Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[tortoise]

On Jun 22, 12:03 am, Ralph Green  wrote:
> Howdy,
[snip]
> Or, it could be that this
> hack does not work on the Sawtooth.  Any thoughts?
We've been through this argument before.
There was a guy selling modified board from 133mhz bus to work on
100mhz, listed a bunch on ebay consecutively w/ no complaints for a
while.
Not too long ago, but
Haven't seen any lately, he may have run out.

Somewhere in this group archives you may find the link of the old ebay
ad.

No idea what he did. But it is possible.




>   I'll still try this hack on my G4 Gigabit Ethernet later.  My friend
> has 12 of these Sawtooths that we would like to upgrade for a school, so
> we decided to try one of those first.  He had been telling me they were
> G4 Digital Audios, but they weren't.
>
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Re: Disk U9tility

[Stephen Conrad]

On 6/22/09, Al Poulin  wrote:
>
> On Jun 22, 1:14 am, Po-en Tsai  wrote:
>> On 22/06/2009, at 4:59 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Where do I find the password this program keeps asking for?
>> > It is NOT my Keychain PW as I know this one.
>>
>> Have you tried your normal password? I don't see why Disk Utility
>> would ask for a password...
>
> At what point in using Disk Utility does it ask you for the password?
> Are you working from a User account?  Perhaps it is asking you for the
> Admin password.
>
> Al Poulin

I was trying to get it to Eject some Flash Drives so I could get them to Mount.
I can see them with Disk Utility but they refuse to Mount (they were
Mounted before I rebooted this machine)

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[insightinmind]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
>> I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything "BUT" 3.5
>> drives using the USB interface? just strange.
>
>
> Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on
> something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability?
>
> 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter?
>


In one of the other models, the following switching bug is noted:
***
While the rear panel Interface Converter Switch switched to eSATA  
interface, it only support SATA I transfer rate.
This is known issue and should be fixed in future releases.

Please switch to USB interface.

Note: While the enclosure is switched to USB interface, both USB and  
eSATA interface works and supports SATA II transfer rate via eSATA.

Maybe the switch is being blocked by the bigger drive? or did you not  
switch to USB/eSATA from eSATA only?

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Doug Burton]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:24 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
>
>> I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything "BUT" 3.5
>> drives using the USB interface? just strange.
>
>
> Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on
> something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability?
>
> 2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter?
>
> Bill Connelly
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I think most docks are setup to accommodate either size, I know mine  
has a cutout in the little access door for a 2.5" drive and if you  
insert the larger 3.5" drive the door is spring loaded and just  
collapses to allow the bigger drive insertion.  HTH

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[insightinmind]

> I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything "BUT" 3.5
> drives using the USB interface? just strange.


Is the size of the drive that's not working, making it push on  
something USB internally, that is shutting down that capability?

2.5 small ... 3.5 bigger ... i.e., does size matter?

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote:

>
>> As for the one I'm having troubles with: 
>> http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html
>> It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via  
>> esata
>> connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff
>
> OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the
> "obvious" explanation which is escaping me.
>
> If the 2.5" drive works with USB, then I would think there is no
> problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA->USB logic to
> either work or not work.
>
> But if the 3.5" drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is
> no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the
> drive.
>
> So why wouldn't the 3.5" drive *also* work with USB?
>
> Is there a "big" difference between the capacities of the two drives?
> (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5" drive partitioned
> & formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to
> another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that
> helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-(
>
> -irrational john
>

I honestly don't know why the thing works with everything "BUT" 3.5  
drives using the USB interface? just strange. Jeff


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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Doug Burton]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:55 PM, John Martz wrote:

>
>> As for the one I'm having troubles with: http://www.icydock.com/ 
>> product/mb664us-1s.html
>> It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via  
>> esata
>> connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff
>
> OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the
> "obvious" explanation which is escaping me.
>
> If the 2.5" drive works with USB, then I would think there is no
> problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA->USB logic to
> either work or not work.
>
> But if the 3.5" drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is
> no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the
> drive.
>
> So why wouldn't the 3.5" drive *also* work with USB?
>
> Is there a "big" difference between the capacities of the two drives?
> (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5" drive partitioned
> & formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to
> another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that
> helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-(
>
> -irrational john

Actually, USB-SATA (or IDE for that matter) connections do tend to be  
a bit more complicated than the direct connect eSATA.  Keep in mind  
you are going through a mess of interfaces with any one of them being  
able to mess up the entire connection at any time.  It can be a bit  
flaky at times also, especially if you disconnect one drive and  
insert another.  The eSATA connection is almost a direct connection  
to the motherboard with just a cable switch.HTH

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[PeterH]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote:

> Is there a "big" difference between the capacities of the two drives?

2.5" SATA has the very same power and data connectors as all current  
3.5" SATA.

2.5" SATA goes to 500 GB.

3.5" SATA goes to 1.5 TB (1500 GB), with 2 TB (2000 GB) being sampled.

As most host SATA buses are supporting 3.0 Gb/s, there is probably no  
need for 1.5 Gb/s, or the jumper which forces a drive to 1.5 Gb/s.

The iSATA/eSATA cards for most G series Macs are 1.5 Gb/s, but the  
jumper really isn't necessary as the drive and the host will mutually  
determine the best speed.

My Initio-based G4 cards (1.5 Gb/s) are perfectly happy with my eSATA  
drives which are jumpered for 3.0 Gb/s, and which I use  
interchangeably on my Intel Hackintoshes, all of which, even my Intel  
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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote:

>
>> As for the one I'm having troubles with: 
>> http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html
>> It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via  
>> esata
>> connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff
>
> OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the
> "obvious" explanation which is escaping me.
>
> If the 2.5" drive works with USB, then I would think there is no
> problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA->USB logic to
> either work or not work.
>
> But if the 3.5" drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is
> no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the
> drive.
>
> So why wouldn't the 3.5" drive *also* work with USB?
>
> Is there a "big" difference between the capacities of the two drives?
> (Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5" drive partitioned
> & formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to
> another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that
> helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-(
>
> -irrational john
>

Hey john... what's your number, I'll call ya or you me at  
208-935-0992, Jeff

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[John Martz]

> As for the one I'm having troubles with: 
> http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html
> It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata
> connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff

OK, I'm stumped and am now waiting for someone else to post the
"obvious" explanation which is escaping me.

If the 2.5" drive works with USB, then I would think there is no
problem with USB. In other words, I'd expect the SATA->USB logic to
either work or not work.

But if the 3.5" drive works with eSATA, then I would assume there is
no problem with the power supply provided by the enclosure to the
drive.

So why wouldn't the 3.5" drive *also* work with USB?

Is there a "big" difference between the capacities of the two drives?
(Maybe there USB has a capacity limit?) Was the 3.5" drive partitioned
& formatted? Did you try more than one USB connector or connecting to
another computer? Sorry, I realize that these questions aren't that
helpful, but I've got nothing else. :-(

-irrational john

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:35 PM, insightinmind wrote:

>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this
>>> earlier in the thread).
>>
>> 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on
>> it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in
>> several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The
>> drive would spin up light comes on, that's it.
>
> About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard
> vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB
> 2 bootable became good (or was that "became flaky"?) under Leopard,
> and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot
> from on the 3.5 drive?
>
> I'll stop here ...


I'm using an intel-based mini for the "booting" of that usb connected  
enclosure (all the intel based macs boot from usb without issues) I  
don't believe that PPC macs ever did. Jeff

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Doug Burton]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 1:03 PM, MacGuy wrote:

>
> ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure...
> question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for
> this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is "testing" the enclosure to see if
> it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a
> mac mini). Jeff
>
> Jeffrey Engle
> macgu...@gmail.com
> PowerMac G4

No, I have a Vantec  NexStar USB/SATA HD dock and the 2.5 and 3.5  
drives plug into the same power and data connectors.  HTH

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[insightinmind]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:23 PM, MacGuy wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>>
>> Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this
>> earlier in the thread).
>
> 2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on
> it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in
> several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The
> drive would spin up light comes on, that's it.

About boot-a-bility of external USB drives ... is that OS X (Leopard  
vrs Tiger) dependent in any way? I thought I read somewhere that USB  
2 bootable became good (or was that "became flaky"?) under Leopard,  
and was not good under Tiger. If so, what OS were you trying to boot  
from on the 3.5 drive?

I'll stop here ...

Bill Connelly
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Re: monitor

[Al Poulin]

On Jun 22, 8:22 am, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these
> days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use
> with my B&W.  Sonnet G-4 upgrade.
>
> Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor?  Specs?

In this list, there was a thread earlier this month which may help
you:
Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices?
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/905f0b49d19a75eb?hl=en

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Re: monitor

[dorayme]

> Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 5:22 am
> From: Lawrence David Eden
>
>
> My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these
> days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use
> with my B&W.  Sonnet G-4 upgrade.
>
> Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor?   
> Specs?
>
> I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color.

Not sure what the quality of resolution and colour have to do with  
arranging music, but one of the biggest indicators of quality is  
angle of view. The cheaper LCDs always have a low figure for this,  
160/160. The better ones a figure like 178/178.

It is not that this attribute is everything, though it is really  
handy to have more and not less of it, but that it tends to go with  
other desirable things like richer colours.

If you want 20 to 24, you can get good res and reasonable everything  
for under $AU400. If you want real quality, expect to fork out more.

I did years back and it was noice while it lasted but the fluros  
started flickering and went off after 3 years and now I make do with  
cheaper LCDs (banks of them!) which will irritate me by lasting  
forever probably! But they are not that bad and it is nice to know it  
does not matter if they bust.

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:08 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive
> was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the
> USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage?
>
> If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad.
>
> Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this
> earlier in the thread).

2.5 mounted on the desktop via USB, I booted from a leopard volume on  
it..all looked ok. Then I connected the 3.5 (which works perfectly in  
several other macs/ and enclosures) and it would not even mount. The  
drive would spin up light comes on, that's it.   I looked at  
reviews of this particular icydock enclosure and other people had  
power issues as well... strange... don't think I'll be buying another  
one of these.
I am open to "other" good quality enclosures..

John Martz

As for the one I'm having troubles with: 
http://www.icydock.com/product/mb664us-1s.html
It has esata.. and funny that you'd ask, yes it worked great via esata  
connection. And lastly, no, it's not under warranty. Jeff

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Clark Martin]

John Martz wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
>> The standard 3.5" & 5.25" drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V.
>> 2.5" drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line.  There
>> is no 3.3V line on drive power cables.
> 
> I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external
> power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v.
> 
> But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard
> 15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of
> the current 3.5" drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently
> part of the spec.
> 
> I don't know about 2.5" drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts
> as you said.
> 
> I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might
> require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no
> idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to
> some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says.
> 
> (I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a
> volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what
> it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some
> pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta
> know his limitations ...)

I haven't looked into the SATA spec but I would think that in time the 
drives will use 3.3V for the logic in place of 5V.  Most computer logic 
is going this way.

A lower power supply voltage means not only lower power consumption but 
also faster speed.


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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[insightinmind]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:51 PM, insightinmind wrote:
>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote:

>> Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply,
>> the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it
>> wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always
>> given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would "unmount"
>> itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop?  
>> This
>> must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another  
>> power
>> supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff
>
>
> Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have
> jumper requirements?)
>
> Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure?
>

I guess I should have also asked ... how did you know the 2.5 drive  
was working? Did it mount on your desktop? and was that through the  
USB? Did you decide the 2.5 and 3.5 both required the same voltage?

If all true, it sounds more like the 3.5 drive is bad.

Have you tried the 3.5 drive elsewhere? (apologies if you state this  
earlier in the thread).

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[John Martz]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
> The standard 3.5" & 5.25" drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V.
> 2.5" drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line.  There
> is no 3.3V line on drive power cables.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Yes, I think all the external
power supplies I've seen have only supplied at most +12v and +5v.

But the SATA spec apparently specifies that pins 1 to 3 of a standard
15 pin SATA power connector should supply 3.3 volts. I doubt any of
the current 3.5" drives actually depend on this, but it's apparently
part of the spec.

I don't know about 2.5" drives, but I suspect they only need 5 volts
as you said.

I've seen speculation that some of the solid state memory drives might
require the 3.3v supply, but it was just speculation. I really have no
idea why the SATA power connector is supposed to provide 3.3 volts to
some pins. But apparently that's what the spec says.

(I thought about ... and immediately rejected ... poking around with a
volt meter in my SATA external enclosure's power connector to see what
it supplies to pins 1 to 3. Knowing me, I would be sure to short some
pins to ground and destroy a perfectly good enclosure. A geek's gotta
know his limitations ...)

-irrational john

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[John Martz]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:34 PM, MacGuy wrote:
>
> This icydock enclosure has always
> given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would "unmount"
> itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This
> must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power
> supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff

Which ICY DOCK enclosure? Just curious ... I occasionally look at the
ICY DOCK MB881US-1S-1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198029
and go "Hmm" but (1) it costs more than I'd want to pay and
(2) the *last* thing I need is yet another enclosure.

You say it has given you grief when used via USB. Does it have another
mode (eSATA perhaps?) where it works reliably? If that's the case then
I'd suspect the SATA->USB logic board rather than the power supply. (I
expect there's not much if any "logic" required to convert SATA
->eSATA.)

No chance the enclosure is still under warranty?

-irrational john

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Re: powermac question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Roger Deghetto wrote:

> i got a question maybe someone can answer i know the slot loading  
> imac had harmon kardon speakers.
> now my question is this was the single speaker that came with any of  
> the powermac models made by harmon kardon and if its not a harmon  
> kardon then who made it? and what macs had shipped with with it if  
> they did come with harmon kardon

Here's the LEM article on the Harmon-Kardon speakers 



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powermac question

[Roger Deghetto]

i got a question maybe someone can answer i know the slot loading imac had 
harmon kardon speakers.
now my question is this was the single speaker that came with any of the 
powermac models made by harmon kardon and if its not a harmon kardon then who 
made it? and what macs had shipped with with it if they did come with harmon 
kardon

thanks
  roger


  
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Re: Disk U9tility

[Al Poulin]

On Jun 22, 1:14 am, Po-en Tsai  wrote:
> On 22/06/2009, at 4:59 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>
>
>
> > Where do I find the password this program keeps asking for?
> > It is NOT my Keychain PW as I know this one.
>
> Have you tried your normal password? I don't see why Disk Utility  
> would ask for a password...

At what point in using Disk Utility does it ask you for the password?
Are you working from a User account?  Perhaps it is asking you for the
Admin password.

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:34 AM, MacGuy wrote:
>
>> Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply,
>> the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it
>> wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always
>> given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would "unmount"
>> itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop?  
>> This
>> must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another  
>> power
>> supply for it?
>
> Definitely sounds like a power issue, what does the spec on the
> current power supply say? If it's a typical wall wart all you need to
> match are the voltage, the connector size and polarity and provide as
> much or more current.
>
> (ie: if it's 12v 500MA, a 12V 800MA supply will work just fine, but a
> 14V 500MA supply will not.)
>
> That said, 'sounds like a power issue' doesn't mean it's the power
> supply. More than likely it's the IO board in the enclosure.
>
> If it's a built-in power supply, I'd forget about it; get a new
> enclosure. If USB2 is good for you they're cheap 
> >
>
>

Bruce, it's not a wall wart, it's a Model # saw34-12.0/5.0-2000. I  
found a new power supply by calling the Icydock folks... for about 25  
bucks plus shipping.. so i'll try that first. Worst case scenario, I'm  
out the 25 bucks. I just hate throwing this enclosure away. It's one  
of the screw-less ones. Also, I took the I/O board out, gave it a  
close look, no burnt places? I know it's a gamble, but here goes  
At least if it is the I/O board, I can chuck it in the trash and solve  
that question in my mind, "what's wrong with this stupid thing"? Jeff

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Clark Martin]

John Martz wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce
> Johnson wrote:
>> No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5" and 3.5" drives
>> require the same voltages) things should work out fine.
> 
> I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not
> positive they use the same voltages.
> 
> I agree that since both 2.5" & 3.5" drives use the same connector then
> the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't
> know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5" drive from a
> USB connector unless the 2.5" drives required anything other than 5v.
> 
> I've always assumed that the 2.5" drives simply ignored the 12v power
> line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently
> most (all?) of the 3.5" drives do in order to allow them to be powered
> via a 5v & 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power
> connector adapter).
> 
> I hate it when manufacturers take "shortcuts" and don't fully
> implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when
> "everbody knows" it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the
> 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open.

The standard 3.5" & 5.25" drive power connector supplies +12V and +5V. 
2.5" drives only need 5V so they would just use that power line.  There 
is no 3.3V line on drive power cables.





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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[insightinmind]

>
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote:
>

> Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply,
> the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it
> wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always
> given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would "unmount"
> itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This
> must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power
> supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff


Is the 3.5 drive jumpered correctly? (do SATA drives still have  
jumper requirements?)

Is the 3.5 drive bad, and not the enclosure?

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:34 AM, MacGuy wrote:

> Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply,
> the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it
> wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always
> given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would "unmount"
> itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This
> must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power
> supply for it?

Definitely sounds like a power issue, what does the spec on the  
current power supply say? If it's a typical wall wart all you need to  
match are the voltage, the connector size and polarity and provide as  
much or more current.

(ie: if it's 12v 500MA, a 12V 800MA supply will work just fine, but a  
14V 500MA supply will not.)

That said, 'sounds like a power issue' doesn't mean it's the power  
supply. More than likely it's the IO board in the enclosure.

If it's a built-in power supply, I'd forget about it; get a new  
enclosure. If USB2 is good for you they're cheap 



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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:11 AM, nestamicky wrote:

>
> I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I
> can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the
> machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a  
> capture card?

yeah hardware specs call for some sort of video capture, either via a  
PCI or USB device.

Many HD cable boxes have FW out for this purpose, too.

See here 


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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:14 AM, John Martz wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce
> Johnson wrote:
>>
>> No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5" and 3.5" drives
>> require the same voltages) things should work out fine.
>
> I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not
> positive they use the same voltages.
>
> I agree that since both 2.5" & 3.5" drives use the same connector then
> the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't
> know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5" drive from a
> USB connector unless the 2.5" drives required anything other than 5v.
>
> I've always assumed that the 2.5" drives simply ignored the 12v power
> line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently
> most (all?) of the 3.5" drives do in order to allow them to be powered
> via a 5v & 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power
> connector adapter).
>
> I hate it when manufacturers take "shortcuts" and don't fully
> implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when
> "everbody knows" it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the
> 12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open.
>
> Sorry to view off point so far.
>
> -irrational john
>

Well after plugging the 2.5 into the I/O board and the power supply,  
the 2.5 booted and ran fine. However when the 3.5 drive was used, it  
wouldn't even mount on the desktop? This icydock enclosure has always  
given me grief when it was hooked up via USB... it would "unmount"  
itself after 3 mins or less time plugged/ mounted on the desktop? This  
must be a power supply issue then... wonder where to get another power  
supply for it? I hate to chuck it in the trash Jeff

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Fwd: monitor

[iJohn]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
>
> Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor?  Specs?

I don't consider myself very knowledgeable about monitors ... I'm
partially color blind for one thing ... so I wasn't going to say
anything.

In hindsight I suppose I could off up my pet peeve with my current
monitor, a 19" Samsung 941BW. When watching some video, it's clear in
dimly lit scenes that the contrast is not as good as what I took for
granted on my previous CRT monitor.

That said it doesn't bug me enough to change. But one thing you might
consider in a new monitor is how good a contrast ratio (?) it has.
FWIW, I think most of the latest crop of monitors is much better than
than the one I have.

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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[nestamicky]

On 6/22/2009 9:53 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote:
>
>
>> Have either of you two considered MythTV?   It takes a bit of
>> fiddling, but you're both pros at that.
>>
>> http://www.mythtv.org
>>  
>
> Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have
> the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go that route I'd
> build a small Linux box or get a Mac Mini to do the job.
>
> A future project.
>
>
I second Bruce on this one, I think a Linux box would do just fine. I 
can't seem to find on their site though who it pulls video into the 
machinejust through the cat5? Or, does the machine need a capture card?

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[John Martz]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruce
Johnson wrote:
>
> No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5" and 3.5" drives
> require the same voltages) things should work out fine.

I don't know how pertinent to this thread this is, but I'm not
positive they use the same voltages.

I agree that since both 2.5" & 3.5" drives use the same connector then
the same voltages should be *supplied* to the drive. However, I don't
know how they could pull off the trick of powering a 2.5" drive from a
USB connector unless the 2.5" drives required anything other than 5v.

I've always assumed that the 2.5" drives simply ignored the 12v power
line in the connector (and probably also the 3.3v ... as apparently
most (all?) of the 3.5" drives do in order to allow them to be powered
via a 5v & 12v 4-pin molex connector plugged into a SATA power
connector adapter).

I hate it when manufacturers take "shortcuts" and don't fully
implement a spec. But it's a fact of life that they do this when
"everbody knows" it will work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the
12v (and 3.3v) pins on most laptop supplies were open.

Sorry to view off point so far.

-irrational john

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:03 AM, MacGuy wrote:

>
> ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure...
> question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for
> this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is "testing" the enclosure to see if
> it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a
> mac mini). Jeff

No. So long as you can connect them (and both 2.5" and 3.5" drives  
require the same volatges) things should work out fine.

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Re: monitor

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

>
> My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these
> days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use
> with my B&W.  Sonnet G-4 upgrade.
>
> Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor?   
> Specs?
>
> I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.

I have an Acer 19" wide screen I've had for a couple years now. I  
forget the model number (AL19 -something) but it's been a champ  
performer since I got it.

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Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[John Martz]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, MacGuy wrote:
> ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure...
> question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for
> this 2.5 drive?

I've always gone by the rule that if they have exactly the same
connectors then they are/should be getting exactly the same power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Power_supply

If the 2.5" drives have different power requirements than the 3.5"
then I would think that is something which is handled internal to the
drive. But as always I am curious to see what other have to say.

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Re: monitor

[Clark Martin]

Lawrence David Eden wrote:
> My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these 
> days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use 
> with my B&W.  Sonnet G-4 upgrade.
> 
> Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor?  Specs?
> 
> I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> 

I've recently bought two LCD monitors.  In both cases I looked around 
and ended up ordering them from www.geeks.com.  They were both 
refurbished units and both cost around $100.  One was an HP 1600x1200 
monitor, it has three bad pixels.  The other is a Dell 1280 x 1024 
monitor and I haven't spotted any bad pixels on it.  Both have VGA and 
DVI inputs.


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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[Clark Martin]

trag wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin  wrote:
>> Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>>> Well, "Media Computer" is a bit more grandiloquent than "computer
>>> attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching
>>> video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web".
> 
>>> I'm not doing DVR or anything fancy like that.
>>> In the future I'm looking to consolidate our media libraries onto a
>>> single server and access it from all the computers in the house, but
>>> for now, I can keep stuff synched pretty easily.
>> I have a G4 Mac Mini, 1.4 GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb RAM I use as a media
>> computer.  I really like the compact form factor, it sits next to the
>> DVD player on the shelf.  It has an El Gato Eye TV 250 Plus TV receiver
>> attached.  It connects to a 52" LCD HDTV.
> 
> Have either of you two considered MythTV?   It takes a bit of
> fiddling, but you're both pros at that.
> 
> http://www.mythtv.org

My setup with Leopard is working so I can't really see changing to 
something that needs fiddling.  And it doesn't support my EyeTV so No, I 
wouldn't consider it.


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sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?

[MacGuy]

ok, got this 2.5 sata drive plugged into this 3.5 enclosure...  
question: can the power supplied to the 3.5 enclosure be too much for  
this 2.5 drive? (what I'm doing is "testing" the enclosure to see if  
it's good, and the only drive I have to use is a 2.5 sata drive from a  
mac mini). Jeff

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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:57 AM, trag wrote:

>>
>> And we have a winner!
>
> Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on
> contacts.  When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the
> batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good
> for another several months without replacing them.  Spinning them
> works sometimes too.

This puzzled me a little, since I had removed and replaced the  
battery, this usually works. Must have been a little more oxidized  
than usual.

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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:59 AM, trag wrote:

>
> Have either of you two considered MythTV?   It takes a bit of
> fiddling, but you're both pros at that.
>
> http://www.mythtv.org

Haven't looked into it in a while, but my old G4 just does not have  
the horsepower to do a lot of that stuff. Were I to go that route I'd  
build a small Linux box or get a Mac Mini to do the job.

A future project.

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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[trag]

On Jun 19, 12:17 pm, Clark Martin  wrote:
> Bruce Johnson wrote:

> > Well, "Media Computer" is a bit more grandiloquent than "computer
> > attached to the teevee for the purposes of playing music, watching
> > video podcasts, DVD's and surfing the web".

> > I'm not doing DVR or anything fancy like that.
>
> > In the future I'm looking to consolidate our media libraries onto a
> > single server and access it from all the computers in the house, but
> > for now, I can keep stuff synched pretty easily.
>
> I have a G4 Mac Mini, 1.4 GHz, 320Gb HD, 1Gb RAM I use as a media
> computer.  I really like the compact form factor, it sits next to the
> DVD player on the shelf.  It has an El Gato Eye TV 250 Plus TV receiver
> attached.  It connects to a 52" LCD HDTV.

Have either of you two considered MythTV?   It takes a bit of
fiddling, but you're both pros at that.

http://www.mythtv.org

Jeff Walther

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Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?

[trag]

On Jun 19, 10:37 am, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> > If the battery is alive and the machine does not start you might try
> > cleaning the battery contacts in the holder. Sometimes just spinning
> > the battery in place is enough to break through the insulating coating
> > whatever it's nature.
>
> And we have a winner!

Apparently, tiny bits of oxidation, or something can build up on
contacts.  When my VCR or TV remote stops working, I take the
batteries out, swap their positions, put them back in, and I'm good
for another several months without replacing them.  Spinning them
works sometimes too.

Jeff Walther

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monitor

[Lawrence David Eden]

My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these 
days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use 
with my B&W.  Sonnet G-4 upgrade.

Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor?  Specs?

I do mostly music arranging, so I need good resolution and color.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: digital audio processor upgrade

[smac0031]

Absolutely. However, I wouldn't get one off of eBay.

I just recently bought one from OWC. It is a 1.6Ghz. It required an
installation program which ran off a CD which required booting off the
CD, pressing the programmer switch and then booting up and running a
program which modified the boot rom, It modifies the rom so you can
boot into OS X, then you run another routine so you can run System 9
under OS X and another routine so you can boot into System 9. There
maybe a couple of other routines to run, I'd have to dig out the
manual to see.

This runs fine now. If you were to buy a processor off of eBay you
probably could just plug it in, but I don't know for sure. A processor
off of eBay would be cheap and wouldn't give you much of a speed
boost.

Personally, my rule of thumb on upgrading processors is to go 4X
faster or get a new computer. This thing cost me about $240 and if you
need to you can talk to OWC tech support.

smac0031

On Jun 21, 7:50 pm, jomac  wrote:
> is it possible to put a faster apple processor in a digital audio
> 466mhz power mac?  apple processors are available on ebay pretty
> cheap, and i'd like to know if this is a viable alternative to a non-
> apple upgrade?  if it can be done, what is the fastest apple processor
> that will work in my model.
> thanks
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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[PeterH]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Ralph Green wrote:

> I tried a QS processor in an earlier G4 chassis today.  It did not
> work, and I am wondering what to try next.  The G4 was an older model
> than I expected.  It is a Sawtooth model.

There are two basic later G4 processor types: 133 MHz bus and 100 MHz  
bus.

A QS processor is for a 133 MHz bus model, and it will only work in  
133 MHz bus models, namely the DA and the QS 2001 and QS 2002, only.

The earlier processors, such as a Gigabit E-net may work in several  
models, but I'm not as sure of how far the 100 MHz bus processor  
compatibility goes.

Giga-Designs (and the OWC-branded processors which Giga-Designs makes  
for OWC) are designed for both 133 and 100 MHz bus models.

Other than the bus speed, there is the issue of the location of the  
processor's connector, clearances for certain other connectors on the  
motherboard, and the location of the cooling fans.

The innovative Giga-Designs product is designed to be adjustable to  
cover all 133 and most 100 MHz bus models in one user-configurable  
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Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio

[Ralph Green]

Howdy,
  I tried a QS processor in an earlier G4 chassis today.  It did not
work, and I am wondering what to try next.  The G4 was an older model
than I expected.  It is a Sawtooth model.  I made the extra 12V
connection, as specified.  The system would not boot at all with the QS
processor.  I noted that the 12V power supply was a little lower than I
expected.  I measured it at 11.59V.  So, it could be that the QS
processor was too much drain on the 12V rail.  Or, it could be that this
hack does not work on the Sawtooth.  Any thoughts?
  I'll still try this hack on my G4 Gigabit Ethernet later.  My friend
has 12 of these Sawtooths that we would like to upgrade for a school, so
we decided to try one of those first.  He had been telling me they were
G4 Digital Audios, but they weren't.
 My QS processor was a 733.  I know that would not have been a lot
faster, but this was supposed to be a cheap proof of concept upgrade.
Good day,
Ralph

On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 16:25 -0700, PeterH wrote:

> 2) a matching heatsink,
> 3) a Quicksilver-type fan unit (the DA-type fan unit is not usable), and
> 4a) +12 volts to the "fifth hole" in the QS processor,



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