Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Ted Treen]

Gus wrote:
>   
>> To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in  
>> an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the  
>> onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon  
>> card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics  
>> operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large  
>> iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled.
>> 
>
>
> where can you buy a video card for an old beige G3?
>
>   
Swaplist or ebay: I had a Radeon 7000 (flashed PC PCI card) in my beige 
running Panther for a couple of years & it handled DVD player and 
everything else I threw at it. No problems.

Ted

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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[PeterH]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Mullin9 wrote:

>> The best Firewire cards use the Texas Instruments chipset. Others may
>> also work, I'm not aware of any that are unbootable. On the other  
>> end,
>> the enclosure end, Oxford chipsets are by far the best, and some need
>> to be avoided, specifically the GeneSys Logic GL711/811 and the early
>> Prolific Logic PL3507. These are flakey and can't boot. Most of the
>> enclosures sold by HD manufacturers are bootable and OK.

The Oxford 911 is flawed.

Some support certain specific large drives but not other large drives.

Support for large drives was obtained by a flawed hack to the  
firmware of an otherwise unmodified Oxford 911 chip set.

The later 911+ is fully compatible with large drives in every  
respect, without the need for hacks.

Oxford also offers later chips, too.

By now, nearly every FW case in new production should be capable of  
large drive support without restriction, although some documents may  
state 500 GB as a limit. In this specific instance, that apparent  
limitation is because the case was tested with 500 GB drives, by not  
with larger drives which have since come into the market.

As the method for properly supporting drives larger than 131,072 MB  
is the same regardless of the capacity (160, 200, 250, 300, 320, 400,  
500, 640, 1000 and 1500 GB) a limitation expressed as, say, 500 GB,  
is not significant, and drives larger than 500 GB will work, too.

The large drives all know about the LBA48 property (splitting the  
request across two command data buffers), and the updated and new FW  
chips do to.

The TI chip sets which are included in many desktop and laptop  
motherboards appear to be very well-behaved, and most of these are  
directly supported by MacOS X.



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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Mullin9]

Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Mullin9 wrote:
>
> > I have a Beige Powermac G3,
> > Is there a way to add the FireWire 400 card in the PCI slot,
> > and boot off an external Hard drive.
>
> Yes. You can add any FW400 card and boot OS X from external FW drives
> using XPostFacto 4.0.
>
> The best Firewire cards use the Texas Instruments chipset. Others may
> also work, I'm not aware of any that are unbootable. On the other end,
> the enclosure end, Oxford chipsets are by far the best, and some need
> to be avoided, specifically the GeneSys Logic GL711/811 and the early
> Prolific Logic PL3507. These are flakey and can't boot. Most of the
> enclosures sold by HD manufacturers are bootable and OK.
>
> To boot you'll need to install OS X onto the HD and then use
> XPostFacto to enable FW booting by using the "Helper Disk" option.
> This is done by starting the boot process on an internal HD (called
> the 'helper') and then transferring the boot over to the external HD
> after the Firewire port has initialized. This is done by synchronizing
> the boot software on both drives, the boot software on the helper is
> stored in special invisible files, so you can have another System on
> the drive or partition without messing it up. You should be able to
> boot any version of OS X, but Panther and Tiger run better than
> Jaguar. To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in
> an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the
> onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon
> card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics
> operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large
> iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled.
>
> You won't have any 1st 8 GB limit on external FW HDs, you can boot a
> 500 GB or 1 TB if you want. The 1st 8 GB partition IS important still,
> the "helper" MUST be within that 1st 8 GB. If you have an internal HD
> larger than 128 GB (the max recognized by a Beige), you can enable the
> entire drive to be recognized and be useable in two ways. The easiest
> is to format the HD with Intech HD Speedtools 3.5 for OS 9 which makes
> the whole HD useable in OS 9.x. Then you can use the Intech Hi-
> Capacity Extension for OS X to enable OS X to see the whole HD. There
> is one problem with this, which is IF you ever boot a CD/DVD or other
> HD System that LACKS the Intech Hi-Cap. extension you can destroy the
> data on the whole HD. The solution is to partition the HD at EXACTLY
> the 128 GB point (131,072 MB) so that if you boot a "normal" system it
> will only have access to that "perfect" 1st 128 GB partition and the
> rest will remain untouched and invisible.
>
> The 2nd way to enable larger HD is by a tweak to the Open Firmware
> that enables larger HDs to be recognized. This is free, but again, for
> safety you'd need to partition at the exact 128 GB point just in case
> the Open Firmware tweak was erased and set to the default state again.
> You can search the G3-5 List archives for "LBA48" and read about this,
> or see this page:
>   >
>
> I like booting from Firewire, it's much simpler than messing around
> with this internal large HD support. You could even use a small OEM HD
> inside the Beige with OS 9 installed, and have OS X only on the large
> external FW HD. Should work perfect. If you need help, I can help off-
> list.
>
> > Did any Beige G3, ever came with a Firewire 400 built in.
>
> No.

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Re: dvd player on B&W Mac

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:26 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> Any updated versions out there? Any hints?

They quit making the patches for Apple DVD Player somewhere about  
10.4.3's version. If your Apple DVD Player doesn't work, forget about  
it and use VLC instead.

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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Jeff Bequette]

ebay- radeon 7000 mac edition

Jeff Bequette
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On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Gus wrote:

>
>
>> To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in
>> an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the
>> onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon
>> card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics
>> operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large
>> iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled.
>
>
> where can you buy a video card for an old beige G3?
> >


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Re: dvd player on B&W Mac

[insightinmind]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:06 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>
>>> 2) a Radeon 7000 video card (with its integral DVD decoder)  
>>> either in
>>> a standard 33 MHz PCI slot or the double-clocked video-only 66 Mhz
>>> PCI slot AND a patched version of DVD Player 4.7.
>>
>> Huh... I have a Radeon 7000 in one B&W G3 and it plays DVDs without
>> any
>> patch to the DVD player.  It's running 10.4.11.
>
> I just switched to 10.4.11 with a ATI Radeon 7000ME ... what patch
> are you talking about?
>
> I think I need it on another Mac I'm running.

Searching versiontracker, I found a link to one patch at:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26590
but this refers me to:
http://danpritchard.com/public/?path=software/dvdpatch/

Its helps Macs that don't have in Internal DVD player. Doesn't seem  
to work for my DVD Player 4.6.5 under my 10.4.11 OS X.

Any updated versions out there? Any hints?

(Hope I didn't hijack your thread ...)

Bill


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Re: dvd player on B&W Mac

[insightinmind]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

>> 2) a Radeon 7000 video card (with its integral DVD decoder) either in
>> a standard 33 MHz PCI slot or the double-clocked video-only 66 Mhz
>> PCI slot AND a patched version of DVD Player 4.7.
>
> Huh... I have a Radeon 7000 in one B&W G3 and it plays DVDs without  
> any
> patch to the DVD player.  It's running 10.4.11.

I just switched to 10.4.11 with a ATI Radeon 7000ME ... what patch  
are you talking about?

I think I need it on another Mac I'm running.

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Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears

[Steve R]

ROTTEN SMELL RAISES APPLE TOXIN FEARS

Toxic ... Apple's Mac Pro.

Asher Moses
October 2, 2008

Apple is investigating damning claims, published in a leading French 
newspaper, that its computers emit a toxic odor containing chemicals 
including the cancer-causing benzene.

Liberation cited an anonymous researcher from the French National 
Centre for Scientific Research, who had his Mac Pro desktop tested 
for the toxins after he detected a strong odour emanating from the 
machine.

Apple has not denied the accusations. Its spokesman, Bill Evans, told 
Macworld the company had not found any evidence to support the claim 
but Apple would continue to investigate.

Posts on Apple's own discussion boards suggest the Mac maker knew 
about potentially toxic odors being linked to its computers as early 
as December last year.

While benzene was not mentioned in the posts, many users complained 
of experiencing headaches, nausea and dizziness. The smell has been 
variously described as "new car smell", "musty", "rotting carpet" and 
even cannabis.  "My entire room smells bad and I have had to resort 
to a few air fresheners just to be able to work on it," one report 
read. 

Another user on Apple's discussion board linked the toxic odor to the 
death of their bird: "I recently have had a bird die 'mysteriously' 
which was caged near my MacPro which has had the terrible smell for 
months. The vet said it was likely he inhaled something toxic!!!"

In Liberation's article, written in French, the researcher said his 
eyes, nose and throat became irritated after 10 days of using the 
computer.

"The computer emitted fumes which, after a week of use, caused a 
pronounced irritation of the cornea and respiratory passages," he 
said.

Apple changed the researcher's power supply before replacing the 
entire computer but the strange smell remained.

He then contacted Greenpeace, which sent the computer to the 
Analytica lab for analysis. Seven "volatile organic contaminants" 
were identified, including styrene, benzene and its derivatives.

Benzene, a known carcinogen, damages bone marrow and can cause a 
decrease in red blood cells, leading to leukemia and other blood 
cancers.

It can be found in tobacco smoke, plastics, styrene and products such 
as glues, paints and detergents. But the chemical's presence in 
consumer products such as computers has dropped sharply as its severe 
health consequences have come to light.

Although officially Apple says it has found no evidence of the 
toxins, its customer support staff have allegedly told some callers 
that the company was aware of the problem, which concerned Mac Pro 
computers built before this year.

Liberation, which has a daily circulation of about 130,000 copies, 
reported Apple France as saying its engineers were working on the 
problem.

Apple's public relations team is notorious for refusing to 
acknowledge reported faults in its products.

But some users on the company's discussion boards have come up with 
their own solution. Some reports say the smell - apparently caused by 
a protective resin coating on some of the circuit boards - disappears 
after an initial "burn-in" period.

Others have fixed the problem by removing small plastic strips from 
the side door of the computer case.
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Re: dvd player on B&W Mac

[Clark Martin]

PeterH wrote:
> 
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Scott Stephens wrote:
> 
>> I have a B&W 400 mz, I add a dvd rom I get userd (it workes) .
>> But fast I put in a dell dvd player I get out of my old Dell  
>> (gx240) it wold not wolk in my mac but it works in the Dell. It was  
>> in it. So what dvd (rom or rw) do work in this mac?
> 
> For a B&W Mac, you need either:
> 
> 1) the daughter-card DVD decoder board on the factory-stock 66 MHz  
> (double-clocked) video card AND the factory stock DVD Player  
> application, OR
> 
> 2) a Radeon 7000 video card (with its integral DVD decoder) either in  
> a standard 33 MHz PCI slot or the double-clocked video-only 66 Mhz  
> PCI slot AND a patched version of DVD Player 4.7.

Huh... I have a Radeon 7000 in one B&W G3 and it plays DVDs without any 
patch to the DVD player.  It's running 10.4.11.


-- 
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Re: Power Mac G4 power supplies

[insightinmind]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 5:24 PM, PeterH wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>> Which model Power Mac G4s can use which power supplies?

I was doing research on this topic a few days ago:

http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Power-Supply-c-253_247.html? 
gclid=CIrvnOGOgpYCFQNfFQodwCYEEA

is a link which gives some pictures along with other info.

Best,

Bill Connelly


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Re: dvd player on B&W Mac

[PeterH]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Scott Stephens wrote:

> I have a B&W 400 mz, I add a dvd rom I get userd (it workes) .
> But fast I put in a dell dvd player I get out of my old Dell  
> (gx240) it wold not wolk in my mac but it works in the Dell. It was  
> in it. So what dvd (rom or rw) do work in this mac?

For a B&W Mac, you need either:

1) the daughter-card DVD decoder board on the factory-stock 66 MHz  
(double-clocked) video card AND the factory stock DVD Player  
application, OR

2) a Radeon 7000 video card (with its integral DVD decoder) either in  
a standard 33 MHz PCI slot or the double-clocked video-only 66 Mhz  
PCI slot AND a patched version of DVD Player 4.7.



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dvd player on B&W Mac

[Scott Stephens]

I have a B&W 400 mz, I add a dvd rom I get userd (it workes) .   But fast I put 
in a dell dvd player I get out of my old Dell (gx240) it wold not wolk in my 
mac but it works in the Dell. It was in it. So what dvd (rom or rw) do work in 
this mac?
 
Scott
 


  
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Re: Power Mac G4 power supplies

[PeterH]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Dan wrote:

> Which model Power Mac G4s can use which power supplies?

Every basic model used a different PSU.

The Gigabit Ethernet and the Digital Audio used the same basic PSU,  
but for the DA, the monitor power receptacle was covered-over.

Otherwise, the two are identical, and you may "sub" a Gig-E PSU for a  
DA PSU and a DA PSU for a Gig-E PSU.

These are the ones with a single 22-pin Molex connector to the  
motherboard.

Earlier and later basic models used a different connector (20-pin),  
or connectors (20-pin plus 4-pin).



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Power Mac G4 power supplies

[Dan]

Help!  I seem to have confused myself.
(yea, ok, i know).

I'm trying to mix'n'match some parts from partial systems.  Had this 
stuff written down, but now I can't find it...

Which model Power Mac G4s can use which power supplies?

Thanks,
- Dan.
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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[PeterH]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Ted Treen wrote:

> Swaplist or ebay: I had a Radeon 7000 (flashed PC PCI card) in my  
> beige
> running Panther for a couple of years & it handled DVD player and
> everything else I threw at it. No problems.

FLASHed 7000s are great cards.

When seeking a FW or USB card, it must be OCHI compatible.

One of the best, for 9.X and 10.X compatibility was a generic card  
using a single ALi chip set.

This very same card is still being used to this very day, only on a  
P35/ICH9 Hackintosh running 10.5.5 ("Vanilla").

The two-chip ALi cards sometimes work, sometimes don't ... IMO.

The 7000s, whether FLASHed, or not, allow for software DVD  
playing ... requires a small update to DVD Player.

Incidentally, a 7000 is compatible with both the Beige's standard (33  
MHz) PCI slot, and the later B&W's non-standard (66 MHz) double- 
clocked video-only PCI slot.

FWIW, the FLASHed 7000s usually have SVGA only, which is certainly OK  
for most users.



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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Gus wrote:

>
>
>> To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in
>> an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the
>> onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon
>> card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics
>> operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large
>> iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled.
>
>
> where can you buy a video card for an old beige G3?

Look for a PCI ATI Radeon, they'll work. I used a Radeon 7200 in mine.

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Re: What is "Kicker.bundle" + my fix

[Charles Davis]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Charles Davis wrote:

> System = MDD dual 1.25, 2GB RAM, Telephone-Dialup.
>
> System FREEZE --
>
> Copied & trimmed sys.log
>
> Problem shows up AFTER a call to " /System/Library/
> SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/Resources/enable-network "
>
> Anybody have any information as to what the system thinks it supposed
> to be doing.
>
> As far as I know, there is NO 'Networking' set up for anything.
>
> No .Mac, No iTunes, etc.
>
>
> 
>
> TIA
> Chuck Davis
>
I located the 'questionable link' and moved it so it wouldn't be  
found and executed. So far, no detriment to operation.
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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Gus]

> To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in  
> an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the  
> onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon  
> card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics  
> operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large  
> iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled.


where can you buy a video card for an old beige G3?
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What is "Kicker.bundle"

[Charles Davis]

System = MDD dual 1.25, 2GB RAM, Telephone-Dialup.

System FREEZE --

Copied & trimmed sys.log

Problem shows up AFTER a call to " /System/Library/ 
SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/Resources/enable-network "

Anybody have any information as to what the system thinks it supposed  
to be doing.

As far as I know, there is NO 'Networking' set up for anything.

No .Mac, No iTunes, etc.


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Edited_system.log
Description: Binary data


TIA
Chuck Davis

Sonnet G4 upgrade on Sale

[Larry Stotler]

In case anyone is interested, I just saw this on the sonnet site:

G4/800 upgrade for G4 systems for $99:

http://store1.sonnettech.com/product_info.php?cPath=51_52&products_id=29&osCsid=799519ddd8f5f688469fb0186971831d
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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Charles Davis]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Mullin9 wrote:
>
>> I have a Beige Powermac G3,
>> Is there a way to add the FireWire 400 card in the PCI slot,
>> and boot off an external Hard drive.
>
> Yes. You can add any FW400 card and boot OS X from external FW drives
> using XPostFacto 4.0.
>

Yes you can!!!

BUT that isn't an affirmative answer to the question.
BECAUSE, what XPostFacto does, is to start the FW400 'boot process'  
FROM another 'hard disk', already mounted to the system by the first  
part of the 'boot-up' process.
I.E. it can't work if the FW400 is the only HD available to the system.

Chuck D.

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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Charles Davis]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:45 AM, Mullin9 wrote:

>
> I have a Beige Powermac G3,
> Is there a way to add the FireWire 400 card in the PCI slot,
> and boot off an external Hard drive.
>
> Did any Beige G3, ever came with a Firewire 400 built in.

Nope & nope.

The 'bootability' of Firewire , or USB, is determined by when the  
drivers are active.
IF the 'firmware' is recent enough to include those drivers, then  
they can be used to complete the booting process, otherwise, no.

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Re: Wireless for PB 3400

[Simon Royal]

Hi

The 3400 can take any 16-bit card. Something like the Orinoco Silver or 
WaveLAN would work, but you would need some drivers from the net.

Simon

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On Oct 1 2008, Nick Hull wrote:


Is there a (cheap) wireless card for a PowerBook 3400 running OS 8.6? 
How much should it cost?



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Wireless for PB 3400

[Nick Hull]

Is there a (cheap) wireless card for a PowerBook 3400 running OS 8.6? 
How much should it cost?
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Re: Hard drive upgrade progress

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:28 AM, PeterH wrote:

> All SATA drives have an "L" shaped data cable and an "L" shaped  
> power cable.

I don't have much experience with these SATA connectors, and the Apple  
cables in my G5 are so much better than the cheap cables on a PC I'm  
messing with. Even with the "L" shaped connector, the cheap cables  
tend to skew open on one end making the orientation of the cable  
somewhat critical. They're definitely better than the PATA ribbon  
cables, but . . . not yet perfect, that's for certain.


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Re: Beige Powermac G3 with FW 400

[Kris Tilford]

On Oct 1, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Mullin9 wrote:

> I have a Beige Powermac G3,
> Is there a way to add the FireWire 400 card in the PCI slot,
> and boot off an external Hard drive.

Yes. You can add any FW400 card and boot OS X from external FW drives  
using XPostFacto 4.0.

The best Firewire cards use the Texas Instruments chipset. Others may  
also work, I'm not aware of any that are unbootable. On the other end,  
the enclosure end, Oxford chipsets are by far the best, and some need  
to be avoided, specifically the GeneSys Logic GL711/811 and the early  
Prolific Logic PL3507. These are flakey and can't boot. Most of the  
enclosures sold by HD manufacturers are bootable and OK.

To boot you'll need to install OS X onto the HD and then use  
XPostFacto to enable FW booting by using the "Helper Disk" option.  
This is done by starting the boot process on an internal HD (called  
the 'helper') and then transferring the boot over to the external HD  
after the Firewire port has initialized. This is done by synchronizing  
the boot software on both drives, the boot software on the helper is  
stored in special invisible files, so you can have another System on  
the drive or partition without messing it up. You should be able to  
boot any version of OS X, but Panther and Tiger run better than  
Jaguar. To effectively run Panther or Tiger you'll need to invest in  
an ATI Radeon video card because of a video bug that effects the  
onboard Rage video. You can also enable Quartz Extreme with a Radeon  
card using PCI Extreme 3.1, which will really speed up some graphics  
operations, I've noticed that scrolling large files such as large  
iTunes libraries is dramatically faster with Quartz Extreme enabled.

You won't have any 1st 8 GB limit on external FW HDs, you can boot a  
500 GB or 1 TB if you want. The 1st 8 GB partition IS important still,  
the "helper" MUST be within that 1st 8 GB. If you have an internal HD  
larger than 128 GB (the max recognized by a Beige), you can enable the  
entire drive to be recognized and be useable in two ways. The easiest  
is to format the HD with Intech HD Speedtools 3.5 for OS 9 which makes  
the whole HD useable in OS 9.x. Then you can use the Intech Hi- 
Capacity Extension for OS X to enable OS X to see the whole HD. There  
is one problem with this, which is IF you ever boot a CD/DVD or other  
HD System that LACKS the Intech Hi-Cap. extension you can destroy the  
data on the whole HD. The solution is to partition the HD at EXACTLY  
the 128 GB point (131,072 MB) so that if you boot a "normal" system it  
will only have access to that "perfect" 1st 128 GB partition and the  
rest will remain untouched and invisible.

The 2nd way to enable larger HD is by a tweak to the Open Firmware  
that enables larger HDs to be recognized. This is free, but again, for  
safety you'd need to partition at the exact 128 GB point just in case  
the Open Firmware tweak was erased and set to the default state again.  
You can search the G3-5 List archives for "LBA48" and read about this,  
or see this page:


I like booting from Firewire, it's much simpler than messing around  
with this internal large HD support. You could even use a small OEM HD  
inside the Beige with OS 9 installed, and have OS X only on the large  
external FW HD. Should work perfect. If you need help, I can help off- 
list.

> Did any Beige G3, ever came with a Firewire 400 built in.

No.


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Re: Hard drive upgrade progress

[PeterH]

On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:56 PM, diane wrote:

> None of my research indicated the POWER connector is different on the
> SATA drives.

All SATA drives have an "L" shaped data cable and an "L" shaped power  
cable.

The goal was: for the first time all kinds of drives ... 3.5" hard,  
2.5" hard, 5.25" optical ... use the very same physical interface in  
all cases.

I believe there were a few very early SATA drives which used a 4-pin  
Molex/AMP power connector, but those drives have long since been  
purged from the distributor stock.



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