Re: 10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

Will do - thank you!

On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:
>
>>
>> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
>> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
>> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>>
>> Help.
>
> Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts
> normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and
> rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all
> the help your system needs? Good luck!
>
>
> >


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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

[insightinmind]

On May 23, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
> I don't know of a similar check for
> Core Image other than trying something that requires Core Image, there
> are several screensavers that use Core Image effects which wouldn't
> work if the Radeon 7000 was killing it in the 9800 Pro.

Concerning Core Image Check, I believe adding a Widget to the  
Dashboard will give the water ripple effect if Core Image is working?

I's like to know of some other checks if someone could e-mail me  
offlist. Thanks

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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

[Kris Tilford]

On May 23, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Rory wrote:

> And their website [PCI Extreme 3.1] doesn't guarantee anything later  
> than 10.4.3.

It works fine in 10.4.11. This was just a "bad" update (I think it was  
actually the 10.4.4?) that was an "anomoly" for PCI Extreme. It works  
fine with 10.4.11, which is the "only" Tiger version anyone should be  
using. I don't know about Leopard, I'm skeptical it would work, but  
who knows until you try? After all, it's only changing one single line  
of a .plist file.

> If I swapped for the AGP 5200 I wouldn't need a second video card  
> period, but I'm not really willing to do that since the 9800 Pro is  
> pretty much a better card all around.

Yes, but if the PCI Radeon 7000's presence is killing off the  
acceleration of the 9800 Pro, you're hosed compared to a working AGP  
5200. You need to check each display with Quartz Extreme Check 1.2 to  
see if Quartz Extreme is working. I don't know of a similar check for  
Core Image other than trying something that requires Core Image, there  
are several screensavers that use Core Image effects which wouldn't  
work if the Radeon 7000 was killing it in the 9800 Pro.


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Re: OS 10.5

[Kris Tilford]

On May 23, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Doug Burton wrote:
> On May 23, 2009, at 3:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?
>>
>> Bailey
>
> Owning the same computer I would have to say stay with 10.4.  I  
> tried 10.5 on an upgraded DA (1.6 Ghz) and it seemed sluggish to  
> me.  So much so that I decided to not even try it on the MDD.

I downgraded my 1.58 GHz Mini from Leopard back to Tiger specifically  
because Leopard was sluggish. Benchmark archives for XBench and  
Geekbench show about a 20% across the board slowdown for PPC Macs from  
Tiger to Leopard, and about a 20% speedup for Intel Macs. I'm using my  
PPC Mini as a media center computer, and it can't play HD video  
smoothly in Leopard, and just barely in Tiger, but just barely is just  
barely good enough. Stick with Tiger.


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Re: OS 10.5

[Doug Burton]

On May 23, 2009, at 3:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:

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>
>
> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?
>
> Bailey

Owning the same computer I would have to say stay with 10.4.  I tried  
10.5 on an upgraded DA (1.6 Ghz) and it seemed sluggish to me.  So  
much so that I decided to not even try it on the MDD.  HTH

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Re: Mac OS 9 Booting in "X Only" G4 Macs, using firmware tweaks

[Mullin9]

On May 22, 1:37 am, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On May 22, 2009, at 2:11 AM, MaGioZal wrote:
>
> > The problem is that Classic emulation does not function with 10.5 or  
> > the
> > intel Macs...
>
> Yes, but under 10.5 or Intel Macs (or PCs) you can use Sheepshaver to  
> run OS 9 in emulation:
>
> 

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Re: 10.5.7

[Kris Tilford]

On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote:

>
> Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files
> appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue
> screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.
>
> Help.

Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts  
normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and  
rebuilds the kernel & extensions caches, which should hopefully be all  
the help your system needs? Good luck!


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10.5.7

[Meghrouni Vince]

Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed.  Starts up, apps, volumes and files  
appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process.  Goes to blue  
screen.  Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again.

Help.

Vince Meghrouni

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Re: OS 10.5

[Amanda Ward]

On May 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:

> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?
>
> Bailey

I'm running 10.5.? (Can't remember which iteration) on a DA 733 and it  
is quite usable. It is not way fast, but usable. I would keep 10.4.x  
unless Leopard has features you can't live without! ;-)

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Re: OS 10.5

[John Hanson]

I think 10.4.11 would be advisable on a machine like that, from what I've
read, 10.5 works best on 1GHz and higher machines.

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Re: OS 10.5

[PeterH]

On May 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote:

> Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?

Probably best at 10.4.11, although 10.5 is also OK.

10.5 is best on dual processors which are significantly faster that  
1.0 GHz.

10.5.7 works great on a quad 3.2 Intel and a dual 3.6 Intel in my shop.



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Re: OS 10.5

[Baha Ata]

If you using that machine is your main computer... upgrade... If it is
secondary... Just stay on 10.4

2009/5/23 

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OS 10.5

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Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone?

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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

[Dan]

At 10:19 AM -0700 5/23/2009, Rory wrote:
>Any suggestions on going about removing said half-plug?

If it won't wiggle out, punt - just disconnect the whole socket.

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Re: Best Browser for iBook G4

[Liam Proven]

2009/5/14 Patrick Moore :
>
> I'm new to this list and know only enough about computers to get
> myself into trouble by trying to improve things. Here is question #1.
>
> 1.33 mhz, 1.25 G, OX 10.4.11. Camino was fast but beta-like
> (superimposed text, eg); Firefox is slow and does things like extend
> the text I am typing in gmail out of sight to the east on my screen;
> and loading attachments in gmail is very slow. Safari? I've not used
> it, but is it faster than FF and does it have its electronic act
> together better than Camino?
>
> I use a Mac because I need Word for my work (no, I can't use Open
> Office, tho' I wish I could) and dislike MS; otherwise I'd use Ubuntu
> where Firefox gave me no problems.
>
> Disclaimer: despite my professed antipathy to MS, I do have a cute
> little HP Mini 1000 with XP -- again, would use Ubuntu x/c I need
> Word.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore

Well, FWIW, I used Firefox on 10.4 with no issues whatsoever. I advise
AdBlock+ as a mandatory add-on, to get rid of most banner adverts -
not only do these clutter up a page visually, they slow it down.
FlashBlock is also helpful - Flash isn't quick on an older Mac, though
G4s are less of a problem than G3s, which are crippled by it.

For AJAX apps, like Gmail, you need fast JavaScript. You could try
Firefox 3.5, still in beta but fairly usable, but the fastest JS
implementation on Mac OS X is currently Safari 4. I found Safari 3 to
be clunky and unpleasant but v4 is a lot more usable. With Safari, the
simplest counterpoint to AdBlock+ is Privoxy, which works a treat and
is excellent.

Personally I use 2 browsers at once: I leave Gmail open in Safari (on
Macs) or Chrome (on Windows), and Firefox for all other general
browsing stuff. Then if Gmail is busy, it doesn't slow down your
general browsing.

Personally, although I liked Camino, I see no point any more, as F'fox
3 is pretty seamless on OS X, plus you get add-ins. Same goes for
Shiira and Webkit if you have Safari 4.

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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

[Rory]

Any suggestions on going about removing said half-plug?
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Re: Best Browser for iBook G4

[Dan]

At 9:36 AM -0700 5/23/2009, Paul wrote:
>Doesn't Safari still have that serious security problem?

What serious security problem?

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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

[Dan]

At 11:38 AM -0400 5/23/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>On May 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Rory wrote:
>>
>>  Externals plugged into the front headphone jack.  I guess I should
>>  have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack
>>  broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the
>>  year or so that I have been using it regularly.
>
>I would probably suspect this as the cause of flaky audio. As time 
>goes by, the jacks/inserts also corrode, ever so slightly, causing 
>poor connections and audio drops ... corrosion even while plugged in, 
>especially if the atmosphere is polluted ... so it could change while 
>sitting perfectly still ...

yea.  Fix this first.  It feels like the most likely culprit so far.

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Re: Best Browser for iBook G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 23, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Paul wrote:

>
> Doesn't Safari still have that serious security problem?

The RSS feed hole was patched long ago, and with two changes, the  
current Java problem (which is actually in the OS, not Safari) can be  
fixed. Turn off Java in the prefs (you can enable it/disable it on the  
fly) and uncheck 'open safe content after downloading' which, in my  
opinion should NEVER be enabled.

I've been using Safari 4 beta since it's release, and after a few days  
of discombobulation with the tabs and such, have come to like it a  
heck of a lot.

Coupled with ClickToFlash, it's an unbeatable browser, imo. (CTF is  
also under continued development, I just got an update notice this  
week.)

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Re: Best Browser for iBook G4

[Paul]

Doesn't Safari still have that serious security problem?
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Re: iMac G3 500 or G4 Powermac 400?

[Paul]

On May 22, 10:40 am, Jim G  wrote:
> I have a G4/400 Sawtooth (AGP Graphics) and it runs OSX 10.4.9 fine.


Is there a reason not to go to 10.4.11, or is it just that you haven't
done it yet?
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Re: iMac G3 500 or G4 Powermac 400?

[Paul]

I've worked with both, and the G4 has so many advantages, it's a no-
brainer. You'll need a monitor, but even LCD's are cheap these days,
and smaller good used ones are close to free any more.

And the CRT in the iMac could be on its last legs.
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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

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On May 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Rory wrote:
>
> Externals plugged into the front headphone jack.  I guess I should
> have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack
> broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the
> year or so that I have been using it regularly.


I would probably suspect this as the cause of flaky audio. As time  
goes by, the jacks/inserts also corrode, ever so slightly, causing  
poor connections and audio drops ... corrosion even while plugged in,  
especially if the atmosphere is polluted ... so it could change while  
sitting perfectly still ...

I even get this on my Mackie Pro audio board ... gold plated  
connectors avoid this. And I live in a small town, "limited  
pollution" (still on the planet Earth, though) ... except for the  
pollen ...

Unplugging and plugging it back in, sometimes cleans things up ...  
although you say its broken off inside ...

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Re: What could be causing the sound to cut out?

[Rory]

On May 22, 3:45 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
>Seems likely the Radeon 7000 could be a problem and perhaps you've lost all the
> Core support, including Core Audio?

That was the only reason I thought it might be the video cards, but
that seems kinda weird to me.

> I believe the 5200 does support Core Image but if you're using the PCI
> version, you'd still need PCI Extreme to get QE working, and if you're
> using Leopard, I'm not sure PCI Extreme works? I know it works in
> 10.4.11. If the Radeon 7000 is causing Core Audio to not work,
> switching could be a solution to your issue? Let us know.

And their website doesn't guarantee anything later than 10.4.3.
Probably don't want to try it on Leopard then, although if I swapped
for the AGP 5200 I wouldn't need a second video card period, but I'm
not really willing to do that since the 9800 Pro is pretty much a
better card all around.  Decisions, decisions.

On May 22, 3:56 pm, Dan  wrote:
> What about Finder sounds, and other apps (IMs, etc), do they cut out?

All sounds are gone.  I use the volume buttons, no sounds.  No noises
for events in Terminal, Thunderbird, MSN or Adium.

> Try playing your music with QuickTime Player instead of iTunes.  Does
> that make a diff?

Does it in iTunes, QuickTime and Songbird, oddly enough.

> Is this on your built-in speakers or externals?

Externals plugged into the front headphone jack.  I guess I should
have mentioned that the back audio jack has half of an 3.5mm jack
broken off in it, but this had never been in an issue before in the
year or so that I have been using it regularly.

> Seems very strange to me that audio cutouts would be video-card related

It seems weird to me, too, but that was the only major change that
I've done to the machine in the week or so before it started
happening:  adding a new video card and a second monitor.

> Might be worth checking and cleaning the speaker connections etc.
> Maybe when your PM is huffing & puffing, the fan vibration is causing
> things to move enough...

I did check that, but it seems to be resolving on its own without
having to touch cables.

> Long shot, but do you have cats?  My powermacs are succeptable to
> feline interference.  Frieda grabs the speaker cable and pulls/licks
> until it comes loose...  (this is an improvement; her first fav was
> the fireware cables!)

I do, but they don't seem to have any particular affinity to my
computers other than the little one liking to curl up behind the
exhaust vents of the two PowerMacs under my desk.  I'll keep an eye
out for them, though.  Never know.
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Re: My 750GB Seagate Disappeared ...

[insightinmind]

On May 23, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On May 22, 2009, at 11:35 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>
>> My QS doesn't have PCIE ...
>
> Try a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it boots,
> restart normally and everything should be OK. If you can't Safe Boot
> or it panics after the Safe Boot, then reinstall the 10.5.7 Combo
> Update and try again. If that fails . . . start over or go to backup.

Do you think my kp had to do with the 10.5.7 update and my machine  
not being "reset"?

A Safe Boot being the tool to reset it? I might also try doing the  
AppleJack auto sequence now that my drive is back ...

I removed the adaptec AUA-3020A NEC Chipset D720101GJ USB2/FW PCI  
card, thinking I had just lucked out that it seemed to be working  
under 10.5.6 (and my new replacement mobo), but after the 10.5.7  
update, the next cold boot gave me the kp. Maybe I'll put it back,  
and do the Safe Boot and see what happens next ... didn't someone  
mention this chipset and that it had been verified under OS X 10.5 as  
working on the xlr8yourmac.com site? I couldn't find it there ...

I was doing the CCC writing to the Docs partition, from its clone  
that I had changed Ownership on, so I thought that might have been a  
part of the eventual freeze ... but maybe not. The Bombich Forum  
hasn't responded to my CCC inquiry there:
http://forums.bombich.com/viewtopic.php?t=14382

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