Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
Howdy, That items is just a zif CPU. This is a noticeably faster CPU than the one in my B&W. Can anyone comment on whether my current heatsink is likely to be good enough? I have the stock 350 MHz G3 at the moment. Good day, Ralph On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 11:08 -0800, Bruce Godfrey wrote: > > Here is a good deal on offer now on the 600MHz G4 from XLR8: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/XLR8-MAChSpeed-G4-ZIF-600-Mhz-Upgrade-for-Power-Mac-G3_W0QQitemZ270502376435QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCPUs?hash=item3efb32b3f3 > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
do you have to have some sorta rom patch?? to allow the B&W G3 to run one of these drop in cpu's? I have this B&W and a Beige g3 that need that extra little pick me up and was thinking of a cpu upgrade, if inexpensive enough and compatible.. thanks Gus On Dec 15, 8:20 pm, dc wrote: > On Dec 15, 12:51 pm, Bruce Godfrey wrote:> So, what is > the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a B&W G3? > Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently saw a > dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid on > it? > > Not necessarily the fastest but one of the most available and reliable > upgrades is a Sonnet 500 MHz G4 ZIF. I've found them for under $50 > used, I have them in a beige G3, B & W G3 and a Yikes G4. They run > 10.4.11 very well, especially when the RAM is maxed out. I also have a > Yikes with an OWC 533 MHz G4 that's been running daily for more than 5 > years, but those are just about impossible to find today. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Roger Kulp wrote: > > > > > > I have upgraded to Leopard on a newer machine,and I noticed the slower speed > right away myself. > >Roger > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Richard Gerome wrote: > > From: Richard Gerome > Subject: Re: Leopard or Tiger? > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:12 AM > > >I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in > the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down. > roup/g3-5-list > What machine did you upgrade? How much RAM do you have? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
Here is one: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4CARDS/XLR8_beigeG4_500MP/BeigeG3_XLR8_G4_500MP.html or http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/xlr8/mach_velocity_g4/mach_velocity_g4_mpe_500_2.html But that isn't the one I saw on E-Bay recently. I think it may have been described incorrectly, as I recall it looking a lot like this one: http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/powerlogix/powerforce_g4_100/powerforce_g4_100_1.2_dual.html Which is only for the AGP series Mac G4's. Here is a good deal on offer now on the 600MHz G4 from XLR8: http://cgi.ebay.com/XLR8-MAChSpeed-G4-ZIF-600-Mhz-Upgrade-for-Power-Mac-G3_W0QQitemZ270502376435QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCPUs?hash=item3efb32b3f3 Broos --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Da'Birdman wrote: From: Da'Birdman Subject: Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade? To: "G-Group" Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 8:21 AM I've had experience with both the Sonnet & the OWC CPU upgrades. They're both excellent - rock solid! I've never heard of a dual G4 400 - 500 in ZIF form before. I pretty certain these were only made for the AGP G4 machines. They're a daughter card rather than a ZIF, so they're not compatible with Beige, B&W, & Yikes. You guys could correct me if I'm wrong. Scott Birdwell DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies Houston TX www.defalcos.com On Dec 15, 8:20 pm, dc wrote: > On Dec 15, 12:51 pm, Bruce Godfrey wrote:> So, what is > the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a B&W G3? > Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently saw a > dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid on > it? > > Not necessarily the fastest but one of the most available and reliable > upgrades is a Sonnet 500 MHz G4 ZIF. I've found them for under $50 > used, I have them in a beige G3, B & W G3 and a Yikes G4. They run > 10.4.11 very well, especially when the RAM is maxed out. I also have a > Yikes with an OWC 533 MHz G4 that's been running daily for more than 5 > years, but those are just about impossible to find today. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
I have upgraded to Leopard on a newer machine,and I noticed the slower speed right away myself. Roger --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Richard Gerome wrote: From: Richard Gerome Subject: Re: Leopard or Tiger? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:12 AM I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down. roup/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Brother Eye wrote:
> After all we've been through, anyone want to hazard a guess as to why
> I can't upgrade to 10.4.1? It states my volume does not me the
> necessary requirements, it has plenty of available space??? Sheeesh!
Here's a bunch of guesses:
1) did you remove the SCSI card and try installing using only one
stick of RAM?
2) Any chance you've got the wrong version of Tiger (the Intel version
rather than PPC).
3) Any chance your HD is partitioned with the wrong partition scheme?
It should be "Apple Partition Scheme" for PPC Macs, rather than "GUID"
used by Intel, or "Master Boot Record" used by PCs. The file format
"HFS+ journaled" is already correct, but it is independent of the
partition scheme, which must be correct to begin with. You can check
the partition scheme in Disk Utility by highlighting the HD and
looking at the bottom.
4) If you're trying to install onto your 25 GB HD ("Who Knows") there
isn't enough free space (only 2.53 GB freespace), you'll need to
install onto the 112 GB HD ("Macintosh HD") instead. Normally, you'll
need at least 4-5 GB freespace for installing Tiger.
5) Your Radeon card has old firmware, version 127, while the current
version should be at least v.135 or 136. You'll need to get the Radeon
August 2005 firmware update program and update this firmware, but I
don't think this would be the reason you can't install Tiger, but
Tiger is picky and does require the latest firmware for all Radeon
cards, so you must upgrade still. Here's a link to download the ATI
Radeon August 2005 ROM Update:
Follow the instructions in the Read Me and after it's done, check the
version in System Profiler. This is important, do this upgrade.
Also, your DVD-RW has older firmware, version SB01 where there is a
newer version SB02 available. You'll need a Windows PC to upgrade the
firmware on the DVD-RW, but this is probably not important if it's
working well for you now. Here's a link to the newer SB02 firmware:
Also, if you have access to a Windows PC, it appears your 25 GB HD
(the Maxtor 52732U6) is an ATA66 HD, but Maxtor was converting to
ATA100 at the time, and there's a good possibility you could change
this HD to ATA100 using an old Maxtor DOS program called "66 to 100".
Again, this isn't causing your problems installing Tiger, but it might
make this old HD work a tiny bit faster. I don't think this is
something you'll want to do, but I can send you the DOS program if you
decide to try.
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Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
After all we've been through, anyone want to hazard a guess as to why I can't upgrade to 10.4.1? It states my volume does not me the necessary requirements, it has plenty of available space??? Sheeesh! On Dec 16, 11:33 am, Bill Connelly wrote: > On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Brother Eye wrote: > > > > > > > Everyone, > > I am happy to report that my PowerMac G4 is now running smoothly at > > 10.4. I think the influx of suggestions helped me get out of my tunnel > > vision view of the problem. I ran the CMD+V command as suggested and > > found both a warning about the SCSI and then a long IO ATA message and > > the machine never progressed from there. So I first started with the > > easiest solution and pulled the SCSI and tried again. The SCSI warning > > was gone of course, but the IO message remained. From there I decided > > to tackle the ATA issue and as Carmonnes and others suggested, I > > removed the smaller OG HDD that was installed and left only the large > > HDD with Tiger installed in place. Once I started back up everything > > ran fine, Tiger booted and loaded and now the system actually runs > > much faster than it did when I was on Panther. At some point I will > > probably add in a larger HDD I have but keep the HDD order the same > > and see if that causes any issues. Thanks again to everyone for your > > input, this is truly what the internet is really all about! > > > Happy Holidays, > > > Ty > > When you add in a second ATA drive, if on the same cable, make sure > you have both drives set properly, "Master" and "Slave", or "Cable > Select" if that is what they function better as. > > Haven't been following all the details of the thread, but perhaps that > was contributing to the original problem? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Brother Eye wrote: > Everyone, > I am happy to report that my PowerMac G4 is now running smoothly at > 10.4. I think the influx of suggestions helped me get out of my tunnel > vision view of the problem. I ran the CMD+V command as suggested and > found both a warning about the SCSI and then a long IO ATA message and > the machine never progressed from there. So I first started with the > easiest solution and pulled the SCSI and tried again. The SCSI warning > was gone of course, but the IO message remained. From there I decided > to tackle the ATA issue and as Carmonnes and others suggested, I > removed the smaller OG HDD that was installed and left only the large > HDD with Tiger installed in place. Once I started back up everything > ran fine, Tiger booted and loaded and now the system actually runs > much faster than it did when I was on Panther. At some point I will > probably add in a larger HDD I have but keep the HDD order the same > and see if that causes any issues. Thanks again to everyone for your > input, this is truly what the internet is really all about! > > Happy Holidays, > > Ty > When you add in a second ATA drive, if on the same cable, make sure you have both drives set properly, "Master" and "Slave", or "Cable Select" if that is what they function better as. Haven't been following all the details of the thread, but perhaps that was contributing to the original problem? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
Oops! I forgot to mention that as far as I know, the fastest G4 ZIF card is a G4 600 mhz processor from Daystar. They're not cheap, but not extravagant either. I've never used one, but was very tempted when I was running Blue & Whites. Scott Birdwell DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies Houston TX www.defalcos.com On Dec 15, 8:20 pm, dc wrote: > On Dec 15, 12:51 pm, Bruce Godfrey wrote:> So, what is > the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a B&W G3? > Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently saw a > dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid on > it? > > Not necessarily the fastest but one of the most available and reliable > upgrades is a Sonnet 500 MHz G4 ZIF. I've found them for under $50 > used, I have them in a beige G3, B & W G3 and a Yikes G4. They run > 10.4.11 very well, especially when the RAM is maxed out. I also have a > Yikes with an OWC 533 MHz G4 that's been running daily for more than 5 > years, but those are just about impossible to find today. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I've had experience with both the Sonnet & the OWC CPU upgrades. They're both excellent - rock solid! I've never heard of a dual G4 400 - 500 in ZIF form before. I pretty certain these were only made for the AGP G4 machines. They're a daughter card rather than a ZIF, so they're not compatible with Beige, B&W, & Yikes. You guys could correct me if I'm wrong. Scott Birdwell DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies Houston TX www.defalcos.com On Dec 15, 8:20 pm, dc wrote: > On Dec 15, 12:51 pm, Bruce Godfrey wrote:> So, what is > the fastest G4 zif upgrade that was made which could be used in a B&W G3? > Seems like a 1GHz G4 zif would be the ultimate solution. I recently saw a > dual 400-500MHz G4 zif go for about $170 on E-Bay. Was a dumb not to bid on > it? > > Not necessarily the fastest but one of the most available and reliable > upgrades is a Sonnet 500 MHz G4 ZIF. I've found them for under $50 > used, I have them in a beige G3, B & W G3 and a Yikes G4. They run > 10.4.11 very well, especially when the RAM is maxed out. I also have a > Yikes with an OWC 533 MHz G4 that's been running daily for more than 5 > years, but those are just about impossible to find today. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
Everyone, I am happy to report that my PowerMac G4 is now running smoothly at 10.4. I think the influx of suggestions helped me get out of my tunnel vision view of the problem. I ran the CMD+V command as suggested and found both a warning about the SCSI and then a long IO ATA message and the machine never progressed from there. So I first started with the easiest solution and pulled the SCSI and tried again. The SCSI warning was gone of course, but the IO message remained. From there I decided to tackle the ATA issue and as Carmonnes and others suggested, I removed the smaller OG HDD that was installed and left only the large HDD with Tiger installed in place. Once I started back up everything ran fine, Tiger booted and loaded and now the system actually runs much faster than it did when I was on Panther. At some point I will probably add in a larger HDD I have but keep the HDD order the same and see if that causes any issues. Thanks again to everyone for your input, this is truly what the internet is really all about! Happy Holidays, Ty On Dec 15, 6:41 pm, Stewie de Young wrote: > John Carmonnes approach is exactly what I do to troubleshoot any Mac. > Remove all variables down to a bare bones system. > Disconnect any PCI cards , hard drives except one for the boot drive, all ram > sticks except for one and any other USB hub etc. > Use an Apple keyboard and boot from the hard drive then see is you have any > problems. > I'd wipe the hard drive and then see about installing Tiger straight onto it. > Then slowly bring back all the things you disconnected to start with and test > your system at each point. > > Stewie > > From: tyrusman...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:48:54 -0500 > Subject: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > I have the above Mac (Power MacG4-AGP) and I have been able to reach 10.3.9 > upgrade with only occasional prohibitory signs on startup, but every > installation of Tiger I have tried gives me the prohibitory on each boot. One > post here led me to think it might be a problem with the Radeon card, I > upgraded the firmware and tried again with no luck. I have followed every tip > or hint from Apple's support forums, clearing NRAM etc. Has anyone here had a > similar issue? I can give more specs if needed, but I wanted to get a sense > of whether anyone had this problem first. > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette > guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > _ > Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out > howhttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/823454/web-im-for-h... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
