets to define it.

Verdon Said:
I have spent sometime thinking about this. In many ways I don't think money 
is the root of the problem, rather it is the particular economic system that 
we have created in the last few hundred years that is the problem
- specifically the structure by which we can gain access to money - which is 
generally selling our labour. My theory of money -
a story of value, a medium of exchange, a number system.

Money used to be a concrete intrinsically valuable thing - gold, silver 
(other metals). There were cultures/societies that had a form of money  that 
was not intrinsically valuable (wampum, shells, even Gengis Khan 
developed/extended the use of paper money, etc). But for the sake of brevity 
this first proposition is accurate enough.

At some point money became a concrete symbol for something intrinsically 
valuable - coins (worth more than the metal they contained), paper, etc.

Later money became a concrete symbol for a promise of value (e.g. paper and 
coin no longer backed by gold).

Now the majority of money is no longer concrete, rather the majority of 
money is epheral and electronic bits.

The subjective perception of Value
A beanie babe at $5.99 is the same beanie baby even if it sells

[Futurework] Different kinds of money

2007-07-12 Thread Charles Brass
Something I said a week or so ago prompted a couple of people to write about 
money - and to talk about inflation in Zimbabwe and other places.

What they replied was interesting, but did not reflect on what I was trying 
to say - which was that we are condemned to use money as the medium through 
which we exchange to receive what we need to live.

And I wondered whether there might not be other ways to think about money, 
to create money, and to exchange money which might improve the way the world 
actually works.

If we can't do this, I despair for our future.



Charles Brass
Chairman
futures foundation
phone:1300 727328
(International 61 3 9459 0244)
fax: 61 3 9459 0344
PO Box 122
Fairfield3078
www.futuresfoundation.org.au

the mission of the futures foundation is:
...to engage all Australians in creating a better future...
- Original Message - 
From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Futurework] Money, money, money?


I may be revealing my longstanding affinity with dinosaurs here, but I
 remember that a very long time ago I encountered the Quantity Theory of
 Money in Economics 101.  The basic formula for the theory is MV=PT, where 
 M
 is the quantity of money in circulation, V is its rate of circulation, P 
 is
 the average price of all transactions, and T is the volume of transactions
 occurring during one period (all according to the very ancient 
 macroeconomic
 textbook I still have on my shelves).

 What may have happened since ancient times(and here I'm speculating), say
 fifty years ago, is that the nature of some of the variables may have
 changed quite radically (or at least very considerably).  A long time ago, 
 T
 would have consisted largely of goods and some services.  Nowadays, it 
 would
 still consist of goods, but the services part has increased hugely over
 previous volumes.  And by services, I don't only mean seeing a lawyer or a
 doctor.  I mean a very large increase in the kinds of paper people are
 trading and selling to each other, stocks, bonds, funds of various kinds,
 derivatives, etc.  Instead of consisting mostly of the ploddy things you 
 buy
 at the store, T has become a rapidly spinning maelstrom of investment
 certificates and because T is spinning rapidly, so is V.  M and P need not
 necessarily increase, but of course they have too.  M consists of 
 something
 you can put in your pocket, like coins or paper, and credit.  What seems 
 to
 have happened over the last few decades is that the credit part of it has
 increased greatly via instruments such as credit cards, mortgages and 
 other
 methods of borrowing.  With increases in M, V and T have come increases in
 P.  What has probably not kept pace is something we might call W, wages or
 personal incomes, a matter which, if true, could pose some pretty big
 problems for people that are fulfilling their dreams on credit.

 There, I've said it as plainly as I can, perhaps having revealed that I'm
 nothing more than a dinosaur.

 Ed


 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Futurework] Futurework Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19


 Money, money, money?

 I have spent sometime thinking about this. In many ways I don't think
 money is the root of the problem, rather it is the particular economic
 system that we have created in the last few hundred years that is the
 problem - specifically the structure by which we can gain access to
 money - which is generally selling our labour.

 My theory of money - a story of value, a medium of exchange, a number
 system.

 Money used to be a concrete intrinsically valuable thing - gold, silver
 (other metals). There were cultures/societies that had a form of money
 that was not intrinsically valuable (wampum, shells, even Gengis Khan
 developed/extended the use of paper money, etc). But for the sake of
 brevity this first proposition is accurate enough.

 At some point money became a concrete symbol for something intrinsically
 valuable - coins (worth more than the metal they contained), paper, etc.

 Later money became a concrete symbol for a promise of value (e.g. paper
 and coin no longer backed by gold).

 Now the majority of money is no longer concrete, rather the majority of
 money is epheral and electronic bits.

 The subjective perception of Value
 A beanie babe at $5.99 is the same beanie baby even if it sells for
 $14.99. What makes the difference?

 An Olympic judge holding a score of 7.9 versus one holding up a score of
 9.8. We don't actually know if the score of 7.9 is actually a higher 
 score
 because the judge is a better and more experienced judge, we overcome the
 inaccessible assessment of the subjective perception of value by 
 accepting
 the illusion of precision that a number system provides. The number 
 system
 becomes a means of exchange.

 Money is theoretically meant

Re: [Futurework] This list

2007-07-03 Thread Charles Brass
I have been part of this list for over 10 years, and basically have stopped 
reading almost all posts.

I remain passionately interested in the future, and in particular the future 
of work, but much of what travels through this list is, by my measure, very 
wide of the mark.

A couple of years ago Arthur experimented with a week long 'tutorial' 
session which I lead (and hence I guess it is obvious that I enjoyed it) but 
it too attracted both relatively little interest and quite some dogma (I 
still have every email posted during the session, however, and still refer 
to them in some of the work I do).

I am not sure what might be done to return to our roots, but I for one would 
welcome the return.

Thanks Lawry for sparking this post.


Charles Brass
Chairman
futures foundation
phone:1300 727328
(International 61 3 9459 0244)
fax: 61 3 9459 0344
PO Box 122
Fairfield3078
www.futuresfoundation.org.au

the mission of the futures foundation is:
...to engage all Australians in creating a better future...
- Original Message - 
From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: [Futurework] This list


 Greetings everyone,

 Since Mike posted this message a couple of weeks ago I have been thinking
 quite a bit about this list and the state that it is in.

 Mike mentions one problem, and I think we have several besides this one.

 I've been a member for several years, and I have never seen the list as 
 dead
 as it is now. There is very little that passes for conversation, and very
 little genuine exploration or learning going on.

 We have always had a problem straying from the nominal subject of the 
 list,
 the future of work. But we have always had vibrant discussions, until 
 these
 last many months.

 Karen is carrying on valiantly with her Casey Reports, but receives no
 feedback and little thanks.

 Harry and Chris doggedly pursue their pseudo-discussions with 
 argumentative,
 unwavering, and repetitive self-righteousness.

 We have obviously lost many valued members in the last couple of years, 
 and
 it is with sadness that I think of their brilliance, energy, bonhomie,
 curiosity and knowledge.  Some of these have explicitly or privately
 referred to Chris and Harry as the cause of their departure.

 The moderators of this list, the list-owners, seem by their silence to
 accept the deterioration of the list.

 Who else misses the qualities that we created here some time ago?

 And if I and Mike are not alone in missing them, what should we do to 
 bring
 this list back up.

 The moderators may well tell me that I am overstepping my place with this
 email, in which case I will happily follow my friends over the horizon and
 disappear.

 If this happens, those of you who know that I enjoy and learn from your
 postings, and who may from time to time enjoy mine, please make note of my
 email address in the header to this message, and please know that you will
 ALWAYS be in my heart and your contacts will always be deeply welcomed by
 me.

 To those who are only lurking here, if you too wish for a day in which
 vibrant conversations might again prevail, I would love to hear from you 
 as
 well.

 And, finally, a desperate request: if any of you are engaged in 
 constructive
 and convivial discussions in other fora and might welcome my 
 participation,
 please email me

 Cheers,
 Lawry



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Spencer
 Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:13 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Futurework] [META] Re: Bill Gates,Rockefellers  Africa's
 biopiracy


 Hello all --

 I dropped off the FutureWork list a couple of years ago, not only
 because Harry was trolling [1] the list, trying to provoke
 opportunities for his condescending barbs and his
 free-market-cures-all polemics but as well because all the other
 bright folks on the list were politely responding to him as if his
 posts were mature and sensible contributions and his jibes and
 provocations were unintentional oversights.

 I quite missed the dialog so now I've subscribed again and, oh dear,
 oh dear, what do I find?  That Harry is still trolling for arguments,
 intentionally provoking them and pointlessly prolonging them.  It's a
 bit reassuring that others are no longer tolerating his provocations
 with good grace in the interest of decorum.  On the other hand,
 allowing the list discourse to degenerate into the kind of shouting
 match that makes Harry feel righteous and important is not a big win,
 either.

 I would hesitate to suggest that the list owner(s) bar Harry from the
 list but perhaps it would be constructive to simply ignore all of his
 posts that are devoid of redeeming value or which serve chiefly as a
 launching platform for his belligerent rhetoric.  Harry's skill is
 an ability to be so irritating that one feels compelled to respond.
 Suppressing that compulsion might

Re: [Futurework] The future of education

2005-06-22 Thread Charles Brass



Keith

Let's get out timing right.
I am arguing that 20 years ago auto workers were by and large unskilled 
and that over the past 20 years their numbers have reduced significantly, but 
that those who are left are vastly more skilled and better 
paid.And I know that first hand, I used to work on the Ford 
production line as a foreman.



Charles BrassChairmanfutures foundationphone:1300 
727328(International 61 3 9459 0244)fax: 61 3 9459 0344PO Box 
122Fairfield 3078www.futuresfoundation.org.au

the mission of the futures foundation is:"...to engage all Australians 
in creating a better future..."

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Keith Hudson 
  To: Charles Brass 
  Cc: futurework@scribe.uwaterloo.ca 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] The future of 
  education
  Sorry, Charles, but when you worked at Ford in 
  Australia, what job did you have? Did you ever go onto the shop floor? How 
  many workers did you know? How many operations did you have intimate knowledge 
  of? Perhaps Ford in Australia is an entirely different place from 
  Massey-Ferguson in Coventry that I used to know 30 years ago with five large 
  production shops and one assembly shop which I used to visit every day for 
  some years*. Except for workers in the toolroom, there were few jobs that 
  could not be learned in 30 minutes, some in 5. I suggest that you have 
  invalidated your own case by saying that Ford of Australia could take people 
  off the boat. Modern factory workers are far, far, far less skilled than they 
  have ever been. They don't compare, for example, with my blacksmith 
  grandfather who was so fast and skilful that he had two strikers.(*At 
  the time I worked there it was the factory with the largest production of farm 
  tractors in the world and exported 80% of them. On my shift, I was in charge 
  of quality control with responsibilities for the results of most operations 
  from the hardening of the gear wheels to the final lick of paint in the 
  [automated] paint-shop.)"Hugely more skilled"? No, I'm afraid not. The 
  only really skilled people I knew were the metallurgists and chemists I 
  supervised. There was also one old guy who used to ramble around the 
  gear-cutting machines every now and again and I never did discover what his 
  job was until one day a Prof of engineering at Birmingham university came into 
  the shop and asked for him. It turned out that this old man had a little room 
  of his own, slept most of the time except when brewing a pot of tea, and was a 
  recognised expert in gear-cutting and could do things that the Prof couldn't. 
  The old man used to set the gear-cutting machines for the operators. All the 
  latter had to do was to ensure that the cooling solvent hose-pipe was playing 
  over the cutting head.Keith HudsonAt 19:40 20/06/2005 
  +1000, you wrote:
  in 774 
Keith Hudson said (in part)"The reason why such a 
large part of the education system in the larger countries has become dumbed 
down is that the majority of the skills required in the job market have also 
become dumbed down as a result of industrialisation, mass production, 
automation, computerisation and rationalisation generally by the larger 
manufacturers (and many services) which increasingly supply the bulk of the 
staple consumer goods of today's society.For example, the 
manufacture of a car, which used to take 70 or 80 person-hours within living 
memory now takes only 25. "Sorry, Keith, but you have got the facts right, but the 
interpretation wrong. I used to work at Ford Australia in the 1980's 
when Ford basically took anyone straight off a boat into the plant. 
Sure, there are now many fewer workers, but they are hugely more skilled, 
and better paid, than their forebears.Charles BrassChairmanfutures 
foundationphone:1300 727328(International 61 3 9459 0244)fax: 61 
3 9459 0344PO Box 122Fairfield 3078www.futuresfoundation.org.authe 
mission of the futures foundation is:"...to engage all Australians in 
creating a better future..." 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Hudson 
  To: futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca 
  Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:17 PM 
  Subject: [Futurework] The future of education
  747. The future of education
  In the last few weeks I've been changing my mind about the need for 
  education vouchers. Or, rather, I've been changing my interpretation of 
  what has been the reason why the standard of education in state schools in 
  the larger developed countries has become increasingly dumbed down.
  I still think that education vouchers will be inevitable in several 
  countries such as England and America, and the short item below from 
  today's Independent on Sunday concerning the growing amount of extra 
  private tuition being pai

Re: [Futurework] The future of education

2005-06-20 Thread Charles Brass



in 774 Keith Hudson said (in part)
"The reason why such a large part of the education system in the larger 
countries has become dumbed down is that the majority of the skills required in 
the job market have also become dumbed down as a result of industrialisation, 
mass production, automation, computerisation and rationalisation generally by 
the larger manufacturers (and many services) which increasingly supply the bulk 
of the staple consumer goods of today's society.For example, the 
manufacture of a car, which used to take 70 or 80 person-hours within living 
memory now takes only 25. "


Sorry, Keith, but you have got the facts right, but 
the interpretation wrong. I used to work at Ford Australia in the 1980's 
when Ford basically took anyone straight off a boat into the plant. Sure, 
there are now many fewer workers, but they are hugely more skilled, and better 
paid, than their forebears.


Charles BrassChairmanfutures foundationphone:1300 
727328(International 61 3 9459 0244)fax: 61 3 9459 0344PO Box 
122Fairfield 3078www.futuresfoundation.org.au

the mission of the futures foundation is:"...to engage all Australians 
in creating a better future..."

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Keith Hudson 
  To: futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:17 PM
  Subject: [Futurework] The future of 
  education
  747. The future of educationIn the last 
  few weeks I've been changing my mind about the need for education vouchers. 
  Or, rather, I've been changing my interpretation of what has been the reason 
  why the standard of education in state schools in the larger developed 
  countries has become increasingly dumbed down.I still think that 
  education vouchers will be inevitable in several countries such as England and 
  America, and the short item below from today's Independent on Sunday 
  concerning the growing amount of extra private tuition being paid for by 
  parents of state schoolchildren is further grist for the mill.I am now 
  beginning to think that the basic reason is that a country's total education 
  system -- state plus private -- really reflects the structure of the job 
  market. The reason why such a large part of the education system in the larger 
  countries has become dumbed down is that the majority of the skills required 
  in the job market have also become dumbed down as a result of 
  industrialisation, mass production, automation, computerisation and 
  rationalisation generally by the larger manufacturers (and many services) 
  which increasingly supply the bulk of the staple consumer goods of today's 
  society.For example, the manufacture of a car, which used to take 70 
  or 80 person-hours within living memory now takes only 25. Even within the 
  last five years, the largest American manufacturer of domestic washing 
  machines reports that the number of person-hours required to assemble each one 
  has declined from about 3.5 hours to 1.5 hours. Forty years ago, few 
  (highly-paid) car factory workers in my home town of Coventry -- and I knew 
  many because I supervised them -- thought that secondary education or any form 
  of examination qualifications were unimportant, particularly for their sons. 
  Why? Because, after a quiet word with someone in the personnel office, they 
  could always get a job for their sons in their own workplace. Even if it meant 
  their sons being "on the brush" at a lowish wage to start with, their sons 
  could almost automatically advance to higher-paid machining jobs within a few 
  years -- even into the most sacrosanct (and highly-paid) of all of them, the 
  toolroom -- according to the informal "apprenticeship" system then 
  operating.All the time, however, automation was being incorporated 
  step by step and this, together with the post-war baby-boom effect of the late 
  1970s, produced a dramatic increase in youth unemployment. Since then the 
  prospects for the young have only been partly alleviated by an increasing 
  number of (generally poorly-paid) service-type jobs which have blossomed in 
  developed countries because of the prosperity given to us by the ever-cheaper 
  cost of energy from decade to decade.At the same time as the skills of 
  most jobs have become dumbed down since, say, about the 1870s, a growing 
  minority of very high-skill jobs -- in administration, financial services and 
  in science and technology -- has been necessary. Whereas, in the 1870s, the 
  number of these jobs would probably have amounted to no more than 5% of the 
  population, the proportion today probably amounts to about 20-25% of the 
  total. And the necessity for these sorts of jobs is growing. In England, this 
  number of highly-paid, highly-skilled (or at least highly-protected) jobs is 
  almost completely supplied by the 7% of those who were educated in private 
  schools and who were, until fairly recently, catered for by a small group of 
  highly favoured universities 

[Futurework] the future of work (supplementary)

2004-01-06 Thread Charles Brass




What are 
Australias problems with 
work?

1. 
An unemployment 
problem
 
there are not enough jobs?

2. 
An overwork 
problem
 
those with jobs working longer and harder?

3. 
A spirit/soul 
problem
 
work fails to provide meaning inpeople's lives?

4. 
An international 
competitiveness 
problem  
Australia is 
tooisolated to be a real playerin the international economy?

5. 
An economic 
growthproblem
 
we cant get our economy moving asfast as we need 
to?

6. 
A gender 
problem
 
work and its structures and processes aretoo male dominated?

7. 
An attitude 
problem
 
Australians are too lazy or apathetic towork as hard as we need to 
if we are tobe competitive?

8. 
A management 
problem
 the Karpin Report 
(for example) identifiedserious deficiencies in our 
managerialskills?

9. 
A population 
problem
 
we are too small to have a viable domesticeconomy, or to create a 
meaningful exporteconomy?

10. 
A measurement 
problem
 
our current measurement systems are toonarrrowly focused and 
need to be broadenedto include social capital and household 
andvolunteer work?

11. 
A vision 
problem
 
our leaders arent providing the visionaryleadership which would 
identify emergingmarkets, products or 
processes?

12. 
A conceptual 
problem
 
we simply dont understand the true natureof the changes which are 
taking place in theworld of work?

13. A 
timing problem
 there is no 
crisis, just some temporary blipswhich time will 
correct?



Solutions to 
Australias problems with 
work



1. Increase 
economic growth
growth will 
create jobs 
growth will create wealth
growth will allow a better 
social security safety net

chief proponents: 
politicians and economists

2. 
Increase the scope of the 
marketplace
outsourcing of domestic 
activity has created every industry 
which exists at the moment, there are still 
40% of household activities to outsource so the solution is to outsource these as 
well
 
most visible proponent: Phil 
Ruthven of IBIS Business Services

3. Mandate a 
shorter working week 
the available work could be apportioned morefairly if some 
people didnt take more thantheir fair share 

chief proponents:The 
Shorter Working Time Network
French and Canadian 
Governments
Trades Unions

4. 
Increase 
Australias commitment to training 
and development
if 
Australian workers were better educated they would be better able to compete for the 
highest paid jobs (and Australian 
industry would be more 
internationally competitive)

 
chief proponents: 
ANTA, ITABS and the billion dollar trainingindustry

5. Deregulate 
the labour market
remove restrictions on labour flexibility andindustywill 
invest in Australia
 
chief proponents: 
multi national corporations




Charles Brass
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Re: [Futurework] FW Basic Income sites

2004-01-04 Thread Charles Brass



Arthur and Ray Harrell replied to my recent post 
about the difference between the future of work and the future of 
employment.

As part of his reply Arthur said:

We 
have to begin the transition of society from one of full employment to one of 
full engagement (and this would include all sorts of work --including the 
arts)

What I muse about is why we are discussing the potential 
assassination of Tony Blair on this site, and not how 
to bring about the sort of transition which Arthur proposes - and I heartily 
endorse?




Charles BrassChairmanfutures 
foundationphone:1300 727328(International 61 3 9459 0244)fax: 61 3 
9459 0344PO Box 122Fairfield 3078www.futurists.net.au

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engage all Australians in creating a better 
future..."
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