Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
I make it a point to not install OS 9 drivers. The few apps I use are the 4D 6.8 compiler and Loop app Infinity, which can run under Classic. Besides those there is nothing I need in OS 9 and I don't want to waste my time there. I even turn down support for OS 9 problems as I can't be bothered and OS X put new demands all the time upon me. But I kinda regret it because the errors was typically both more common and easier to fix than OS X problems. For some reason more people were prepared to pay for fixing them as well. That might have been the stronger economy back then, however. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
I just upgraded my Pismo (G3 400mhz) with a Hitatchi 60 gig 7200 rpm disk from OWC. Here is a link: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/2.5-Notebook/ I'm very pleased with the drive: faster, quieter than the original. The staff at OWC were very helpful. One thing I learned the hard way: I partitioned the drive and formatted with the Disk Utility from OS X.3, but then found I was unable to mount the partitions in OS 9. I was able to boot into OS 9 with a firewire drive (my old internal drive in an external firewire enclosure, also from OWC) and format the partitions in OS 9 and update the drivers. This was after I installed OS X on one partition and restored my OS 9 data to the other, so the install/restore time was wasted by the reformat. I then found I couldn't boot from the restored OS 9 partition; I finally did a fresh install starting with OS 9.0.4 and updating through 9.2.2, then restored my OS 9 data using the OS X Disk Utility and leaving erase destination unchecked. Now everything works wonderfully. If you are planning a dual-boot, multiple-partition disk, I hope my experience helps. If anyone has a better procedure than my trial-and-error debacle, please share it with us. On Jan 5, 2005, at 6:46 AM, goodidea wrote: I still like to ask if someone knows for sure which hard disk I can install, 40GB 5400rpm in a clamshell g3 466mz? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
Unfortunately that option was not available in my instance. Perhaps because I was using a DVD OS X install disk? On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: That's probably because when you formatted the drive with Disk Utility from 10.3, you didn't check the option to have the OS 9 driver installed... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
Sorry to see this tale. But it has been told before in these lists. I had good results in the Disk Utility/Partition panel by checking the little box at: Install Mac OS 9 Disk Drivers If this option is not selected, this device cannot be used by a computer running Mac OS 9. This option does not affect Classic. I have two internal drives and reformatted both for OS X 10.3. For my old OS 9.2.2 System Folder, apps, and data, I copied from one drive to the newly formatted one (one partition) and then for backup purposes shuffled it all back to the original drive, now formatted with three partitions. All went well. David Bjur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I learned the hard way: I partitioned the drive and formatted with the Disk Utility from OS X.3, but then found I was unable to mount the partitions in OS 9. I was able to boot into OS 9 with a firewire drive (my old internal drive in an external firewire enclosure, also from OWC) and format the partitions in OS 9 and update the drivers. This was after I installed OS X on one partition and restored my OS 9 data to the other, so the install/restore time was wasted by the reformat. I then found I couldn't boot from the restored OS 9 partition; I finally did a fresh install starting with OS 9.0.4 and updating through 9.2.2, then restored my OS 9 data using the OS X Disk Utility and leaving erase destination unchecked. Now everything works wonderfully. If you are planning a dual-boot, multiple-partition disk, I hope my experience helps. If anyone has a better procedure than my trial-and-error debacle, please share it with us. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
At 2:40 PM -0800 1/5/05, David Bjur wrote: Unfortunately that option was not available in my instance. Perhaps because I was using a DVD OS X install disk? On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: That's probably because when you formatted the drive with Disk Utility from 10.3, you didn't check the option to have the OS 9 driver installed... A DVD install disk by itself wouldn't preclude install OS 9 drivers but if the installer disk is for a recent model of Mac that doesn't support booting into 9 it probably wouldn't have the feature. -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
on 05/01/05 20:20, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:40 PM -0800 1/5/05, David Bjur wrote: Unfortunately that option was not available in my instance. Perhaps because I was using a DVD OS X install disk? On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: That's probably because when you formatted the drive with Disk Utility from 10.3, you didn't check the option to have the OS 9 driver installed... A DVD install disk by itself wouldn't preclude install OS 9 drivers but if the installer disk is for a recent model of Mac that doesn't support booting into 9 it probably wouldn't have the feature. Good catch, Clark! I bet that David was using an OS X installation DVD that was specific for a recent Mac, not the retail CD. That would explain why the option wouldn't be there, although if you think about it, I don't see why they would remove the option from Disk Utility. Even though a given disk you're formatting with Disk Utility might be connected or used in a Macintosh that cannot boot in OS 9, you might want later to use that disk with an older Macintosh... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] brute force adj.: Describes a primitive programming style, one in which the programmer relies on the computer's processing power instead of using his or her own intelligence to simplify the problem, often ignoring problems of scale and applying naive methods suited to small problems directly to large ones. The term can also be used in reference to programming style: brute-force programs are written in a heavyhanded, tedious way, full of repetition and devoid of any elegance or useful abstraction (see also brute force and ignorance). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Upgrading Hard Disk + OS 9 and OS X partition anecdote
On Jan 5, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 05/01/05 20:20, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:40 PM -0800 1/5/05, David Bjur wrote: Unfortunately that option was not available in my instance. Perhaps because I was using a DVD OS X install disk? On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: That's probably because when you formatted the drive with Disk Utility from 10.3, you didn't check the option to have the OS 9 driver installed... A DVD install disk by itself wouldn't preclude install OS 9 drivers but if the installer disk is for a recent model of Mac that doesn't support booting into 9 it probably wouldn't have the feature. Good catch, Clark! I bet that David was using an OS X installation DVD that was specific for a recent Mac, not the retail CD. That would explain why the option wouldn't be there, although if you think about it, I don't see why they would remove the option from Disk Utility. Even though a given disk you're formatting with Disk Utility might be connected or used in a Macintosh that cannot boot in OS 9, you might want later to use that disk with an older Macintosh... -Laurent. Indeed, the DVD I purchased was evidently intended for a 15 PowerBook; the sticker on the envelope reads: 603-4791-A PowerBook 15 Print. Thanks for the detective work! Dave -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
