Re: Macs virii (was Re: OS X mail quota)
On 7/6/02 12:36 AM Donald Keena edified us all by writing: If one were to receive a message bearing a virus (e.g. klez), what happens to it on a mac? Does it get deleted via emptying one's old mail? Depending on where in the e-mail it is (as attachment, etc.), the virus may just appear as an attachment. If so, you can probably (depending on your e-mail client) drag and drop it to the trash. However, if you're running an email client which supports HTML, you are susceptible to some virii that way (and some e-mail clients allowing macros can get a macro virus). A good argument for turning off HTML display (or using that antique email client, Claris Emailer). Does it reside in any particular place? I heard someone say it would just sit there. Where? In one's mail app? It doesn't latch onto the code of an application? If the virus is written for Wintel machines (and not a macro virus), it can't run on a Mac because the code for the chips is different on each machine. One reason more why Macs make a better choice - smaller market share means less incentive for nasty programmers to write virii for the Mac. If the attachment is some Windows file ( .dll, .exe, etc.) I usually don't forward it (or I'll forward it but without the attachment). HTH, Jim Rohde -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Donald Keenan writes: I tried to cut and paste the message and send it in a message to this list, but the message was not deliverable and the message was returned by the Mail Daemon. It contained a mime attachment and Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.maclaunch.com Is this perchance virus related? The message being rejected by the list server would not be virus related. Because we reject any email with an attachment, the list is virus-proof. And that's why your attempted posting was rejected -- I'm guessing Apple's Mail application appended the message as an attachment, not as text within the email you sent. -- Dan Knight, president/\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Cobweb Publishing, Inc. \ / No HTML/RTF in email http://cobwebpublishing.com X No Word docs in email / \ Respect Open Standards! http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/9910/27.deb.shtml -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Thanks Dan. I'm learning a lot from you all on the list. As always, I appreciate the help and explanations offered. Is this perchance virus related? The message being rejected by the list server would not be virus related. Because we reject any email with an attachment, the list is virus-proof. And that's why your attempted posting was rejected -- I'm guessing Apple's Mail application appended the message as an attachment, not as text within the email you sent. -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Hi, If this goes through then it must be a fault with the copy/paste. Which I have tried to do on this list using Netscape 4.78 Messenger. I get copy/paste stuff I send bounced back. Cheers Richard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Michael: If one were to receive a message bearing a virus (e.g. klez), what happens to it on a mac? Does it get deleted via emptying one's old mail? Does it reside in any particular place? I heard someone say it would just sit there. Where? In one's mail app? It doesn't latch onto the code of an application? Donald On Saturday, July 6, 2002, at 12:18 AM, Michael Bryan Bell wrote: I worried about viruses because I'm still foolishly running my Pismo without anti-virus software. I wouldn't worry about it much anyways- there hasn't been (I believe) a real mac virus since the early bird days, and that was disk bound. You can receive them (I get at least 4 of the klez variant every day) but they can't hurt you. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
If one were to receive a message bearing a virus (e.g. klez), what happens to it on a mac? Generally, absolutely nothing. :) Does it get deleted via emptying one's old mail? Yes it does. Does it reside in any particular place? It resides as an attachment embedded within the email- usually you will see .pif or a few other names- there are something like 3-4 variants that all use different tricks such as subject and message lines. The real nasty thing about the klez virus is that it is incredibly hard to figure out where it came from. It has its own SMTP engine, and keeps lists of names of machines it has infected and mixes and matches the from and to. So someone might actually get a message that looks like it came from you that has a virus in it, but you never sent it, or you might get one from someone you don't know at all. I heard someone say it would just sit there. Where? In one's mail app? Yep, it will essentially sit there within your mail application. Kind of like if you emailed a PC user an applescript and they double clicked it- nothing would happen, because their PC doesn't have applescript to hook into. But, they could forward that applescript to a mac user and that mac user could then run it. It doesn't latch onto the code of an application? Nope. :) Some macro virus's =can= theoretically do that, which is why macs sometimes can be seen as viral incubators. One of the funniest things I ever saw was happened at a company I worked for around 3 years ago. One day I was at a meeting, and came back to the head of operations (boss of the network admins) berating one of my designers until I thought she would cry. It turned out someone had sent her the I love you virus, she didn't know what it was and forwarded it on to three network admins, and all hell broke loose from there. Her mac wasn't affected by it, but by forwarding the message she essentially sent all three of them the virus which hit the exchange server... About a day before it caused havoc around the world. I just said I'd deal with it, took her into a conference room and sat down and laughed for at least 20 minutes, then told her about how I once accidently deleted an entire virtual host directory instead of one file via a mistyped / while connected through telnet. Stuff just happens. Unfortunately microsoft just makes it much easier for stuff to just happen. I know some of my above answers were short, so I'll try to clarify with a little history so it makes some more sense: Basically, awhile back microsoft decided it would be very cool to build in all of this neat functionality into its products and exchange servers. If you've ever used the PC outlook, you've seen this- you can send someone a message requesting a meeting, they can say yes I can be there at this and this time when they reply. Your server/machine gets the message, updates your meeting database and you're good to go. Over a bunch of objections, microsoft chose convenience over security. Most of their products have a scripting language built in (similar to applescript) which allows the applications to be controlled via the built in hooks. These are essentially what are exploited- because people keep finding new holes in their implimentation. Back in the day, MS had a standard policy- all of their products had to be built on the same code base in order to help eliminate wasted reimplentation costs. So the same hooks were built into the mac products starting with version 6.0 (through emulation). Therefore, macs were theoretically able to be affected by word macro viruses. Outlook express and outlook 2001 never had functionality that could be exploited- you'd think outlook could be, but it was never feature compatible- the exchange server only served it RTF files and stripped out the rest. So you're essentially left with word files that can have macros embedded within them, that =can= affect your mac. They theoretically can even propogate them throughout all your word files by adding itself to a special file MS uses to create new word docs starting with MS 6.0, 97 and 98. Here's the thing though- even though theoretically a word virus can propogate on the mac, and even run- 99.9% of the time it expects to be running on windows, so the code it tries to run (ie, delete c:) is meaningless to the mac and nothing happens. Long, but hopefully it puts your mind at ease a little. Michael Bryan Bell -- ICQ: 16106263Yahoo: mhbell1 No Link for you! AIM: drunkenbatman -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To
OS X mail quota
Hi folks. I got a mail message yesterday and today telling me that my mail quota was nearly full in the OS X Mail application. Granted, I do have 180 odd mail messages in my inbox, but had that many before and never received such a message. The message came to my inbox without a sender. I tried to cut and paste the message and send it in a message to this list, but the message was not deliverable and the message was returned by the Mail Daemon. It contained a mime attachment and Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.maclaunch.com Is this perchance virus related? Mail in OS X has always been a little buggy for me with error messages about my deleted mailbox being locked and fetch errors and so forth. This mysterious message never appeared before and now I'm a little concerned that this isn't my Mail app telling me to clean house but a virus. Thanks for any input. Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
on 03/07/02 21:36, Donald Keenan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. I got a mail message yesterday and today telling me that my mail quota was nearly full in the OS X Mail application. Granted, I do have 180 odd mail messages in my inbox, but had that many before and never received such a message. The message came to my inbox without a sender. I tried to cut and paste the message and send it in a message to this list, but the message was not deliverable and the message was returned by the Mail Daemon. It contained a mime attachment and Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.maclaunch.com Is this perchance virus related? Mail in OS X has always been a little buggy for me with error messages about my deleted mailbox being locked and fetch errors and so forth. This mysterious message never appeared before and now I'm a little concerned that this isn't my Mail app telling me to clean house but a virus. Thanks for any input. Donald I'd be surprised if there was a quota in Mail. What I think is happening is that your mail account is reaching is quota, specially if you have more than 180 messages. What kind of email account are you using Mail with? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelinhttp://members.cox.net/nemesys Logiciels Nemesys Softwaremailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fiber-seeking backhoe: [common among backbone ISP personnel] Any of a genus of large, disruptive machines which routinely cut critical backbone links, creating Internet outages and packet over air problems. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 08:48 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 03/07/02 21:36, Donald Keenan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. I got a mail message yesterday and today telling me that my mail quota was nearly full in the OS X Mail application. Granted, I do have 180 odd mail messages in my inbox, but had that many before and never received such a message. The message came to my inbox without a sender. I tried to cut and paste the message and send it in a message to this list, but the message was not deliverable and the message was returned by the Mail Daemon. It contained a mime attachment and Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.maclaunch.com Is this perchance virus related? Mail in OS X has always been a little buggy for me with error messages about my deleted mailbox being locked and fetch errors and so forth. This mysterious message never appeared before and now I'm a little concerned that this isn't my Mail app telling me to clean house but a virus. Thanks for any input. Donald I'd be surprised if there was a quota in Mail. What I think is happening is that your mail account is reaching is quota, specially if you have more than 180 messages. What kind of email account are you using Mail with? Exactly... this is a server message, not being generated by Mail. You need to delete the messages on the server @ nycap.rr.com. How to do this depends upon whether you're using IMAP or POP3 to check your mail. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Laurent: I have a road runner pop account. Shouldn't I be able to keep tons of mail messages in my inbox or mailbox folders? If road runner were sending me a warning message, wouldn't the message come with a return address? I'm confused. Donald I'd be surprised if there was a quota in Mail. What I think is happening is that your mail account is reaching is quota, specially if you have more than 180 messages. What kind of email account are you using Mail with? -Laurent. -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Jeremy: Are the messages sitting in my inbox considered to be on the server? Do I have to simply put them in Mail mailboxes/folders to remove them from the server? Donald On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 09:54 PM, Jeremy Derr wrote: Exactly... this is a server message, not being generated by Mail. You need to delete the messages on the server @ nycap.rr.com. How to do this depends upon whether you're using IMAP or POP3 to check your mail. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 09:02 PM, Donald Keenan wrote: Jeremy: Are the messages sitting in my inbox considered to be on the server? Do I have to simply put them in Mail mailboxes/folders to remove them from the server? Donald They may be. it depends on how you have Mail set up. If you're using IMAP, the answer is yes. Create local folders under Personal Mailboxes and transfer the messages into them. If you're using POP3, the answer is more vague. Check to make sure that the checkbox that says Delete messages on the server after downloading is checked in Mail's Preferences (this can be found by editing your account and going to the Account Options. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
Jeremy: I just checked the option to delete messages on the server after downloading. I got a pop alert telling me all read messages will be permanently deleted. When I think about it, I unplugged my laptop from the cable modem and hooked up my iMac and every message I had ever received with my pop account loaded into the imac's Outlook account. They all were sitting out there on the server. Maybe this is resolved? Thanks Jeremy and Laurent for your responses. I still find it odd that the quota message came into my inbox without an address displayed. Donald Jeremy: Are the messages sitting in my inbox considered to be on the server? Do I have to simply put them in Mail mailboxes/folders to remove them from the server? Donald They may be. it depends on how you have Mail set up. If you're using IMAP, the answer is yes. Create local folders under Personal Mailboxes and transfer the messages into them. If you're using POP3, the answer is more vague. Check to make sure that the checkbox that says Delete messages on the server after downloading is checked in Mail's Preferences (this can be found by editing your account and going to the Account Options. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OS X mail quota
On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 09:21 PM, Donald Keenan wrote: I still find it odd that the quota message came into my inbox without an address displayed. That's just the way it is sometimes. The 'sender' of admin emails is fully configurable by the admin. For some unknown reason, some ISPs tend to set this to NULL (that is, blank). If you complain about the confusion, sometimes they'll fix it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
