Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Andrew]

Adding the ram will of course help, as will avoiding Windows XP.  Windows
2000 runs well enough, and since you have 50% more speed than I do, it
should be better still.

I devoted 384MB of physical RAM to VPC and am satisfied with the results.

Andrew

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I was really disappointed to see that VPC 7 is being delayed until the 2nd
half of 2004... I can only imagine that the folks with G5s who need VPC
are even more frustrated.

At this point the only thing I really need to work under Windows is ACT!
and I would like to be able to view my web pages in IE for Windows w/o
having to boot my Windows machine.

I was wondering whether Win98 vs Win2000 vs WinXP would make a significant
difference.  I'm on a PB 15"/1.5Ghz with 512mb ram perhaps this would
be a good time to add another 512mb?

TjL

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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Timothy J. Luoma]

I was really disappointed to see that VPC 7 is being delayed until the 2nd  
half of 2004... I can only imagine that the folks with G5s who need VPC  
are even more frustrated.

At this point the only thing I really need to work under Windows is ACT!  
and I would like to be able to view my web pages in IE for Windows w/o  
having to boot my Windows machine.

I was wondering whether Win98 vs Win2000 vs WinXP would make a significant  
difference.  I'm on a PB 15"/1.5Ghz with 512mb ram perhaps this would  
be a good time to add another 512mb?

TjL
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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Jeff Hubatka]

From: Jim Scolman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:13:55 -0700
Hi All, any thoughts, ideas, DIRECT EXPERIENCE with MS Virtual PC 6.1
and Panther 10.3.3 ?  I am using a Pismo/400, 640MB RAM, lots of fast
HD, and Panther 10.3.3.  PLEASE no rants about why, or M$, or the Dark
Side.  This is a business decision and I only want to use on laptop, so
only real experience please.  Thanks for your thought, Jim.
I use it running W98 on a TiBook 500 with 1GB RAM. It's a little slow, 
but if you are only using it to accomplish a single function, then it 
may be acceptable. I have one program that requires a PC so I can live 
with it, but of course I'd like a faster PowerBook to help out. If you 
have to do everything in VPC you might be disappointed in the speed 
aspect. I recommend assigning as much real RAM to VPC as you 
cansince you have 640 I'd say give VPC at least 256 or maybe even 
320. BTW, using MSIE in the virtual machine is painfully slow, and 
Mozilla and Firefox crashed it every time so I removed them.

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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[larry Zasitko]

Jim,
I have been using Virtual PC v6 on a 12" Powerbook 1.33ghz etc so mine  
will not be a direct comparison to your setup. I have win 2000 and I  
use primarily business software, (Autocad 2000) and it works actually  
pretty good. I can't imagine it on a slower setup. If you need the odd  
PC program and can live with it being a bit slower (depends on what you  
want to run) it may work out alright. VPC is supposed to be around  
20-25% faster than previous versions and from what I have seen  
(comparing to a 1ghz iBook with VPC 5 it is significantly faster. I  
bought the Powerbook to replace a PC portable that died and so far it  
has been great. Max the ram in your computer and stay away from XP as  
they really need a lot of ram etc to run. Win98SE runs maybe a touch  
faster than win 2000 but either one is good.

On May 19, 2004, at 9:13 PM, Jim Scolman wrote:
Hi All, any thoughts, ideas, DIRECT EXPERIENCE with MS Virtual PC 6.1  
and Panther 10.3.3 ?  I am using a Pismo/400, 640MB RAM, lots of fast  
HD, and Panther 10.3.3.  PLEASE no rants about why, or M$, or the Dark  
Side.  This is a business decision and I only want to use on laptop,  
so only real experience please.  Thanks for your thought, Jim.

..
Jim Scolman
 

Larry Zasitko
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12" G4 1.33ghz PowerBook, 768 meg ram, Superdrive, Airport Extreme
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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Harry D . Corsover]

On May 20, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
One of my favourite games is Sid Meier's Gettysburg. Only on PC. Plays
fine - except there *are* audio problems with VPC under OS X. Under OS 
9,
no problems (G4 AGP 500).
I don't do games (regardless of OS), but I do notice the audio problems 
in PVC (Win XP Pro) in Panther. Even the startup and shutdown sounds 
kind of stutter. Does anyone know if adding more RAM will help this, or 
is it not worth the money and trouble? I currently have 768 MB  RAM, 
and have 256 MB assigned to "PC Memory." Would assigning more help with 
this?

Thanks.
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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Frank P. Eigler]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have VPC 6.1.0, 10.3.3, 768mb, on a Pismo 500mhz.  On it I run Windows
> 95, 98, and XP.  If you have patience (lots and lots of patience), then
> everything seems to run OK.  I use it primarily for MS Project and MS
> Visio for consulting projects.  Forget gaming!
  ^

Umm, let's qualify that one. If you're talking Quake, UT, etc (i.e.
"action"), agreed. However, as a previous poster pointed out other games
such as Age of Empires are fine.

One of my favourite games is Sid Meier's Gettysburg. Only on PC. Plays
fine - except there *are* audio problems with VPC under OS X. Under OS 9,
no problems (G4 AGP 500).

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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

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I have VPC 6.1.0, 10.3.3, 768mb, on a Pismo 500mhz.  On it I run Windows 95, 98, and 
XP.  If you have patience (lots and lots of patience), then everything seems to run 
OK.  I use it primarily for MS Project and MS Visio for consulting projects.  Forget 
gaming!

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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Andrew]

I use VPC on my Sawtooth 400MHz G4 and my 1GHz 12" PowerBook, though 
both of those machines are considerably more powerful than your Pismo.  
Screen draws are slow, as is disk access (it has to translate from the 
Mac vollume into a "Hard Drive" file in both directions, which is done 
in software, and of course the PC video card is emulated, with 
everything drawn not by the Mac's GPU, but rather by its CPU, as the 
emulation is a program.

Despite all that against it, Virtual PC isn't that bad.  I had a 
Pentium 133MHz laptop PC running Windows 2000 and on everything except 
screen and disk, VPC is much faster.  I also still have a Pentium 
266MHz MMX laptop running Windows XP, and VPC under Windows 2000 is 
about equal in most tasks.  It is too slow to play videos well, though 
MP3 music plays fine, and even light games like the old "Age of 
Empires" runs adequately.

Where VPC is best is in math or non-video intensive applications.  I 
use it to run Internet Explorer 6, which is required for a few sites I 
use at work, and it is almost as fast as a real PC, and not at all 
annoying.  Programs like Word Processors run just fine, as do even 
graphical tools (I tried Photoshop 5.5 and it wasn't bad).

Of course, on a 400MHz G3 your experience will be different than mine, 
though another option is to boot OS9 and run VPC from there.  I don't 
know why, but on my Sawtooth VPC is much faster under OS9 than under 
10.3.3, though VPC on my PowerBook (10.3.3 only) is MUCH faster than on 
the Sawtooth in OS9.  Could be all of the extra ram on the PowerBook.

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On May 19, 2004, at 8:13 PM, Jim Scolman wrote:
Hi All, any thoughts, ideas, DIRECT EXPERIENCE with MS Virtual PC 6.1 
and Panther 10.3.3 ?  I am using a Pismo/400, 640MB RAM, lots of fast 
HD, and Panther 10.3.3.  PLEASE no rants about why, or M$, or the Dark 
Side.  This is a business decision and I only want to use on laptop, 
so only real experience please.  Thanks for your thought, Jim.



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Re: ...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Edward Floden]

On 2004-May-19, at 22:13, Jim Scolman wrote:
Hi All, any thoughts, ideas, DIRECT EXPERIENCE with MS Virtual PC 6.1 
and Panther 10.3.3 ?  I am using a Pismo/400, 640MB RAM, lots of fast 
HD, and Panther 10.3.3.
It works, but it's slow, and I've got a 500MHz Pismo.
If you're using the typical Office apps, you'll notice the speed -- or 
lack thereof -- but the problem is not fatal, just really annoying. 
It's akin to Mac OS X 10.0 on a 500MHz Pismo, or so I seem to recall.

The worst problem that I've encountered is in using IE 6 to access a 
web application for editing web pages. The web app relies on DirectX, 
and refreshing the window can take 20 seconds or more. If you're 
planning to use IE a lot, be preparing for much waiting.

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...Panther + MS Virtual PC v6.1

[Jim Scolman]

Hi All, any thoughts, ideas, DIRECT EXPERIENCE with MS Virtual PC 6.1 
and Panther 10.3.3 ?  I am using a Pismo/400, 640MB RAM, lots of fast 
HD, and Panther 10.3.3.  PLEASE no rants about why, or M$, or the Dark 
Side.  This is a business decision and I only want to use on laptop, so 
only real experience please.  Thanks for your thought, Jim.



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