Re: Lombard sleeps, and sleeps and sleeps... WAKIE WAKIE!!

2004-11-07 Thread csean 
on 07/11/2004 21:30, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> My wife has a Lombard 400 with OS X.3.5
> 
> Whenever it goes to sleep it doesn't wake up whatever
> one presses or does.
> 
> The CAPS lock works, the optical mouse is on (lit), but
> it refuses to wake up. Pressing the power button does
> nothing. The only way to is to force re-boot by doing
> infamous three finger salute...
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> Larry

I found this problem on both a Lombard and a Pismo, when I installed a 3rd
party Combo CD-RW/DVD in place of the original DVD reader. The problem was
that the Combo wasn't set to Master.

Chris


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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 08/11/04 00:12, David Thrower at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> One beep and no start in a Pismo means that the RAM
>> is bad or unseated.
>> Reseat the RAM and tell me what happens.
>> 
>> Kyle H. Hansen
> 
> 
> hi - thanks Kyle, i tried reseating it again, with the
> same result... bad RAM the sole culprit, or could it
> also be the processor?

I would personally think it's the RAM. When the processor is bad or not
seated properly, you usually don't get any chime at all. If you can, try to
remove the top RAM chip on the processor daughtercard. Do you know how much
RAM was in the machine and whether 3rd party RAM was added?

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Re: Wallstreet and UDF

2004-11-07 Thread darm0k 
At 04:44 PM -0600 11/04/2004, Pat Heidingsfelder wrote:
I just got a used Wallstreet to play with.  I am not very familiar 
with OS 9.  My MacLife started with OS X.  So, this OS 9 will not 
let me mount a UDF disc!  It wants to initialize it.  The UDF 
extension is there but not working.
It *is* there and it *is* working.
It's just not working the way you want. :)
Apple includes with OS 8/9 an extension called "UDF Volume Access". 
It supports only the ancient ancient UDF 1.02 formatted discs.  The 
difficulty is that you're probably using UDF 1.5 or 2.0 or 2.0.1 
formatted discs!  The solution is to install a updated extension.

Adaptec UDF Volume Access, with supports those newer standards, is 
available for free from Roxio (who bought out Adaptec).

http://www.roxio.com/
HTH,
- Dan.
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Re: X on Wallstreet

2004-11-07 Thread Ben Dyer 
On 8 Nov 2004, at 14:32, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
If you could upgrade the processor for the 300MHz for cheap, then I 
think it
would be worth it, but I'm not sure buying a brand new G4 upgrades is. 
You
are still left with a sub-par video system that can't be upgraded and a
relatively slow system bus. For a few hundred dollars than what you 
would
pay for a G4 upgrade, you could probably find a faster iBook that will 
more
easily support OS X.
Unless there's any sentimental attachment to the machine, Laurent's 
advice is very sound. A 500MHz G4 upgrade, the fastest available for 
the Wallstreet, will cost you upwards of $300 -- and it still won't 
enable you to run OS X particularly well. Add to that the cost of 
upgrading the RAM (256MB is about the minimum), and you're already more 
than a third of the way towards getting a brand-new iBook, with 
wireless networking, a processor more than twice as fast, probably 5-8 
times the hard disk space, a vastly better video card, and full support 
for current and future versions of OS X. Even an older iBook, say 
500-700MHz, would be much faster in OS X than an upgraded Wallstreet -- 
and probably wouldn't cost much more than $350, either.

That said, a Wallstreet can be a worthwhile OS X machine for some 
purposes (mainly office applications like e-mail, web browsing, word 
processing, and so forth). The 266MHz processor is fine, and as long as 
you've got at least 256MB RAM (and a hard drive large enough to store 
OS X -- about 1GB  plus 1GB or so for swapfiles and temporary usage -- 
and your applications and documents), you should be set. A 300MHz 
processor card goes for twice as much as a 266MHz on eBay, so it's 
probably not really worth it for the hypothetical 10% speed boost. Note 
also that most 266MHz cards can be overclocked to at least 300MHz 
without much effort, although there is some soldering required.

Cheers,
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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread David Thrower 
> 
> One beep and no start in a Pismo means that the RAM
> is bad or unseated.
> Reseat the RAM and tell me what happens.
> 
> Kyle H. Hansen


hi - thanks Kyle, i tried reseating it again, with the
same result... bad RAM the sole culprit, or could it
also be the processor?

best regards,
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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread Kyle Hansen 
On 11/7/04 6:07 PM, "David Thrower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> hello all,  i'm putting together a Pismo for my
> daughter's Christmas present as i did for her older
> brother last year.  as before, i decided to add a new
> 5400 rpm Toshiba drive, making sure of course that is
> is ATA-5 compliant as per Other World Computer's item
> description.
> 
> so... i installed it, which is easy in these 'Books as
> i'm sure you all know, buttoned it back up, and upon
> attempting to boot, was greeted not with The Chime,
> but rather with a single beep and a black screen.  i
> opened it back up and made sure connectios were
> secure, and tried again with the same result.  i
> subsequently tried

One beep and no start in a Pismo means that the RAM is bad or unseated.
Reseat the RAM and tell me what happens.

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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread David Thrower 

> Well, David, after all the tests you performed and
> the verifications you
> did, it really looks like the daughtercard is
> toasted, or the processor
> itself. Although, when the daughtercard is not
> seated properly, what you
> usually get is no chime, nothing, except the caps
> lock key and the num key
> that will lit if you press them. So, it might be
> something else. Is the
> chime the usual chime you get when you reboot? Maybe
> one of the memory DIMM
> is damaged or unseated?

> -Laurent.


Laurent - thanks very much.  it's not the "Mac Boot
Chime", but a single note beep, accompanied by the
green light on the LCD hinge blinking and a completely
black screen.

hhh, i'm going to hold out hope as long as
possible, but maybe i'm going to have to plunk down
for another 500mhz processor before Christmas.  boy,
thank goodness i got it early just in case... this
would have really sucked in mid-December.  :(

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Re: X on Wallstreet

2004-11-07 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 07/11/04 21:01, Katherine Zysk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello,
>   What is the highest X that I can put on my Wallstreet 266?
> 
> Is it worth upgrading the processor?

Officially, 10.2.8 (AKA Jaguar) is the highest you can put in a Wallstreet.
However, many Wallstreet owners have been able to put the most recent OS X
release using XPostFacto, with varying degrees of success...

If you could upgrade the processor for the 300MHz for cheap, then I think it
would be worth it, but I'm not sure buying a brand new G4 upgrades is. You
are still left with a sub-par video system that can't be upgraded and a
relatively slow system bus. For a few hundred dollars than what you would
pay for a G4 upgrade, you could probably find a faster iBook that will more
easily support OS X.

Just my $0.02...

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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 07/11/04 21:17, Nancy Lawrence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm sure someone else will mention this, and I know you already tried
> it, but are you sure that you've re-seated the processor card firmly?
> When I upgraded the ram in my Pismo I didn't press hard enough the
> first time and I got nothing upon booting up.  I did some checking
> online and found that you actually have to press pretty hard on the
> bottom right corner (as you're facing the open screen) in order to
> properly re-seat the processor.  I thought for sure I was going to
> break it but it worked after that.

I agree with Nancy that it takes an unusual force to seat it properly, much
more than what you would expect for such fragile electronic parts. Make
sure, as Nancy suggests, that most of your force goes on the lower right
corner as this is where the connector is.

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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread David Thrower 

--- Nancy Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sure someone else will mention this, and I know
hi - thanks very much for your suggestion, but i
really pressed that sucker hard.  i downloaded a
take-apart guide for the Pismo, where i believe it was
mentioned that you have to do this.

yeah, i hate that feeling.  the first time i upgraded
a Mac (the kid's first Performa) processor, i didn't
seat it right, so i called Sonnet Tech Support, and
when the guy said "put it on the floor so you can
really lean into it..." i thought i was going to puke!
 :P  of course, it worked, and i was happy customer
number #147 for him that day i'm sure... ;)


best regards,
David 



> you already tried 
> it, but are you sure that you've re-seated the
> processor card firmly?  
> When I upgraded the ram in my Pismo I didn't press
> hard enough the 
> first time and I got nothing upon booting up.  I did
> some checking 
> online and found that you actually have to press
> pretty hard on the 
> bottom right corner (as you're facing the open
> screen) in order to 
> properly re-seat the processor.  I thought for sure
> I was going to 
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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 07/11/04 21:07, David Thrower at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip!]
> ... each time, single note chime and black screen.  my
> thinking is that i must have damaged the processor
> daughterboard when i pulled on it's tab accidentally
> with the heat tube assembly still screwed down, but i
> don't want to buy a new 500mhz processor/board only to
> find out it's something else...

Well, David, after all the tests you performed and the verifications you
did, it really looks like the daughtercard is toasted, or the processor
itself. Although, when the daughtercard is not seated properly, what you
usually get is no chime, nothing, except the caps lock key and the num key
that will lit if you press them. So, it might be something else. Is the
chime the usual chime you get when you reboot? Maybe one of the memory DIMM
is damaged or unseated?

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Re: Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread Nancy Lawrence 
I'm sure someone else will mention this, and I know you already tried 
it, but are you sure that you've re-seated the processor card firmly?  
When I upgraded the ram in my Pismo I didn't press hard enough the 
first time and I got nothing upon booting up.  I did some checking 
online and found that you actually have to press pretty hard on the 
bottom right corner (as you're facing the open screen) in order to 
properly re-seat the processor.  I thought for sure I was going to 
break it but it worked after that.

HTH...
On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:07 PM, David Thrower wrote:
hello all,  i'm putting together a Pismo for my
daughter's Christmas present as i did for her older
brother last year.  as before, i decided to add a new
5400 rpm Toshiba drive, making sure of course that is
is ATA-5 compliant as per Other World Computer's item
description.
so... i installed it, which is easy in these 'Books as
i'm sure you all know, buttoned it back up, and upon
attempting to boot, was greeted not with The Chime,
but rather with a single beep and a black screen.  i
opened it back up and made sure connectios were
secure, and tried again with the same result.  i
subsequently tried:
1) checking the connections again (keyboard, hard
drive, LCD, PRAM battery)
2) removing, and reseating the processor
daughterboard, as i had inadvertantly pulled on it's
tab when pulling the original hard drive out (of
course, i checked it immediately, but did it again) -
*this might come up again*
3) reinstalled the original hard drive (which worked
fine initially)
4) reseated the processor daughterboard again, and the
single 512Mb RAM chip
5) tried booting with the keyboard  and hard drive(s)
unconnected to see if i could at least get the ?/Boot
Volume (of course, the battery and CD/DVD drive were
unconnected the entire time)
6) pressing the reset button on the back, and then
holding down the power button for twenty seconds
7) and finally, disconnecting the PRAM battery, power
cord, battery, and CD drive, waiting 24 hours, then
resetting and attempting to boot again
... each time, single note chime and black screen.  my
thinking is that i must have damaged the processor
daughterboard when i pulled on it's tab accidentally
with the heat tube assembly still screwed down, but i
don't want to buy a new 500mhz processor/board only to
find out it's something else...
any suggestions would be much appreciated, as a 14
year-old girl's Holday (and, therefore, global peace
and happiness) hangs in the balance.
best regards,
David
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Pismo disaster - please help!

2004-11-07 Thread David Thrower 
hello all,  i'm putting together a Pismo for my
daughter's Christmas present as i did for her older
brother last year.  as before, i decided to add a new
5400 rpm Toshiba drive, making sure of course that is
is ATA-5 compliant as per Other World Computer's item
description.

so... i installed it, which is easy in these 'Books as
i'm sure you all know, buttoned it back up, and upon
attempting to boot, was greeted not with The Chime,
but rather with a single beep and a black screen.  i
opened it back up and made sure connectios were
secure, and tried again with the same result.  i
subsequently tried:

1) checking the connections again (keyboard, hard
drive, LCD, PRAM battery)

2) removing, and reseating the processor
daughterboard, as i had inadvertantly pulled on it's
tab when pulling the original hard drive out (of
course, i checked it immediately, but did it again) -
*this might come up again*

3) reinstalled the original hard drive (which worked
fine initially)

4) reseated the processor daughterboard again, and the
single 512Mb RAM chip

5) tried booting with the keyboard  and hard drive(s)
unconnected to see if i could at least get the ?/Boot
Volume (of course, the battery and CD/DVD drive were
unconnected the entire time)

6) pressing the reset button on the back, and then
holding down the power button for twenty seconds

7) and finally, disconnecting the PRAM battery, power
cord, battery, and CD drive, waiting 24 hours, then
resetting and attempting to boot again

... each time, single note chime and black screen.  my
thinking is that i must have damaged the processor
daughterboard when i pulled on it's tab accidentally
with the heat tube assembly still screwed down, but i
don't want to buy a new 500mhz processor/board only to
find out it's something else... 

any suggestions would be much appreciated, as a 14
year-old girl's Holday (and, therefore, global peace
and happiness) hangs in the balance.

best regards,
David 

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X on Wallstreet

2004-11-07 Thread Katherine Zysk 
Hello,
What is the highest X that I can put on my Wallstreet 266?

Is it worth upgrading the processor?

Thanks,
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Lombard sleeps, and sleeps and sleeps... WAKIE WAKIE!!

2004-11-07 Thread Larry le Mac 
My wife has a Lombard 400 with OS X.3.5
Whenever it goes to sleep it doesn't wake up whatever
one presses or does.
The CAPS lock works, the optical mouse is on (lit), but
it refuses to wake up. Pressing the power button does
nothing. The only way to is to force re-boot by doing
infamous three finger salute...
?
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Re: Wallstreet and UDF

2004-11-07 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 07/11/04 12:29, George Mogiljansky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> My experience with a Series II is that the Panther
> installer chokes , i.e. the video goes haywire a few
> minutes before the end on the install. I reboot and
> Panther seems to work, but some programs do not work
> or are not installed, e.g. Stuffit, Safari (but the
> app and alias in the dock are both present).
> Luckily, Mozilla installed (so I can still use the
> Net) and Preview (the pdf reader app). Prefs are
> accessible.
> 
> I used XPostFacto without the special video setting
> (thanks to Ben Dyer) for Wallstreet. With the special
> setting I could not install Panther at all.
> Best
> George
> 
> What is the "dim screen problem"
>> anyway?
>> 

Ah, I see, Panther on a Wallstreet...

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of complaining about having to live with such decisions. As in "Don't ask me
why we need to write a compiler in COBOL, I'm just a code monkey." 


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Re: Wallstreet and UDF

2004-11-07 Thread George Mogiljansky 
My experience with a Series II is that the Panther
installer chokes , i.e. the video goes haywire a few
minutes before the end on the install. I reboot and
Panther seems to work, but some programs do not work
or are not installed, e.g. Stuffit, Safari (but the
app and alias in the dock are both present).
Luckily, Mozilla installed (so I can still use the
Net) and Preview (the pdf reader app). Prefs are
accessible.

I used XPostFacto without the special video setting
(thanks to Ben Dyer) for Wallstreet. With the special
setting I could not install Panther at all.
Best
George

 What is the "dim screen problem"
> anyway?
> 
> -Laurent.




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