Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Clark Martin]

At 7:09 PM +1000 10/1/03, Peter Sealy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 06:05  PM, Tony Coult wrote:

I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being an
"early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)?
As apparently you have not yet used any version of OS X, I would 
wait a while after Panther is released before you install. Watch the 
Mac web sites and lists such as this to see if there are any hassles 
reported and fixes given. My reasoning is that OS X does take a bit 
of getting used to and those of us who are reasonably familiar with 
it will have a better idea of how to deal with those bugs than 
someone for whom OS X is brand new. I would suggest you may struggle 
a bit trying to come to terms with a new and different OS while at 
the same time resolving any bugs in it [if there are any]. To 
forestall the critics jumping on board here, I opine OS X is great 
and once you are familiar with its differences you won't go back. 
But it is different. And accepting the view that the first release 
of Panther may have a few bugs, waiting a few weeks after its 
release won't do any harm. You have waited long enough now to jump 
on the X bandwagon. In my case I waited till X 10.1 before 
upgrading. Yes, I know there is a mile of difference between the 
early versions of X and Panther but I shall be waiting at least a 
few months before upgrading from 10.2.6 to 10.3.


Personally I've always found the idea of waiting for others to find 
the bugs a bad idea.  I mean if we all did that we'd still be using 
OS 0.9.  But then again I'm better able to deal with problems that 
show up.

But I haven't used  any OS version yet that caused much grief.  And 
that includes most none machine specific versions since OS 2.0 or so, 
including 7.5.2.

That said you might want to consider waiting to upgrade till Panther 
comes out to avoid buying OS X twice.  Apple has in the past had free 
or low cost upgrades if you bought the previous version of the OS or 
a computer within so many months prior to the release of the new 
software.  But who knows just when Panther will ship.
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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Peter Sealy]

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 06:05  PM, Tony Coult wrote:

I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being 
an
"early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)?
As apparently you have not yet used any version of OS X, I would wait a 
while after Panther is released before you install. Watch the Mac web 
sites and lists such as this to see if there are any hassles reported 
and fixes given. My reasoning is that OS X does take a bit of getting 
used to and those of us who are reasonably familiar with it will have a 
better idea of how to deal with those bugs than someone for whom OS X 
is brand new. I would suggest you may struggle a bit trying to come to 
terms with a new and different OS while at the same time resolving any 
bugs in it [if there are any]. To forestall the critics jumping on 
board here, I opine OS X is great and once you are familiar with its 
differences you won't go back. But it is different. And accepting the 
view that the first release of Panther may have a few bugs, waiting a 
few weeks after its release won't do any harm. You have waited long 
enough now to jump on the X bandwagon. In my case I waited till X 10.1 
before upgrading. Yes, I know there is a mile of difference between the 
early versions of X and Panther but I shall be waiting at least a few 
months before upgrading from 10.2.6 to 10.3.

HTH

.

Peter Sealy
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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Thomas Ethen]

Exactly! Always stay one step behind unless you enjoy working out problems
with any new OS. 

Tom

> Come on, guys, don't be so nitpicky. You all know that the first releases of
> almost any piece of software almost always have quirks and problems, that's
> not rocket science.
> 
> -Laurent.


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Krevnik]

Usually the note Apple sends with the seed. Even Apple lets us 
developers know when it has hit the 5-8 final candidates.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 08:51 AM, David M. Ensteness wrote:

Out of curiosity - what signs are you looking for?

David

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:45  AM, Krevnik wrote:

Apple hasn't even given signs towards a candidate seed yet... so 
there is work yet to be done on Panther.


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[David M. Ensteness]

Out of curiosity - what signs are you looking for?

David

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:45  AM, Krevnik wrote:

Apple hasn't even given signs towards a candidate seed yet... so there 
is work yet to be done on Panther.


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Krevnik]

Apple hasn't even given signs towards a candidate seed yet... so there  
is work yet to be done on Panther.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 06:09 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

on 30/09/03 04:05, Tony Coult at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being  
an
"early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)? And will I be able to use the  
same
system on both machines? Thanks for your collective wisdom
You will be able to use the same system on both machines, but, if I  
was you,
I would maybe wait a little bit before getting Panther right when it  
comes
out, unless having a little problem here and there doesn't bother you  
too
much. I'm currently running Panther on my Pismo and although the last
pre-release build is a lot better now, I still think it's not ready for
prime time. So, if Apple works on it a little more, it might be good  
when it
comes out. If they try to rush out, then expect some disagreements...

-Laurent.
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to
writeable or re-writeable CD media. Certainly related to the  
coaster-like
shape of a CD, and the relative value of these failures. "I made a lot  
of
coasters before I got a good CD." 2. Useless CDs received in the mail  
from
the likes of AOL, MSN, CI$, Prodigy, ad nauseam.

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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 30/09/03 11:30, "David M. Ensteness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On a related note about 10.3 builds being ready, without knowing which
> one he is talking about its hard to know what he doesn't think is
> ready, but obviously there are little things to be worked on right up
> until it goes to GM and into production. If they had everything worked
> out before that point, then by definition they would be at that point.

Come on, guys, don't be so nitpicky. You all know that the first releases of
almost any piece of software almost always have quirks and problems, that's
not rocket science.

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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[David M. Ensteness]

On a related note about 10.3 builds being ready, without knowing which 
one he is talking about its hard to know what he doesn't think is 
ready, but obviously there are little things to be worked on right up 
until it goes to GM and into production. If they had everything worked 
out before that point, then by definition they would be at that point.

David

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:23  AM, David M. Ensteness wrote:

If he were under NDA he couldn't even share what he said below. 
Apple's NDAs are fairly comprehensive, basically, if you don't already 
know, then I can't tell you.

David

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:10  AM, Steve Fuller wrote:

much. I'm currently running Panther on my Pismo and although the last
pre-release build is a lot better now, I still think it's not ready 
for
prime time. So, if Apple works on it a little more, it might be good 
when it
comes out. If they try to rush out, then expect some disagreements...
Since you've mentioned this much, I'll assume you are not under NDA 
and can elaborate on what you don't feel is quite ready???

Steve


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[David M. Ensteness]

If he were under NDA he couldn't even share what he said below. Apple's 
NDAs are fairly comprehensive, basically, if you don't already know, 
then I can't tell you.

David

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:10  AM, Steve Fuller wrote:

much. I'm currently running Panther on my Pismo and although the last
pre-release build is a lot better now, I still think it's not ready 
for
prime time. So, if Apple works on it a little more, it might be good 
when it
comes out. If they try to rush out, then expect some disagreements...
Since you've mentioned this much, I'll assume you are not under NDA 
and can elaborate on what you don't feel is quite ready???

Steve


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Steve Fuller]

much. I'm currently running Panther on my Pismo and although the last
pre-release build is a lot better now, I still think it's not ready for
prime time. So, if Apple works on it a little more, it might be good 
when it
comes out. If they try to rush out, then expect some disagreements...
Since you've mentioned this much, I'll assume you are not under NDA and 
can elaborate on what you don't feel is quite ready???

Steve

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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 30/09/03 04:05, Tony Coult at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
> jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being an
> "early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)? And will I be able to use the same
> system on both machines? Thanks for your collective wisdom

You will be able to use the same system on both machines, but, if I was you,
I would maybe wait a little bit before getting Panther right when it comes
out, unless having a little problem here and there doesn't bother you too
much. I'm currently running Panther on my Pismo and although the last
pre-release build is a lot better now, I still think it's not ready for
prime time. So, if Apple works on it a little more, it might be good when it
comes out. If they try to rush out, then expect some disagreements...

-Laurent.
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writeable or re-writeable CD media. Certainly related to the coaster-like
shape of a CD, and the relative value of these failures. "I made a lot of
coasters before I got a good CD." 2. Useless CDs received in the mail from
the likes of AOL, MSN, CI$, Prodigy, ad nauseam. 


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Krevnik]

I don't think this is early adoption... X has been available since late 
2000. The early adopters were running the Public Beta. Panther even in 
the beta state is pretty stable, although you will want to wait for 
drivers you may need to get ported but being on a CRT iMac and 
Pismo, you probably not have much custom hardware that isn't USB or 
Firewire based.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 01:05 AM, Tony Coult wrote:

I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being 
an
"early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)? And will I be able to use the 
same
system on both machines? Thanks for your collective wisdom
TONY C.


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Steve Fuller]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:05:28AM +0100, Tony Coult wrote:
:
: I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking 
of
: jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about 
being an
: "early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)?

Some people avoid the initial releases and instead wait a few weeks for
the most common bugs to turn up.  Other people might wait even longer
until the first update is available.
Some of these people are still running OS 9. ;-)

Steve Fuller

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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Matt Halter]

There is no need to wait.  As we just saw last week ANY update can have 
a problem.  OS X is very good as is.  I have been running X on my 
wallstreet since the first week it was out--a true early adopter.  It 
takes about a week to break your old habits.  My only question is why 
now?

Matt

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 04:42  AM, Eugene Lee wrote:

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:05:28AM +0100, Tony Coult wrote:
:
: I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking 
of
: jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about 
being an
: "early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)?


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Re: Moving from 9 to X

[Eugene Lee]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:05:28AM +0100, Tony Coult wrote:
: 
: I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
: jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being an
: "early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)?

Some people avoid the initial releases and instead wait a few weeks for
the most common bugs to turn up.  Other people might wait even longer
until the first update is available.

: And will I be able to use the same
: system on both machines? Thanks for your collective wisdom

You should be able to run Panther on both Macs.  The supposed cutoff for
official Panther support are Macs with built-in USB ports.  Your Macs
should be fine.  But if the cutoff is true, then older Macs like the
Beige G3 PowerMacs and the Wallstreet PowerBooks will be among the Macs
no longer supported by Panther.


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Moving from 9 to X

[Tony Coult]

I'm currently running 9.2.2 on a Pismo and a CRT iMac. I'm thinking of
jumping up to X Panther when it comes out. Should I worry about being an
"early adopter" (aka mug or guineapig)? And will I be able to use the same
system on both machines? Thanks for your collective wisdom
TONY C.


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