Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
So to answer the OP's question, the printer is natively supported
over an ethernet network, it just has to be via IP rather than
AppleTalk. It doesn't need any third party software. All the ports
can be active at the same time.
Sorry to disagree here but my LaserWriter 16/600 PS works just fine with
AppleTalk over Ethernet. I've never assigned it any IP address.
Appletalk don't need no steenking IP addresses... It's MAC {media
access control} number based.
Apple was emulating Appletalk's no config needed with
until-recently-called Rendezvous
AFP runs/ran over:
Localtalk
Appletalk over Ethernet
TCP/IP over Ethernet
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Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
A solution for Mac OS 7 and 8 is Shareway IP. http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/ Wonder if it is more stable than the Apple solution?? Apple's solution IS Sharway IP, so probably not. The whole thing is really stoopid. All Apple would need to do for a workaround would be provide a tickler that would send some minor traffic every 45 seconds to keep the connections from crashing. That way, they'd not even need to fix their branedead OSX code... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
On Jun 18, 2005, at 7:00 AM, David Lesher wrote: A solution for Mac OS 7 and 8 is Shareway IP. http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/ Wonder if it is more stable than the Apple solution?? Apple's solution IS Sharway IP, so probably not. The whole thing is really stoopid. All Apple would need to do for a workaround would be provide a tickler that would send some minor traffic every 45 seconds to keep the connections from crashing. That way, they'd not even need to fix their branedead OSX code... Given that one of the longest standing Anti-Mac myths I've had to fight with is Appletalk is an interminably chatty protocol, clogging up the network. That's why we can't allow them on the network. I don't think that it's 'stoopid' at all. I'd much rather Apple's software engineers look to moving forward, than dragging that long OS 8 and lower tail behind. We've come a long way...our network now has a healthy percentage of Macs, where once upon a time I was threatened with being disciplined for recommending someone consider a Mac. -- Bruce Johnson no matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
On Jun 18, 2005, at 12:30 PM, G-Books wrote: Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:00:55 -0400 From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues on 17/06/05 22:51, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 17, 2005, at 4:25 PM, G-Books wrote: First are my printers. Both are Apple printers: LaserWriter 16/600 [snip] The LaserWriter has just recently become a problem and only because Tiger dose not support AppleTalk. Dose anyone make third party software to support this printer over an ethernet network? Or can I hook this computer into a print server and go around the Appletalk issue? The 16/600 supports IP printing, that's how I have mine set up via ethernet. You can manually set a IP address using the LaserWriter Utility from OS9 or Classic, then just set it up in Print Center. Mine is configure for AppleTalk over Ethernet. I think the part that is now missing is file sharing over AppleTalk. Tiger supports only AppleTalk over TCP/IP for file sharing. -Laurent. If file sharing is an issue, I just wrote up some instructions a couple of days ago for the Powerbooks listYou can connect via IP from System 7 and 8 up to Tiger, but you can't connect down from Tiger to System 7 or 8 via AFP/AppleTalk. So to answer the OP's question, the printer is natively supported over an ethernet network, it just has to be via IP rather than AppleTalk. It doesn't need any third party software. All the ports can be active at the same time. --- JSH TiBook Criticism comes easier than craftsmanship. (Zeuxis) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
on 18/06/05 20:16, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If file sharing is an issue, I just wrote up some instructions a couple of days ago for the Powerbooks listYou can connect via IP from System 7 and 8 up to Tiger, but you can't connect down from Tiger to System 7 or 8 via AFP/AppleTalk. So to answer the OP's question, the printer is natively supported over an ethernet network, it just has to be via IP rather than AppleTalk. It doesn't need any third party software. All the ports can be active at the same time. Sorry to disagree here but my LaserWriter 16/600 PS works just fine with AppleTalk over Ethernet. I've never assigned it any IP address. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Blue Screen of Death n.: [common] This term is closely related to the older Black Screen of Death but much more common (many non-hackers have picked it up). Due to the extreme fragility and bugginess of Microsoft Windows, misbehaving applications can readily crash the OS (and the OS sometimes crashes itself spontaneously). The Blue Screen of Death, sometimes decorated with hex error codes, is what you get when this happens. (Commonly abbreviated BSOD.) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
On 17/06/05 17:48, pegleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First are my printers. Both are Apple printers: LaserWriter 16/600 PS and Color StyleWriter 1500. The StyleWriter was never supported by OSX even though I have it hooked to my ethernet network with another Apple product (Apple StyleWriter Ethernet Adapter) which works great in OS9.x and earlier. Is there any way to keep this as a viable printer on my network? The LaserWriter has just recently become a problem and only because Tiger dose not support AppleTalk. Dose anyone make third party software to support this printer over an ethernet network? Or can I hook this computer into a print server and go around the Appletalk issue? Ugh? I have the exact same LaserWriter, the 16/600 PS and I can still print to it while in Tiger. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
Have you tried this. From Macintouch Tiger refuses to work with some older Macs sharing files, saying This file server uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol. You cannot connect to it. You can check Enable File Sharing clients to connect over TCP/IP in the File Sharing control panel of Mac OS 9. See KB 106461. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106461#sec4 A solution for Mac OS 7 and 8 is Shareway IP. http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/ -- Aaron Willems IT Administrator Lieberman Productions -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
I have an option to turn on Appletalk and I'm using 10.4. What are you talking about? In system preferences click on network and then on the adapter and you'll see an Appletalk tab. Tim On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 05:46PM, pegleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sending this out to several lists because it is an issue that effects many Mac users and business owners when they upgrade to Tiger. Now that Appletalk has been removed from OSX Tiger, I am looking for solutions for my older equipment. I would love to here any and all suggestions. I imagine many others will be facing this problem as well when they upgrade to Tiger. First are my printers. Both are Apple printers: LaserWriter 16/600 PS and Color StyleWriter 1500. The StyleWriter was never supported by OSX even though I have it hooked to my ethernet network with another Apple product (Apple StyleWriter Ethernet Adapter) which works great in OS9.x and earlier. Is there any way to keep this as a viable printer on my network? The LaserWriter has just recently become a problem and only because Tiger dose not support AppleTalk. Dose anyone make third party software to support this printer over an ethernet network? Or can I hook this computer into a print server and go around the Appletalk issue? Lastly I have several Macs that do not support Appletalk IP. One the Quadra 630(ATA), I have been using as a file server (small Mac that uses little power when left on 24/7.) I would really like to see these in Tiger. Is there software that will help: Timbuktu, VNC or another that will allow me to see the hard drive and transfer files? Any suggestions may be helpful? Opinion and gripe coming. Ok, why did Apple decide to leave AppleTalk out of Tiger? I know it is an old and wordy protocol but it has been the networking standard on Macs for 20 years. This legacy solves many a problem for small business and home owners. I can understand that Apple wouldn't want to support third party legacy products but these are all Apple brand and Apple created equipment and protocols. Leaving Appletalk out is a slap in the face to long time Apple users who have supported them with purchases over the years. Personally, I think Apple should keep straight AppleTalk as an option as a show of support for their long time supporters and businesses. At the very least Apple should release Appletalk into the public domain so someone can write an open source implementation for those who need it. Bob Titus -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
Have you tried this. From Macintouch
Tiger refuses to work with some older Macs sharing files, saying This file
server uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol. You cannot connect
to it. You can check Enable File Sharing clients to connect over TCP/IP
in the File Sharing control panel of Mac OS 9. See KB 106461.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106461#sec4
This is a half-truth AFP worked at first over Appletalk, then
later over TCP/IP.
{Actually... I think it first worked over Localtalk...}
The above turns on TCP/IP on OS9, period. No help on pre-9 boxes.
BUT...
I have a truckload of ADN bug reports on file over the resulting
instability issue. If you have an OS9 box serving over TCP/IP and X.2
or .3 {and maybe X.4, who knows...} desktops. the sharing session
terminates every 90 seconds or so if idle.
Apple denied it was happening, then admitted it then was an issue,
THEN promised Just Buy Jaguar and then when they was no help;
Duplicate Report {i.e. others have already bitched and we're
ignoring them too...}
A solution for Mac OS 7 and 8 is Shareway IP.
http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/
Wonder if it is more stable than the Apple solution??
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Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
On Jun 17, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Tim Collier wrote: I have an option to turn on Appletalk and I'm using 10.4. What are you talking about? In system preferences click on network and then on the adapter and you'll see an Appletalk tab. Tim On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 05:46PM, pegleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sending this out to several lists because it is an issue that effects many Mac users and business owners when they upgrade to Tiger. Now that Appletalk has been removed from OSX Tiger, I am looking for solutions for my older equipment. I would love to here any and all suggestions. I imagine many others will be facing this problem as well when they upgrade to Tiger. I believe he may also have to turn on AppleTalk in Directory Services. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
On Jun 17, 2005, at 4:25 PM, G-Books wrote: First are my printers. Both are Apple printers: LaserWriter 16/600 PS and Color StyleWriter 1500. The StyleWriter was never supported by OSX even though I have it hooked to my ethernet network with another Apple product (Apple StyleWriter Ethernet Adapter) which works great in OS9.x and earlier. Is there any way to keep this as a viable printer on my network? The LaserWriter has just recently become a problem and only because Tiger dose not support AppleTalk. Dose anyone make third party software to support this printer over an ethernet network? Or can I hook this computer into a print server and go around the Appletalk issue? The 16/600 supports IP printing, that's how I have mine set up via ethernet. You can manually set a IP address using the LaserWriter Utility from OS9 or Classic, then just set it up in Print Center. As for your older computers, they can connect up to Tiger via IP. You just can't connect from Tiger down. --- JSH TiBook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
on 17/06/05 22:51, Jeff Hubatka at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 17, 2005, at 4:25 PM, G-Books wrote: First are my printers. Both are Apple printers: LaserWriter 16/600 PS and Color StyleWriter 1500. The StyleWriter was never supported by OSX even though I have it hooked to my ethernet network with another Apple product (Apple StyleWriter Ethernet Adapter) which works great in OS9.x and earlier. Is there any way to keep this as a viable printer on my network? The LaserWriter has just recently become a problem and only because Tiger dose not support AppleTalk. Dose anyone make third party software to support this printer over an ethernet network? Or can I hook this computer into a print server and go around the Appletalk issue? The 16/600 supports IP printing, that's how I have mine set up via ethernet. You can manually set a IP address using the LaserWriter Utility from OS9 or Classic, then just set it up in Print Center. Mine is configure for AppleTalk over Ethernet. I think the part that is now missing is file sharing over AppleTalk. Tiger supports only AppleTalk over TCP/IP for file sharing. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] flowchart n.: [techspeak] An archaic form of visual control-flow specification employing arrows and 'speech balloons' of various shapes. Hackers never use flowcharts, consider them extremely silly, and associate them with COBOL programmers, card wallopers, and other lower forms of life. This attitude follows from the observations that flowcharts (at least from a hacker's point of view) are no easier to read than code, are less precise, and tend to fall out of sync with the code (so that they either obfuscate it rather than explaining it, or require extra maintenance effort that doesn't improve the code). See also PDL, sense 1. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Tiger without Appletalk issues
On Jun 17, 2005, at 3:49 PM, David Lesher wrote: A solution for Mac OS 7 and 8 is Shareway IP. http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/ Wonder if it is more stable than the Apple solution?? Apple's solution IS Sharway IP, so probably not. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig that says 'NI!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
