Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-20 Thread Thomas Adam 
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:19:13PM +1100, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> The fact that you were quicker off the mark than I was means that there
> were improvements quicker, which is good all around, IMHO.

There's still other things to do:

http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/todo/

-- Thomas Adam

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Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-18 Thread Kathryn Andersen 
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 08:06:10PM +0100, Anton Popov wrote:
> On [14.02.10 21:49], Thomas Adam wrote:
> > 
> > http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/fvwmwiki
> As for the style:
> It's supposed to be clean and easy readable, so for now I didn't care
> that much about beautiness. Another aspect for me to keep it simple
> was to minimize the time to fully load a page (no background-images
> except one so far).

The FVWM logo - good idea!

> I also tried to imitate the manpage[1] style a little, as I personally
> like it and thought it might be appropriate. Anyway, there is a lot of
> space for other ideas, I think, so feel free to replace this and that,
> if you like to. The stylesheet is still in development.

The fact that you were quicker off the mark than I was means that there
were improvements quicker, which is good all around, IMHO.

Kathryn Andersen
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Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-18 Thread Anton Popov 
On [18.02.10 20:06], Anton Popov wrote:
> As for the style:
> It's supposed to be clean and easy readable, so for now I didn't care
> that much about beautiness. Another aspect for me to keep it simple
> was to minimize the time to fully load a page (no background-images
> except one so far).
> I also tried to imitate the manpage[1] style a little, as I personally
> like it and thought it might be appropriate. Anyway, there is a lot of
> space for other ideas, I think, so feel free to replace this and that,
> if you like to. The stylesheet is still in development.

Oops, forgot the link :)

[1] http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html

Regards
Anton Popov

Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-18 Thread Anton Popov 
On [14.02.10 21:49], Thomas Adam wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Finally, my fvwm-TODO list is receiving attention.  I've finally got the
> FvwmWiki up and running again, albeit in a limited fashion for now until I
> convert all the pages over.  You can find the wiki here:
> 
> http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/fvwmwiki
> 
[snip]
> 
> This is a great way to contribute to FVWM, especially if you're not a
> programmer, and want to turn your hand to improving documentation, etc.
> Where I was largely motivated before from the old wiki to structure it well,
> my time is less and less likely to be spent on this one (as I am
> concentrating more and more on trying to make FVWM 2.5.X stable!)  So here's
> some random tasks for would-be contributors to consider:
> 
> * Styling of the wiki.
[snap]
> 
> If anyone is seriously going to do this, would they let me know so we can
> discuss it?  Otherwise there's a serious chance for overlap from myself and
> other contributors.

Hi

I took the liberty in making a stylesheet for the wiki a few days ago
and already committed it (we were talking in #fvwm) - Maybe I should
have replied to this list before, so I'm sorry for that.

As for the style:
It's supposed to be clean and easy readable, so for now I didn't care
that much about beautiness. Another aspect for me to keep it simple
was to minimize the time to fully load a page (no background-images
except one so far).
I also tried to imitate the manpage[1] style a little, as I personally
like it and thought it might be appropriate. Anyway, there is a lot of
space for other ideas, I think, so feel free to replace this and that,
if you like to. The stylesheet is still in development.

So far 
Regards
Anton Popov

Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Adam 
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 08:54:07AM +1100, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Have you considered mirroring the git repository on github?
> (http://github.com)  That could ease the load on xteddy.org
> for git checkouts.

It's not the git aspect that's the problem (I already host a number of FVWM
things on github), it's whether or not the bandwidth to xteddy.org is
monumental.

> What do you have in mind?  Just the CSS, or changing the page.tmpl
> template also?

I don't care -- either or just one of them.  I care much more about the
*content*, as that's the one thing I've always been able to provide.  As for
aesthetics, I couldn't care less.

> I'd be interested in helping with the styling, if that's okay.

It's a wiki -- edit it.  :P

-- Thomas Adam

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Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-16 Thread Kathryn Andersen 
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 09:49:58PM +, Thomas Adam wrote:
> http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/fvwmwiki

Yay!
 
> It's no longer using MoinMoin anymore, since this just didn't scale at all
> between versioned upgrades whatosever.  Instead, I've gone with using
> ikiwiki [1], which will hopefully ease maintenance a little.

Oh yes, ikiwiki is great!  I use it myself (and have written plugins for it).
 
> Of course, because this wiki is backed by a VCS, you can also checkout and
> push anonymously using Git, which means the ability to edit/create markdown
> pages using your favourite $EDITOR as well.  Hence:
> 
> cd && git clone git://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org/srv/git/fvwmwiki.git
 
> Ought to get you started.  This also allows for anonymous push access as
> well.  I've enabled this for a few reasons:
> 
> * I know from personal experience how annoying it is to edit wiki pages
>   directly in a browser.
> * Serious contributors are likely going to want to take the time to make
>   their pages as good as possible, which isn't likely by editing text
>   directly in a browser.
> 
> However, I would ask to be careful here -- my domain, xteddy.org, of which
> fvwmwiki.xteddy.org is obviously hosted from, is only a tiny VM instance
> from bytemark -- it only has 150MB RAM.  It's fine for persistant IRC
> sessions, and a webserver, but if I suddenly find that there's been several
> anonymous checkouts spamming the wiki to death, I will withdraw anonymous
> SSH access, and editing of the wiki will only be avaiable via the browser
> instead.

Have you considered mirroring the git repository on github?
(http://github.com)  That could ease the load on xteddy.org
for git checkouts.
 
> This is a great way to contribute to FVWM, especially if you're not a
> programmer, and want to turn your hand to improving documentation, etc.
> Where I was largely motivated before from the old wiki to structure it well,
> my time is less and less likely to be spent on this one (as I am
> concentrating more and more on trying to make FVWM 2.5.X stable!)  So here's
> some random tasks for would-be contributors to consider:
> 
> * Styling of the wiki.
What do you have in mind?  Just the CSS, or changing the page.tmpl
template also?

> * Coming up with a defined structure for it.

The initial structure, judging by the front page, is this:
* newtofvwm
* modules
* configs
* decors
* cookbook
* testimonials

That looks reasonable to start with.

> * Implementing page templates for known areas where bulk-contributions are
>   likely (c.f. writing pages to describe FVWM-modules, Style commands,
>   user-configs, etc).
(nods) Good idea.  Not sure what the content of those should be exactly,
but good idea.

> * Amalgamating other sources of FVWM info to one reference point on the
>   wiki.
(nods)
 
> If anyone is seriously going to do this, would they let me know so we can
> discuss it?  Otherwise there's a serious chance for overlap from myself and
> other contributors.
I'd be interested in helping with the styling, if that's okay.

Kathryn Andersen
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Re: FVWM: FvwmWiki -- up and running.

2010-02-14 Thread Thomas Adam 
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 09:49:58PM +, Thomas Adam wrote:
> I've spent most of today writing a terrible perl script hack to convert the
> old MoinMoin files over.  Thankfully, since I've contributed lots to the old
> FvwmWiki, I was able to recall most of the pages in amongst all the bloody
> spam which was present.   :)  Alas, I have only had time to convert over the
> FvwmModule pages -- I'll get round to the others in due course, I promise.

... Which I hope I've now completed --- this is the bulk of what was
originally there.  I've gone through pretty much everything, and 99% of it
was spam.  It's good enough for now, and if at some point in the future
someone asks where their page went, I always have the original to fall back
on.

So, consider the wiki restored, including some aging testimonials from seven
years ago.  :P   I was one of the contributors at that time, too.  Yeeesh.

-- Thomas Adam

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