Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Eric Coleman]

Pretty cool to link to an unavailable product ;)

On Feb 21, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Andi Gutmans wrote:


That's an obvious answer.

We have much cooler merchandise:

http://www.zend.com/en/store/php-extras/framework-shirt#Additional-Information

Re: [cairo] cairo-pdf glyph positioning bug with librsvg

[Behdad Esfahbod]

On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 09:24 +0100, Emmanuel Pacaud wrote:
> Le dimanche 17 février 2008 à 20:32 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
> > Ok, I've got a patch that mostly fixes this now.  The bug was simple:
> > librsvg's Pango use was a mess.
> 
> Text rendering is the weakest part of librsvg (which is not surprising
> since it's also the hardest part to implement...).

Fully implementing all the attributes and features, yes, it's indeed
complicated.

> >   - librsvg also was using the ink extents in some places where logical
> > extents should be used.  Fixed in the patch.
> 
> That's something I'm interrested in. I'm currently implementing a
> pango/cairo based mathml renderer, and I'm not really confident in my
> use of the pango API. I guess I've not fully understood the difference
> between logical and ink extents, and how to use them when you have to
> manually position several pango layout in a single row. The pango
> documentation lacks some explanation regarding extents.

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Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Alan Wagstaff]

Hi Jose,

I came across an interesting comparison earlier today here:
http://2tbsp.com/node/87

Might be worth a look.

Thanks,
Al.


On 21/02/2008, Wil Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew sums it up well, but I've got a few suggestions:
>
> 1) If you're going to ask it on our list, the you'll have to ask the same 
> question on Cake's list to correct for bias. ;)
>
> 2) Better yet, take a look at our respective documentation online, run a 
> search on google and technorati, then form your conclusions based upon your 
> unique needs and values. I don't think you'll find any lack of material on 
> why you might choose one over the other, finding out why you might *not* 
> choose one is likely to require a little more digging. O, and don't forget to 
> compile your findings and post them somewhere to help the next guy with the 
> same question. :)
>
> ,Wil
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matthew Weier O'Phinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:17 PM
> > To: fw-general@lists.zend.com
> > Subject: Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework
> >
> > -- José de Menezes Soares Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> > (on Thursday, 21 February 2008, 05:33 PM -0200):
> > > Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?
> >
> > Why would you start a flame war on a ZF list? ;-)
> >
> > I recently answered this, however inaccurately, with the following:
> >
> > CakePHP and Zend Framework compete in the same arena. Some
> > differentiating factors of Zend Framework include:
> >
> >   * Use-at-will architecture. You *can* use the MVC of ZF, but you
> > don't
> > have to. In fact, if you want to, you can utilize ZF *within* your
> > CakePHP application (and several people have blogged on how they do
> > exactly this). CakePHP is a full-stack framework by design, and you
> > cannot do similarly with its components.
> >
> >   * CakePHP uses convention over configuration; it is opinionated
> > software. As a result, it is a poor mesh for integrating with
> > existing applications, as it asserts its conventions even as far as
> > such areas as database schemas (I've heard anecdotes of people
> > needing to alter existing database schemas in order for them to
> > work
> > with Cake, instead of being able to configure Cake to work with
> > their existing schema). Zend Framework is highly configurable, and
> > is designed to adapt to your needs and existing infrastructure.
> >
> >   * CakePHP was originally written for PHP4 and still supports PHP4. As
> > a result, it does not take advantage of many features of PHP 5,
> > including much of the power of PHP 5's object model.
> >
> > That said, you can get up and running with CakePHP very quickly. Their
> > CLI tooling, plus the opinionated conventions, mean that when
> > developing
> > a green field application, you can get started very, very quickly. The
> > Zend_Build/Zend_Console stuff we're working on currently will help
> > close
> > this gap (in a configurable way), but this is definitely one place
> > where
> > they have an advantage.
> >
> > What it really comes down to, though, are what tools suit your needs?
> > This is subjective criteria, and will be influenced by what legacy
> > applications or data sources you may need to interface with, what
> > systems and PHP version requirements you have, etc. Only *you* can
> > truly
> > evaluate which framework best suits you.
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Weier O'Phinney
> > PHP Developer| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Zend - The PHP Company   | http://www.zend.com/
>

Re: [fw-general] Quesion mark breaks queries as it expects to bound them

[Bill Karwin]

Julian Davchev wrote:
> 
> Stuff I put in form text field (including enluding quotes) ->>   ';?%>'
> 

It worked fine for me when I used the Mysqli Adapter.  However, I get the
exceptions you described when I changed the adapter to the Pdo_Mysql
Adapter.  

Apparently, PDO isn't clever enough about noticing that the parameter
placeholder is inside a quoted string.

Regards,
Bill Karwin
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Re: [fw-general] Quesion mark breaks queries as it expects to bound them

[Julian Davchev]

Hi,
I just cannot get this working :(
Stuff I put in form text field (including enluding quotes) ->>   ';?%>'
All magic quotes is taken care of.

Here transformations I use on the input
$first_name = addcslashes($first_name,'%');   -->>> so 
% chars are escaped
$first_name = "%{$first_name}%";  -> cause 
quote() is adding '' around it...
$first_name = $t->getAdapter()->quote($first_name); -> 
so I escape quotes inside and all other nasty stuff

$sql_where .= " AND a.`AP_first_name` LIKE $first_name ";

Here is final query created(result ov var_dump())...mind that this query 
is perfectly valid passed in mysql console and returns empty set.


SELECT a.`A_id` FROM application aaa LEFT JOIN `applicant` a USING(A_id) 
LEFT JOIN `applicant_address` aa USING(A_id) WHERE (1) AND 
a.`AP_first_name` LIKE '%\';?\\%>\'%'



In ZF I create/use it like this
  $sql = "SELECT a.`A_id`
   FROM application aaa
   LEFT JOIN `applicant` a USING(A_id)
   LEFT JOIN `applicant_address` aa USING(A_id)
   WHERE (1) {$sql_where}";
   $result  = $t->getAdapter()->fetchCol($sql);

I tried prepare,execute  but got the same error.

Thanks


Bill Karwin wrote:

Julian Davchev wrote:
  

I am just trying to form any query that I want to pass '?' mark to
database.
So question is how I appropriately escape this '?' so that ZF doesn't 
look at it as placeholder.





You don't have to escape the question mark if it is in quotes.  I just
tested this:

  $stmt = $db->prepare("INSERT INTO words (word) VALUES (';?>')");
  $stmt->execute();

  mysql> SELECT * FROM words;
  +-+
  | word|
  +-+
  | ;?> |
  +-+

Regards,
Bill Karwin
  

RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Wil Sinclair]

Matthew sums it up well, but I've got a few suggestions:

1) If you're going to ask it on our list, the you'll have to ask the same 
question on Cake's list to correct for bias. ;)

2) Better yet, take a look at our respective documentation online, run a search 
on google and technorati, then form your conclusions based upon your unique 
needs and values. I don't think you'll find any lack of material on why you 
might choose one over the other, finding out why you might *not* choose one is 
likely to require a little more digging. O, and don't forget to compile your 
findings and post them somewhere to help the next guy with the same question. :)

,Wil

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Weier O'Phinney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:17 PM
> To: fw-general@lists.zend.com
> Subject: Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework
> 
> -- José de Menezes Soares Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> (on Thursday, 21 February 2008, 05:33 PM -0200):
> > Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?
> 
> Why would you start a flame war on a ZF list? ;-)
> 
> I recently answered this, however inaccurately, with the following:
> 
> CakePHP and Zend Framework compete in the same arena. Some
> differentiating factors of Zend Framework include:
> 
>   * Use-at-will architecture. You *can* use the MVC of ZF, but you
> don't
> have to. In fact, if you want to, you can utilize ZF *within* your
> CakePHP application (and several people have blogged on how they do
> exactly this). CakePHP is a full-stack framework by design, and you
> cannot do similarly with its components.
> 
>   * CakePHP uses convention over configuration; it is opinionated
> software. As a result, it is a poor mesh for integrating with
> existing applications, as it asserts its conventions even as far as
> such areas as database schemas (I've heard anecdotes of people
> needing to alter existing database schemas in order for them to
> work
> with Cake, instead of being able to configure Cake to work with
> their existing schema). Zend Framework is highly configurable, and
> is designed to adapt to your needs and existing infrastructure.
> 
>   * CakePHP was originally written for PHP4 and still supports PHP4. As
> a result, it does not take advantage of many features of PHP 5,
> including much of the power of PHP 5's object model.
> 
> That said, you can get up and running with CakePHP very quickly. Their
> CLI tooling, plus the opinionated conventions, mean that when
> developing
> a green field application, you can get started very, very quickly. The
> Zend_Build/Zend_Console stuff we're working on currently will help
> close
> this gap (in a configurable way), but this is definitely one place
> where
> they have an advantage.
> 
> What it really comes down to, though, are what tools suit your needs?
> This is subjective criteria, and will be influenced by what legacy
> applications or data sources you may need to interface with, what
> systems and PHP version requirements you have, etc. Only *you* can
> truly
> evaluate which framework best suits you.
> 
> --
> Matthew Weier O'Phinney
> PHP Developer| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Zend - The PHP Company   | http://www.zend.com/

RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Steven Brown]

Wow I bet people get beat up for wearing that shirt J

 

$9.99 and it will cost me $40.00 to get it delivered here in
Australia...damn L

 

From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 22 February 2008 7:11 AM
To: José de Menezes Soares Neto; Zend Framework General
Subject: RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

 

That’s an obvious answer.

We have much cooler merchandise:

http://www.zend.com/en/store/php-extras/framework-shirt#Additional-Informati
on

 

OK sorry, just had to make that joke.

 

I think Matthew’s thoughts are pretty spot on and anything I’d say would be
biased J

 

Andi

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of José de
Menezes Soares Neto
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:34 AM
To: Zend Framework General
Subject: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

 

Hi friends,

Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?

Regards,

José

Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Martin Hujer]

Hi,

the answer is simple: "The Zend Framework is the best PHP framework ever".
;-)

Regards 

Martin


José de Menezes Soares Neto wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> José
> 
> 

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RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Andrés Robinet]

CakePHP vs. ZendFramework?

 

That’s  very easy to answer… but first we should all agree about Windows vs.
Linux, Coke vs. Pepsi, Alien vs. Predator and Freddy vs. Jason

 

Regards,

 

Rob

 

PS: I’d rather use CodeIgniter / KohanaPHP for the comparison, those are things
to compare CakePHP with. ZF is a completely different monster (despite sharing
functionality with all of them).

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From: Aldemar Bernal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:32 PM
To: Zend Framework General
Subject: Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

 

ohhh, that t-shirt looks really cool, I'm getting one!, wait I don't live in the
states =S doh!!

- Original Message - 

From: Andi Gutmans   

To: José de Menezes Soares   Neto ; Zend Framework
General   

Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:11 PM

Subject: RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

 

That’s an obvious answer.

We have much cooler merchandise:

http://www.zend.com/en/store/php-extras/framework-shirt#Additional-Information

 

OK sorry, just had to make that joke.

 

I think Matthew’s thoughts are pretty spot on and anything I’d say would be
biased J

 

Andi

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of José de Menezes
Soares Neto
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:34 AM
To: Zend Framework General
Subject: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

 

Hi friends,

Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?

Regards,

José

Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Aldemar Bernal]

ohhh, that t-shirt looks really cool, I'm getting one!, wait I don't live in 
the states =S doh!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andi Gutmans 
  To: José de Menezes Soares Neto ; Zend Framework General 
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:11 PM
  Subject: RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework


  That's an obvious answer.

  We have much cooler merchandise:

  http://www.zend.com/en/store/php-extras/framework-shirt#Additional-Information

   

  OK sorry, just had to make that joke.

   

  I think Matthew's thoughts are pretty spot on and anything I'd say would be 
biased J

   

  Andi

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of José de 
Menezes Soares Neto
  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:34 AM
  To: Zend Framework General
  Subject: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

   

  Hi friends,

  Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?

  Regards,

  José

RE: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Andi Gutmans]

That's an obvious answer.

We have much cooler merchandise:

http://www.zend.com/en/store/php-extras/framework-shirt#Additional-Information

 

OK sorry, just had to make that joke.

 

I think Matthew's thoughts are pretty spot on and anything I'd say would be 
biased J

 

Andi

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of José de Menezes 
Soares Neto
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:34 AM
To: Zend Framework General
Subject: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

 

Hi friends,

Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?

Regards,

José

Re: [fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- José de Menezes Soares Neto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Thursday, 21 February 2008, 05:33 PM -0200):
> Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?

Why would you start a flame war on a ZF list? ;-)

I recently answered this, however inaccurately, with the following:

CakePHP and Zend Framework compete in the same arena. Some
differentiating factors of Zend Framework include:

  * Use-at-will architecture. You *can* use the MVC of ZF, but you don't
have to. In fact, if you want to, you can utilize ZF *within* your
CakePHP application (and several people have blogged on how they do
exactly this). CakePHP is a full-stack framework by design, and you
cannot do similarly with its components.

  * CakePHP uses convention over configuration; it is opinionated
software. As a result, it is a poor mesh for integrating with
existing applications, as it asserts its conventions even as far as
such areas as database schemas (I've heard anecdotes of people
needing to alter existing database schemas in order for them to work
with Cake, instead of being able to configure Cake to work with
their existing schema). Zend Framework is highly configurable, and
is designed to adapt to your needs and existing infrastructure.

  * CakePHP was originally written for PHP4 and still supports PHP4. As
a result, it does not take advantage of many features of PHP 5,
including much of the power of PHP 5's object model.

That said, you can get up and running with CakePHP very quickly. Their
CLI tooling, plus the opinionated conventions, mean that when developing
a green field application, you can get started very, very quickly. The
Zend_Build/Zend_Console stuff we're working on currently will help close
this gap (in a configurable way), but this is definitely one place where
they have an advantage.

What it really comes down to, though, are what tools suit your needs?
This is subjective criteria, and will be influenced by what legacy
applications or data sources you may need to interface with, what
systems and PHP version requirements you have, etc. Only *you* can truly
evaluate which framework best suits you.

-- 
Matthew Weier O'Phinney
PHP Developer| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zend - The PHP Company   | http://www.zend.com/

[fw-general] Zend_Filter - How to filter all fields on the $_POST ?

[Juan Felipe Alavarez Saldarriaga]

:)

The question is, how to filter all fields on the $_POST ? I have this filter 
chain:

// Load Zend_Filter lib.
$objFilter = new Zend_Filter();

// Add filter chain.
$objFilter->addFilter( new Zend_Filter_StringTrim() );
$objFilter->addFilter( new Zend_Filter_StripTags() );

So I need to filter all the elements of the $_POST using this chain, how to do 
it ? is there a way to filter all elements ? or I need to loop it and the try 
to filter each one ?

Thx for any help.

POST: 

Array
(
[1001035] => Array
(
[dir] => Array
(
[radio] => Take 1 a day
[other] => 
)

[qty] => Array
(
[radio] => #180
[other] => 
)

[str] => Array
(
[radio] => 10mg
[other] => 
)

[xref] => Array
(
[radio] => 12 months
[other] => 
)

[daw] => 1
[comments] => my comments!
)
)

[fw-general] CakePHP vs. ZendFramework

[José de Menezes Soares Neto]

Hi friends,

Why use ZendFramework and not CakePHP?

Regards,

José

Re: [fw-general] Quesion mark breaks queries as it expects to bound them

[Bill Karwin]

Julian Davchev wrote:
> 
> I am just trying to form any query that I want to pass '?' mark to
> database.
> So question is how I appropriately escape this '?' so that ZF doesn't 
> look at it as placeholder.
> 

You don't have to escape the question mark if it is in quotes.  I just
tested this:

  $stmt = $db->prepare("INSERT INTO words (word) VALUES (';?>')");
  $stmt->execute();

  mysql> SELECT * FROM words;
  +-+
  | word|
  +-+
  | ;?> |
  +-+

Regards,
Bill Karwin
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[fw-general] Lucene search and limits

[Xavier Vidal Piera]

Hi

I'm playing around with ZF's lucene classes and i'm wondering which is the
purpose of having "setResultSetLimit" function as it only returns a subset
from all the results. As I've understood, from documentation, this function
returns the First N instead of Best N matches, so now i can't see the use
cases for this function. The standard usage form of Lucene is search through
all the available data, paging, and so on.

So, following some advices from mailing list, instead of using these
function now I'm getting a Big array of "id-score" results to take account
of all the matched data, but php is throwing a memory usage of about 50Mb
for 15.000 results. I'm only reading the first N documents in the iteration,
once read, I break the loop.

We're planning to offer a search box in our website frontpage, but when
we'll have hundreds of thousands of entries in the index, i don't know if it
will become useless as it will show results with 1 second or more on delay.
Autocomplete (scriptaculous) input boxes will be based in lucene search
abilities too.

I'm not an expert about lucene, but i want to know if this a common usage
compared with Java's version. I don't know if this memory costs or execution
times will be too much for the server.

Thanks

-- 
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Re: [fw-general] Zend_Form: How to specify 'class' for a 'label' using the config.ini method?

[James Dempster]

P.S

I've posted a bug report for this
http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-2698

And here's my original post (no body has replied yet but just incase someone
does)
http://www.nabble.com/Adding-Multipule-Classes-to-Form-Elements-td15587036s16154.html

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:35 AM, James Dempster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm having a similar problem, I'm not using the config for elements
> though.
>
> To get a class onto the element I think you would need to add...
> user.login.elements.password.options.attrib = "element text medium"
>
> But then you'd get the problem I'm having which is if you specifiy a class
> then you'll loose the required or optional class that gets added when you
> specifiy required = true
>
> I'm proposing that they having something like addClass or setClass where
> they would add the class name to a list of definded classes then at render
> explode that list seperated by a space.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, bjorn - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Here's an example of my config for the Password entry field in my login
> > form:
> >
> > user.login.elements.password.type = "password"
> > user.login.elements.password.options.validators.strlen.validator =
> > "StringLength"
> > user.login.elements.password.options.validators.strlen.options.min = "6"
> > user.login.elements.password.options.required = true
> > user.login.elements.password.options.label = "Password"
> > user.login.elements.password.options.class = "element text medium"
> >
> > I'd like the label to have a class though, how can that be accomplished?
> > (options.label.class = 'blabla' didn't work ..)
> >
> > --
> >
> > 
> > http://www.juicability.com - flex blog
> > http://www.43min.com - funny movies
> >
>
>
>
> --
> /James




-- 
/James

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Form: How to specify 'class' for a 'label' using the config.ini method?

[James Dempster]

I'm having a similar problem, I'm not using the config for elements though.

To get a class onto the element I think you would need to add...
user.login.elements.password.options.attrib = "element text medium"

But then you'd get the problem I'm having which is if you specifiy a class
then you'll loose the required or optional class that gets added when you
specifiy required = true

I'm proposing that they having something like addClass or setClass where
they would add the class name to a list of definded classes then at render
explode that list seperated by a space.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, bjorn - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here's an example of my config for the Password entry field in my login
> form:
>
> user.login.elements.password.type = "password"
> user.login.elements.password.options.validators.strlen.validator =
> "StringLength"
> user.login.elements.password.options.validators.strlen.options.min = "6"
> user.login.elements.password.options.required = true
> user.login.elements.password.options.label = "Password"
> user.login.elements.password.options.class = "element text medium"
>
> I'd like the label to have a class though, how can that be accomplished? (
> options.label.class = 'blabla' didn't work ..)
>
> --
>
> 
> http://www.juicability.com - flex blog
> http://www.43min.com - funny movies
>



-- 
/James