Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:35:56PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: Hello all, I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something. :) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough interest. Would a book on FVWM be useful? I am thinking more in terms of discussing how/what to do with FVWM, and what's needed to achieve it. The standards behind how FVWM manages windows, and how FVWM allows the user to control what this means, etc. In the past I have called for a co-contributor, but this has fallen though, so I figure if it's ever to get off the ground, I'll probably have to go it alone, alas. What do people think? Whilst I realise the idea is a little odd, seeing as a window manager changes a lot, but there's a tonne of stuff that could so easily be written to make it somewhat timeless over different revisions of FVWM. I would certainly support the idea of a book about fvwm. Including a chapter about how to make a whole theme (window decorations, menus, modules configurations, etc.) from scratch (or from mockups) would make that book perfect. You already have a buyer :) Regards, DindinX -- david.o...@forma3dev.fr
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
Thomas Adam wrote: I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something. :) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough interest. Would a book on FVWM be useful? I hope there *is* enough interest because an FVWM book would be useful to me. However I would not necessarily need a paper book - a pdf (or some such) version would be adequate, although NoStarch press books have been reasonable. I am thinking more in terms of discussing how/what to do with FVWM, and what's needed to achieve it. The standards behind how FVWM manages windows, and how FVWM allows the user to control what this means, etc. That kind of book would help current users certainly, and may also elicit interest in others - is one of the objectives to have the book expand the user base? Do you have an idea what the table of contents would contain (roughly of course)? ...snip... Kindly, -- Thomas Adam Well if you decide to go ahead with this - then good luck! and let us know if you need proof-readers, guinea-pigs, etc... :-) Regards, Giovanni
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:50:39PM -0400, Giovanni Tumiati wrote:
Thomas Adam wrote:
I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something.
:) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it
again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough
interest.
Would a book on FVWM be useful?
I hope there *is* enough interest because an FVWM book would be
useful to me.
However I would not necessarily need a paper book - a pdf (or some
such) version would be adequate,
although NoStarch press books have been reasonable.
The distribution format is irrespective of whether it's published or not,
and most publishers are keen on electronic formats these days, as well as
paper editions.
I am thinking more in terms of discussing how/what to do with FVWM, and
what's needed to achieve it. The standards behind how FVWM manages windows,
and how FVWM allows the user to control what this means, etc.
That kind of book would help current users certainly, and may also
elicit interest in others - is one of the
objectives to have the book expand the user base?
Hell, no. I have no interest in attracting more users; merely documenting
this for those who already know about FVWM.
Do you have an idea what the table of contents would contain
(roughly of course)?
* Preface...
* Introduction / Explanation as to what window management is (c.f. with
role within X11, etc.)
* History of FVWM (via comparison with other WMs). Explain what FVWM
is, and why it came about.
* Components of FVWM
- Installation (via distributions).
- Via vanilla tarball.
* Comparison of FVWM 2.4.X / 2.5.X (or just run with 2.5.X and where
necessary add an addendum/footnote where there's any differences in
syntax.
* Setup
- Base setup from tarball (FvwmFormSetup).
(Distros tend not to provide pre-built .fvwm2rc files in lieu of
this).
- Example .fvwm2rc files distributed with the tarball (?)
- fvwm-{themes,crystal} - but see later chapters?
* Generic Concepts
- Command-line switches to FVWM.
- Structure / explanation of .fvwm2rc file with rationale for
recommendation as to why it is that way. (Some aspects of the
file are order dependant still).
* Functions
- Builtin functions (a la ConfigFvwmDefaults).
- User-defined functions (a la StartFunction).
* Context
- Window
- Menu
- Function
- Changing contexts (forcing contexts therein for some
operations).
* Modules
- Standard
- Non/Standard.
| Things like FvwmEvent, FvwmScript, FvwmButtons ought to get the
shit documented out of them.
* Decors
- Styles.
- Vectors.
- Pixmaps.
* Focus policies.
* Bindings.
- Key
- Mouse
* Window Operations
- Moving
- Resizing
- Maximising
- etc...
* Scripting
- PipeRead.
- Perllib
- rubylib (:P -- perhaps released as part of the book?)
-- Thomas Adam
--
Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am
not. -- Morrissey (Girl Least Likely To -- off of Viva Hate.)
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:51:57AM +0200, David Odin wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:35:56PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: Hello all, I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something. :) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough interest. Would a book on FVWM be useful? I am thinking more in terms of discussing how/what to do with FVWM, and what's needed to achieve it. The standards behind how FVWM manages windows, and how FVWM allows the user to control what this means, etc. In the past I have called for a co-contributor, but this has fallen though, so I figure if it's ever to get off the ground, I'll probably have to go it alone, alas. What do people think? Whilst I realise the idea is a little odd, seeing as a window manager changes a lot, but there's a tonne of stuff that could so easily be written to make it somewhat timeless over different revisions of FVWM. I would certainly support the idea of a book about fvwm. Including a chapter about how to make a whole theme (window decorations, menus, modules configurations, etc.) from scratch (or from mockups) would make that book perfect. You already have a buyer :) Haven't you read fvwm-themes.sf.net? ;) -- Thomas Adam -- Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am not. -- Morrissey (Girl Least Likely To -- off of Viva Hate.)
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
Hello Thomas Adam, Am 2010-08-01 00:09:24, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Haven't you read fvwm-themes.sf.net? ;) In the Links2 section here are 1) FVWM Christal Does not more exist 2) Rainbow and ColScheme Domain for sale 3) voidme themes Link to a publicity page 4) Bluesman Fvwm themesDoes not more exist broken. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:13:48AM +0100, - Tethys wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Thomas Adam tho...@xteddy.org wrote: Would a book on FVWM be useful? Yes, a book would be useful. But I'd question why you're doing it. If you're hoping to make money, then I'd say clearly the market for FVWM isn't big enough, and it's not going to happen (having published a book myself, I know a bit about this). If you're wanting to write it simply to increase the level of knowledge about FVWM, then I think it's a great idea. But at that point, I don't know if it would even be worth publishing it in paper format, as opposed to, say, just a PDF. Not to make money, no. And publishers like No Starch Press publish books on lego, for instance. So I'd hardly say market-share is really a limiting factor. :) -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
Hello Thomas Adam, Am 2010-07-28 23:35:56, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Hello all, I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something. :) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough interest. Would a book on FVWM be useful? Maybe. I had started writing a Book about FVWM 6-7 years ago and had stoped because I was a lot overworked... It was a part of a series of books about Debian GNU/Linux from the installation too the WHOLE configuration... BUT, -- nothing about KDE and GNOME! Pure X-Windows System with WDM and FVWM! I am thinking more in terms of discussing how/what to do with FVWM, and what's needed to achieve it. The standards behind how FVWM manages windows, and how FVWM allows the user to control what this means, etc. ACK In the past I have called for a co-contributor, but this has fallen though, so I figure if it's ever to get off the ground, I'll probably have to go it alone, alas. Hmmm Shit! Currently I am stressed again! :-/ What do people think? Whilst I realise the idea is a little odd, seeing as a window manager changes a lot, but there's a tonne of stuff that could so easily be written to make it somewhat timeless over different revisions of FVWM. Yeah, when I started with my FVWM Book it was easy, but now in the last 6 years FVWM has changed a lot... Kindly, -- Thomas Adam Ich habe echt Lust, da mitzumachen... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
Hello Thomas Adam, Am 2010-07-29 13:13:27, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Not to make money, no. Why not? Als lille pocket money is OK... ;-) And publishers like No Starch Press publish books on lego, for instance. So I'd hardly say market-share is really a limiting factor. :) I have already published two book using http://www.bod.de/ Books on Demand This are Laser-Prints. OK, you have to pre-pay the Setup, but you can get an ISBN number and they help you to publish it... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
FVWM: FVWM Book?
Hello all, I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something. :) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough interest. Would a book on FVWM be useful? I am thinking more in terms of discussing how/what to do with FVWM, and what's needed to achieve it. The standards behind how FVWM manages windows, and how FVWM allows the user to control what this means, etc. In the past I have called for a co-contributor, but this has fallen though, so I figure if it's ever to get off the ground, I'll probably have to go it alone, alas. What do people think? Whilst I realise the idea is a little odd, seeing as a window manager changes a lot, but there's a tonne of stuff that could so easily be written to make it somewhat timeless over different revisions of FVWM. Kindly, -- Thomas Adam -- It was the cruelest game I've ever played and it's played inside my head. -- Hush The Warmth, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci.
Re: FVWM: FVWM Book?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM, sokuban soku...@archlinux.us wrote: On 28/07/10 06:35 PM, Thomas Adam wrote: Hello all, I toy with this idea at least three times a year, which must mean something. :) I know I've asked this in the past of most people, but I will ask it again -- not so much in terms of the particulars -- but if there's enough interest. Would a book on FVWM be useful? I would find it useful. There's enough documentation in electronic format, but it's so much easier to flip through pages of a book, especially for this kind of thing I think it is a good idea. (Would I actually buy the book is another question. Technical books are usually quite expensive, and I am poor, but if I could I would.) What do people think? Whilst I realise the idea is a little odd, seeing as a window manager changes a lot, but there's a tonne of stuff that could so easily be written to make it somewhat timeless over different revisions of FVWM. No offence, but I don't think FVWM changes that much, so you should be fine. Hello, You can count on me to buy it Thomas. What I would find useful is an ebook (pdf) version with a great index. So I could search a term in all the document. Dual deal (book + ebook) would be great! Regards.
