Re: [fw-general] Model Loading helper (Everyone likes diagrams!)

2007-06-28 Thread Mark Maynereid

How about this?
Zend_Loader::loadClass('Users', dirname(dirname(__FILE__)) .
DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . 'models');

I can almost hear the boos, but it works for a conventional modular layout.

Personally I'd like to see Zend_Controller_Action provide the info so I
could do this:
Zend_Loader::loadClass('Users', $this->getModuleDirectory() .
DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . 'models');

No need for another helper class. No need to bloat your include_path or
bloat your boostrap.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Padraic advocates read only model access
from views so not sure that this would help in that, but I'm almost excited
about the big throwdown at:
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Zend_View+Enhancement+VS.+Zend_Layout+Throwdown

I don't get out much :)

Regards,
Mark



Shahar Evorn wrote:
> 
> I generally like the idea as long as it is kept optional. I personally
> like to load models by defining a model path (eg. APP_MODEL_DIR)
> constant in my bootstrap file, and then call
> 
> Zend_Loader::loadClass('User', APP_MODEL_DIR); 
> 
> whenever I need to. IMHO it's clean enough and super fast, and I don't
> like the idea of loading an extra class and calling some methods just
> for loading a model class. 
> 
> Shahar.
> 

-- 
View this message in context: 
http://www.nabble.com/Model-Loading-helper-tf3942096s16154.html#a11345909
Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



Re: [fw-general] Model Loading helper (Everyone likes diagrams!)

2007-06-20 Thread Simon Mundy

Indeed Ralph

I've been envisioning a repository of 'modules' that developers could  
share with each other that could standalone. Like a forums module, a  
blog module, a generic login module, a feed generator module, a simple  
CMS table-editor module, etc...


So I download a module, untar it and drop it into my ZF site with a  
minimum of fuss. With components like these I can be reasonably sure  
that it is self-contained and references its own Models, Views,  
Helpers, etc without relying too much on what I've done with my  
bootstrap file.


May not happen soon but I do like the way ZF is shaping up to allow  
such a possibility.




Shahar Evron wrote:
I generally like the idea as long as it is kept optional. I  
personally

like to load models by defining a model path (eg. APP_MODEL_DIR)
constant in my bootstrap file, and then call
Zend_Loader::loadClass('User', APP_MODEL_DIR);


I completely agree with you there, and yes, it would be an optional  
component of course, and what you describe works well in non-modular  
environments.


whenever I need to. IMHO it's clean enough and super fast, and I  
don't

like the idea of loading an extra class and calling some methods just
for loading a model class.


ModelLoader becomes important for fulfilling the role of finding the  
path to models (usually based on some convention) that belong to an  
in-use component.


The requirements this component fulfills is

a) ability to allow modules to take control of the loading of models  
and model paths with the system


b) not require the bootstrap to be completely aware of all modules  
conventions and paths to models


c) ability to register paths on on-demand and when modules are in-use

d) use Zend_Loader::loadClass() so that autoloading is not required,  
thus allowing op-code caches better cacheability since LoadClass()  
results in a require_once. (theoretically).



That being said, I still think there is a lot of value in such a  
component.


-ralph


--

Simon Mundy | Director | PEPTOLAB

""" " "" "" "" "" """ " "" " " " "  "" "" "
202/258 Flinders Lane | Melbourne | Victoria | Australia | 3000
Voice +61 (0) 3 9654 4324 | Mobile 0438 046 061 | Fax +61 (0) 3 9654  
4124

http://www.peptolab.com




Re: [fw-general] Model Loading helper (Everyone likes diagrams!)

2007-06-20 Thread Ralph Schindler


Shahar Evron wrote:

I generally like the idea as long as it is kept optional. I personally
like to load models by defining a model path (eg. APP_MODEL_DIR)
constant in my bootstrap file, and then call

Zend_Loader::loadClass('User', APP_MODEL_DIR); 


I completely agree with you there, and yes, it would be an optional 
component of course, and what you describe works well in non-modular 
environments.



whenever I need to. IMHO it's clean enough and super fast, and I don't
like the idea of loading an extra class and calling some methods just
for loading a model class. 


ModelLoader becomes important for fulfilling the role of finding the 
path to models (usually based on some convention) that belong to an 
in-use component.


The requirements this component fulfills is

a) ability to allow modules to take control of the loading of models and 
model paths with the system


b) not require the bootstrap to be completely aware of all modules 
conventions and paths to models


c) ability to register paths on on-demand and when modules are in-use

d) use Zend_Loader::loadClass() so that autoloading is not required, 
thus allowing op-code caches better cacheability since LoadClass() 
results in a require_once. (theoretically).



That being said, I still think there is a lot of value in such a component.

-ralph





Re: [fw-general] Model Loading helper (Everyone likes diagrams!)

2007-06-20 Thread Shahar Evron
I generally like the idea as long as it is kept optional. I personally
like to load models by defining a model path (eg. APP_MODEL_DIR)
constant in my bootstrap file, and then call

Zend_Loader::loadClass('User', APP_MODEL_DIR); 

whenever I need to. IMHO it's clean enough and super fast, and I don't
like the idea of loading an extra class and calling some methods just
for loading a model class. 

Shahar.


On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:09 -0500, Ralph Schindler wrote:
> Thus fitting into this visual representation:
> 
> http://ralphschindler.com/tmp/ZF-MVC-Diagram.jpg
> 
> 
> PS: we need more diagrams in ZF docs ;)
-- 
Shahar Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical Consultant
Zend Technologies

Mobile: +972 54 30 99 446
Office: +972  3 75 39 500 ext. 9546



signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part


Re: [fw-general] Model Loading helper (Everyone likes diagrams!)

2007-06-18 Thread Ralph Schindler

Thus fitting into this visual representation:

http://ralphschindler.com/tmp/ZF-MVC-Diagram.jpg


PS: we need more diagrams in ZF docs ;)