Re: [Megillot] Jonah in the DSS

2005-02-21 Thread Giuseppe Regalzi
Dierk van den Berg wrote:
One might add that MurXII and 8HevXIIgr have nothing to do with the DSS.
Scrolls from both Wadi Murabba`at and Nahal Hever are included in the _The
Dead Sea Scrolls on Microfiche_, in _The Dead Sea Scroll's Catalogue_ by
Reed, and so on.
Perhaps Jeffrey B. Gibson meant DSS in the narrower (equally legitimate)
sense of Qumran Scrolls, but even in this case there was nothing wrong,
IMHO, in giving two more references that someone else, maybe, could find of
interest.
Giuseppe
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Re: [Megillot] Jonah in the DSS

2005-02-21 Thread Dierk van den Berg
Guiseppe,
I've just clarified that both quotations do NOT belong to the DSS corpus.
And it is indeed misleading to intrude cross-refs of  material from abroad,
so that a starter might believe that Jonah quotations are present even if
there are none.
DSS - Dead Sea Scrolls (material exclusively of cave 1-11 from Kh. Qumran)
_Dierk
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Dierk van den Berg wrote:
One might add that MurXII and 8HevXIIgr have nothing to do with the DSS.
Scrolls from both Wadi Murabba`at and Nahal Hever are included in the _The
Dead Sea Scrolls on Microfiche_, in _The Dead Sea Scroll's Catalogue_ by
Reed, and so on.
Perhaps Jeffrey B. Gibson meant DSS in the narrower (equally legitimate)
sense of Qumran Scrolls, but even in this case there was nothing wrong,
IMHO, in giving two more references that someone else, maybe, could find 
of
interest.

Giuseppe
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Re: [Megillot] Jonah in the DSS

2005-02-21 Thread Dave Washburn
Dierk,
There are several problems with your comments below, as well as one from your 
previous post.  

For starters, in your previous post you said The book of Jonah is not used by 
the yahad.  But the whole Yahad question is still one of the hot buttons 
in DSS research, and as tenuous as the purported connections between the 
scrolls and Qumran are, it's not a good idea to just breeze by them like 
this.  For myself, I don't buy the idea that there was some separatist 
yahad that produced the so-called sectarian scrolls, but that's a matter 
for another thread.  Suffice to say that the comment about Jonah and the 
Yahad is a bit of an overstatement.

In general parlance, Dead Sea Scrolls refers to any of the scrolls found at 
sites on or near the Dead Sea.  This includes Murraba`at, Nahal Hever, Masada 
and several others.  It is even more misleading to refer to these scrolls as 
material from abroad, since all the sites are within reasonable proximity 
to each other.  This is why I didn't include the CD documents in my book; 
regardless of what may have been found that's similar, Cairo isn't on the 
Dead Sea so its material really is from abroad.  But these other sites are 
on the Dead Sea, and so it is common and acceptable to refer to them as part 
of the Dead Sea Scrolls corpus.   If you are using the term in a more narrow 
sense, you need to make that clear; you can't just arbitrarily say this is 
how we're going to use the term because others' usage may vary and their 
usage is at least as legitimate as yours.

To answer the original question regarding Jonah's preservation, see my book.  
There are no surviving peshers, but given that we are dealing with the 
accident of preservation, that doesn't necessarily mean there were none.  
Except for a couple of very small scraps, the only attestation for Job is in 
a Targum.  Does that mean that whoever produced and hid the scrolls only (or 
primiarily) used Job in Aramaic?  We can't say, because all we have is what 
happened to survive the desert.

To sum up, this statement
 DSS - Dead Sea Scrolls (material exclusively of cave 1-11 from Kh. Qumran)
may be true in your parlance, but it certainly is not accurate or 
representative of general usage in the field.

On Monday 21 February 2005 07:30, Dierk van den Berg wrote:
 Guiseppe,

 I've just clarified that both quotations do NOT belong to the DSS corpus.
 And it is indeed misleading to intrude cross-refs of  material from abroad,
 so that a starter might believe that Jonah quotations are present even if
 there are none.
 DSS - Dead Sea Scrolls (material exclusively of cave 1-11 from Kh. Qumran)


 _Dierk


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  Dierk van den Berg wrote:
  One might add that MurXII and 8HevXIIgr have nothing to do with the DSS.
 
  Scrolls from both Wadi Murabba`at and Nahal Hever are included in the
  _The Dead Sea Scrolls on Microfiche_, in _The Dead Sea Scroll's
  Catalogue_ by Reed, and so on.
 
  Perhaps Jeffrey B. Gibson meant DSS in the narrower (equally
  legitimate) sense of Qumran Scrolls, but even in this case there was
  nothing wrong, IMHO, in giving two more references that someone else,
  maybe, could find of
  interest.
 
  Giuseppe
 
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