Re: Mail confirmation

2004-04-07 Thread Susan Platter 
I have received email that included a request for confirmation of 
receipt as a separate item from my reply. It was probably Outlook 
Express, but was a good while ago. I could have ignored it without 
problems, but chose to confirm, as it was a business subject.

Susan
Swindon, Wiltshire
England
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Subject: Re: Mail confirmation.
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Andre,

I know AOL offers a form of delivery confirmation, but it is limited
to mail between AOL users, and not the internet at large.  In fact, as
far as I know, internet mail systems have no mechanism for such
feedback, and since it's all FREE mail, there is really no one who's
responsible for mail delivery.  Your ISP cannot even assure you that
mail will be delivered, all they can do is say that it's been sent out
on its way.  This is a basic flaw in the way email works, and it boils
down to the adage you get what you pay for.  If you don't pay a
per-message charge (or pay for a closed system such as AOL), you are
entitled to no expectation that messages will be delivered, or even
sent, let alone confirmation that someone read it.
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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-07 Thread invicta 
Dear Anne, Jim and Dan,

Thank you all for your info. It's clear now but I will stick to Mail 
and forget about the 'confirmation'

Greetings, Andre.

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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-07 Thread invicta 
On 7 Apr 2004, at 21:30, G-Books wrote:

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Subject: Re: Mail confirmation.
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:56:17 -0400
One other way, actualy that i use is Stuffit Deluxe 8.0 or above. In
the prefs. you can set up priority and receipt fonctions.
Next time you launch your Apple mail it will display receipts .

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Thank you Hugo but that's to much trouble. I only have Stuffit 
Standard, it's free.

Greetings, Andre.

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Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread invicta 
Hello All,

I'm using Mail 1.3 on my PB 17 and wonder; is there a setting which 
will confirm that my e-mail has reached it's destination? Similar to 
'registered' when using snail mail. Even better would be a setting 
confirming that the message has been opened.

TIA and greetings, Andre.

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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread Jim 
Andre,

I know AOL offers a form of delivery confirmation, but it is limited 
to mail between AOL users, and not the internet at large.  In fact, as 
far as I know, internet mail systems have no mechanism for such 
feedback, and since it's all FREE mail, there is really no one who's 
responsible for mail delivery.  Your ISP cannot even assure you that 
mail will be delivered, all they can do is say that it's been sent out 
on its way.  This is a basic flaw in the way email works, and it boils 
down to the adage you get what you pay for.  If you don't pay a 
per-message charge (or pay for a closed system such as AOL), you are 
entitled to no expectation that messages will be delivered, or even 
sent, let alone confirmation that someone read it.

This is truly a philosophical controversy.  On one side are people who 
believe things should be free and open, and on the other are those who 
believe that service-for-pay is superior.  I have had lengthy 
discussions with computer engineers who are of the mindset that it's 
none of my business whether a particular recipient has checked their 
email, read their email, or even been online sufficiently to know that 
I've sent them email, because that's an invasion of the recipients 
privacy.  (Maybe they've called in sick to work should be in bed, not 
be reading spy-mail from their employer.)  In a sense, because the 
recipient is paying their ISP for incoming mail service, they ARE 
entitled to a degree of protection from snooping and surveillance.  
This mindset at least has helped curtail spam, since if return-receipts 
were available, it would automatically verify the validity of each 
email address--at present spammers resort to ignorance on the part of 
recipients, to click on buttons or have their email client 
automatically download pictures, in order to verify an email address.

So, if you want a level of service that gives you message delivery 
confirmation, you will need to pay for and use a closed system, and it 
will likely be in your corporate best interest to have exactly that for 
in-house use.

Remember, if something is being given away for free, it almost 
assuredly has no value.

--Jim giver of free advice.

From: invicta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello All,

 I'm using Mail 1.3 on my PB 17 and wonder; is there a setting which 
will confirm that my e-mail has reached it's destination? Similar to 
'registered' when using snail mail. Even better would be a setting 
confirming that the message has been opened.

 TIA and greetings, Andre.
 

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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread Anne Judge 
On Apr 6, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Jim wrote:

Andre,

I know AOL offers a form of delivery confirmation, but it is limited 
to mail between AOL users, and not the internet at large.  In fact, as 
far as I know, internet mail systems have no mechanism for such 
feedback, and since it's all FREE mail, there is really no one who's 
responsible for mail delivery.
Eudora  Netscape/Mozilla at least - don't know about others - allow 
for receipt confirmations - but require an email client at the far end 
that also supports it, plus the user at the far end has to have his/her 
mailer set so it at least gives the option of acknowledging receipt. (I 
remember the prefs of at least one of those clients gives the options 
do not respond, ask before responding, or always respond to 
return receipt requests - always respond is bad because it could 
confirm your address to spammers, but if they have it set to do not 
respond you won't get the receipt even if the message is received.)

I tested this a while ago sending from Eudora to a church address that 
distributes to 5 or 6 people.  I got acknowledgments from the Netscape 
user  someone who gets her mail at work.  No response from any of the 
AOL users, so I assume their client doesn't support it.

Mail does not appear to include this option.

In Eudora I believe it's the RR button at the top of a compose window.

Too long since I used Netscape to remember.

Anne

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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread dan_A 
On Apr 6, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Anne Judge wrote:

Eudora  Netscape/Mozilla at least - don't know about others - allow 
for receipt confirmations - but require an email client at the far end 
that also supports it, plus the user at the far end has to have 
his/her mailer set so it at least gives the option of acknowledging 
receipt. (I remember the prefs of at least one of those clients gives 
the options do not respond, ask before responding, or always 
respond to return receipt requests - always respond is bad because it 
could confirm your address to spammers, but if they have it set to do 
not respond you won't get the receipt even if the message is 
received.)
There is a way to know if your mail reached its destination, not if 
someone opened it. It can't be 100% guaranteed that if you miss-address 
an eMail it will come back to you, sometimes the next day but usually 
almost right away, returned by the daemon mailer as an error. I would 
be addressed to you something like this:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   April 6, 2004 11:49:31 AM EDT
Subject:Undeliverable mail: Re: Mail confirmation.
It won't come back if miss addressed and the address is some-ones 
actual address, though they might get in touch with you about it. If 
your email can't be delivered, it will come back. If it doesn't return 
then someone got it. It's their privilege and choice to open it or toss 
it unread, and that's what's great about email.
	
dan_A

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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread Edward Floden 
On 2004-Apr-06, at 11:18, dan_A wrote:

It won't come back if miss addressed and the address is some-ones 
actual address
That's not necessarily true.

Many domains, including mine, direct all misaddressed mail to a 
'catch-all' account. The message won't bounce, even though the user to 
which it was sent doesn't exist.

If it doesn't return then someone got it. It's their privilege and 
choice to open it or toss it unread, and that's what's great about 
email.
But you're correct about that. Now, whether I ever look at the 
misaddressed mail, that's my problem. :)

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Re: (OT) Mail confirmation

2004-04-06 Thread Mikael Byström 
invicta, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I'm using Mail 1.3 on my PB 17 and wonder; is there a setting which 
will confirm that my e-mail has reached it's destination? Similar to 
'registered' when using snail mail. Even better would be a setting 
confirming that the message has been opened.

Nothing that you actually can trust, especially outside your organisation.



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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread Hugo Trottier 
One other way, actualy that i use is Stuffit Deluxe 8.0 or above. In 
the prefs. you can set up priority and receipt fonctions.

Next time you launch your Apple mail it will display receipts .

Regards

Hugo Trottier
Editor
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On 6-Apr-04, at 11:04 AM, Anne Judge wrote:

On Apr 6, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Jim wrote:

Andre,

I know AOL offers a form of delivery confirmation, but it is 
limited to mail between AOL users, and not the internet at large.  In 
fact, as far as I know, internet mail systems have no mechanism for 
such feedback, and since it's all FREE mail, there is really no one 
who's responsible for mail delivery.
Eudora  Netscape/Mozilla at least - don't know about others - allow 
for receipt confirmations - but require an email client at the far end 
that also supports it, plus the user at the far end has to have 
his/her mailer set so it at least gives the option of acknowledging 
receipt. (I remember the prefs of at least one of those clients gives 
the options do not respond, ask before responding, or always 
respond to return receipt requests - always respond is bad because it 
could confirm your address to spammers, but if they have it set to do 
not respond you won't get the receipt even if the message is 
received.)

I tested this a while ago sending from Eudora to a church address that 
distributes to 5 or 6 people.  I got acknowledgments from the Netscape 
user  someone who gets her mail at work.  No response from any of the 
AOL users, so I assume their client doesn't support it.

Mail does not appear to include this option.

In Eudora I believe it's the RR button at the top of a compose 
window.

Too long since I used Netscape to remember.

Anne

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Re: Mail confirmation.

2004-04-06 Thread Mikael Byström 
Hugo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

One other way, actualy that i use is Stuffit Deluxe 8.0 or above. In 
the prefs. you can set up priority and receipt fonctions.

Next time you launch your Apple mail it will display receipts .
And only for those organisations that supports these. How many do?



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