Re: Locked drive?

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On May 18, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:



On May 18, 2010, at 11:05 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



I plugged the drive into my MBP Intel and I can write to the drive.


This shouldn't be possible unless you've previously installed the  
NTFS software onto your MBP (or you're running Windows on the MBP).


I never installed anything. And I don't have Windows. I do have  
Snow Leopard and the MBP is an Intel. It just let me write to it..


Humm... it appears that Snow Leopard added the ability to write to  
NTFS without any extra software, but it also appears that this  
feature was not fully implemented and requires a slight system  
modification to enable this "hidden" feature. If you've never  
enabled the hidden NTFS writing feature this would appear to be an  
anomaly.




I never did any thing with NTFS that I'm aware of, I stay away from  
Winbloze like a plague. Maybe just the presence of the drive enabled it?


JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: Locked drive?

[Kris Tilford]

On May 18, 2010, at 11:05 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



I plugged the drive into my MBP Intel and I can write to the drive.


This shouldn't be possible unless you've previously installed the  
NTFS software onto your MBP (or you're running Windows on the MBP).


I never installed anything. And I don't have Windows. I do have Snow  
Leopard and the MBP is an Intel. It just let me write to it..


Humm... it appears that Snow Leopard added the ability to write to  
NTFS without any extra software, but it also appears that this feature  
was not fully implemented and requires a slight system modification to  
enable this "hidden" feature. If you've never enabled the hidden NTFS  
writing feature this would appear to be an anomaly.


It mounts and I can get files off with the PPC G5 but I can't write  
to it.


Yes, you'll definitely need extra software in any OS prior to Snow  
Leopard, which means all PPC Macs.


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Re: Locked drive?

[John Carmonne]

On May 18, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> On May 18, 2010, at 10:37 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> I plugged the drive into my MBP Intel and I can write to the drive.
> 
> This shouldn't be possible unless you've previously installed the NTFS 
> software onto your MBP (or you're running Windows on the MBP).
> 


I never installed anything. And I don't have Windows. I do have Snow Leopard 
and the MBP is an Intel. It just let me write to it..

It mounts and I can get files off with the PPC G5 but I can't write to it.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Locked drive?

[Kris Tilford]

On May 18, 2010, at 10:37 PM, John Carmonne wrote:


I plugged the drive into my MBP Intel and I can write to the drive.


This shouldn't be possible unless you've previously installed the NTFS  
software onto your MBP (or you're running Windows on the MBP).


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Re: Locked drive?

[iJohn]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> There may be one or two other commercial solutions, but the final
> word is that you'll need to install one of these in order to be able to
> write to this NTFS HD.

While not directly related (or useful) in any way, on the side note of
supporting NTFS file operations on a Mac, the latest Seagate external
hard drives also do this.

Apparently Seagate decided that it was easier to have all their drives
come pre-formated as NTFS and just support using NTFS in OS X than to
maintain a separate line of drives which came formatted as HFS+.  I
suppose it does simplify their inventory.

Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Family marketing page
www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/external-hard-drive/

It's interesting (to me) how NTFS has been slowly but surely opened up
by persistent reverse engineering.

-irrational john

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Re: Locked drive?

[John Carmonne]

On May 18, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> On May 18, 2010, at 9:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> It's a Seagate FreeAgent "Master Boot Record""Windows NT Filesystem"  It 
>> probably has some kind of backup
>> software that keeps someone from changing the content. I asume that any 
>> windows drive is FAT32 because when
>> I move iTunes for people with widows I always have to to the media transfer 
>> with a FAT32 device.
> 
> It's NOT FAT32 file system, it's NTFS file system. In order to write to an 
> NTFS filesystem with your Mac, you'll need extra software. AFAIK the best 
> software is "Paragon NTFS 8.0", which is commercial software. The open source 
> project called "NTFS-3G" is a linux project that has a native OS X version 
> available for free. The developer decided this open source was too difficult 
> to support gratis, and created a commercial upgrade called "Tuxera" which 
> also has a native OS X port. Because the commercial version is in 
> "competition" with the free version, finding the correct download link for 
> the free version has recently become very hard since there's a 
> conflict-of-interest whereby the developer wants you to buy the "Tuxera" 
> commercial upgrade version rather than using the free "NTFS-3G" ordinary 
> version. There may be one or two other commercial solutions, but the final 
> word is that you'll need to install one of these in order to be able to write 
> to this NTFS HD.
> 
> Here's a download link for the latest NTFS-3G that works for 10.4-10.6 
> (32-bit):
> 
> 



Thanks for the download. After reading your post It made me think of something 
so I plugged the drive into my MBP Inel and I can write to the drive.
I'll use the download on my work horse G5 PM Dual 2,7.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Locked drive?

[Kris Tilford]

On May 18, 2010, at 9:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

It's a Seagate FreeAgent "Master Boot Record""Windows NT  
Filesystem"  It probably has some kind of backup
software that keeps someone from changing the content. I asume that  
any windows drive is FAT32 because when
I move iTunes for people with widows I always have to to the media  
transfer with a FAT32 device.


It's NOT FAT32 file system, it's NTFS file system. In order to write  
to an NTFS filesystem with your Mac, you'll need extra software. AFAIK  
the best software is "Paragon NTFS 8.0", which is commercial software.  
The open source project called "NTFS-3G" is a linux project that has a  
native OS X version available for free. The developer decided this  
open source was too difficult to support gratis, and created a  
commercial upgrade called "Tuxera" which also has a native OS X port.  
Because the commercial version is in "competition" with the free  
version, finding the correct download link for the free version has  
recently become very hard since there's a conflict-of-interest whereby  
the developer wants you to buy the "Tuxera" commercial upgrade version  
rather than using the free "NTFS-3G" ordinary version. There may be  
one or two other commercial solutions, but the final word is that  
you'll need to install one of these in order to be able to write to  
this NTFS HD.


Here's a download link for the latest NTFS-3G that works for 10.4-10.6  
(32-bit):





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Re: Cube DVDs

[John Carmonne]

On May 18, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Vic wrote:

> On May 18, 6:14 am, John Carmonne  wrote:
>> Hi All
>>  I was recently watching a DVD on a Cube G4 500 MHz 1.5 GB RAM machine, 
>> every so often it would like skip I played it with the internal and a 
>> Pioneer 118 external and the same results. I'm using DVD player on Tiger. My 
>> video card is a ATY Rage6 with 32 VRAM. When the glitch occurs its sound and 
>> video.
>> I have an extra Radeon 7500 card I can install if that make sense. I'm 
>> thinking maybe a 500MHz processor is to blame but if so I'd think the glitch 
>> would be more frequent, Any ideas?
>> 
>> John Carmonne
>> Yorba Linda USA
>> Sent from my MBP
>> 
> John, you're on the right track.  It's the card, not the processor.
> While my Cube has only 450 MHz processor, it plays DVDs perfectly with
> a GeForce 6200 (256 Mb).  I've heard this is the best video card for
> the Cube.


Good to hear that. I'll stick the 7500 card in it and give it another try.

John Carmonne
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Re: Locked drive?

[John Carmonne]

On May 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On May 18, 2010, at 6:41 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> On May 18, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Nestamicky wrote:
>> 
>>> On 18/05/10 7:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
 But since this is a 32FAT I'm afraid to do any thing like that as to maybe 
 make the drive unusable.
>>> Why can't you just simply copy the content elsewhere, and reform that drive.
>>> 
>> Well the drive doesn't belong to me and it's from a PC I have no way or 
>> desire t check to see if it is 
>> OK after I did something like that. This is their only backup drive.
> 
> Are you SURE it's FAT32? Mac read, but cannot write to NTFS volumes without 
> additional software.
> 
> 
It's a Seagate FreeAgent "Master Boot Record""Windows NT Filesystem"  It 
probably has some kind of backup 
software that keeps someone from changing the content. I asume that any windows 
drive is FAT32 because when
I move iTunes for people with widows I always have to to the media transfer 
with a FAT32 device.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Blue and White G4?

[ah...clem]

IIRC, something else to consider is that installing a G4 in the B&W
will reduce the clockspeed of the mobo from 100MHz to 66MHz, and the
processor which gets its clockspeed from the mobo will likewise be
reduced by a factor of 2/3.  so f'rinstance, a 450 G4 pulled from a
yikes would actually run at 300 in a B&W.  my memory is fuzzy on the
details, but if you want to read more about it, look on the powerlogix
website, and check the page for their 1GHz G3 ZIF upgrade.  FWIW, i
have one of those 1gig G3s in a B&W (because i have an old app runs
under OS9 and requires a native ADB port for a dongle) and it screams.

ah...clem

On May 18, 12:24 pm, "John Ruschmeyer"  wrote:
> A minor caveat on installing a G4 in a B&W. Before installing the G4, you
> also have to install a firmware patch which removes the block on G4s. Also,
> based on a bad personal experience, I'd be wary of installing a G4 from a
> Yikes in a Rev. 1 B&W.
>

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Re: Locked drive?

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 18, 2010, at 6:41 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

> On May 18, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Nestamicky wrote:
> 
>> On 18/05/10 7:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>>> But since this is a 32FAT I'm afraid to do any thing like that as to maybe 
>>> make the drive unusable.
>> Why can't you just simply copy the content elsewhere, and reform that drive.
>> 
> Well the drive doesn't belong to me and it's from a PC I have no way or 
> desire t check to see if it is 
> OK after I did something like that. This is their only backup drive.

Are you SURE it's FAT32? Mac read, but cannot write to NTFS volumes without 
additional software.

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Re: Cube DVDs

[Vic]

On May 18, 6:14 am, John Carmonne  wrote:
> Hi All
>  I was recently watching a DVD on a Cube G4 500 MHz 1.5 GB RAM machine, every 
> so often it would like skip I played it with the internal and a Pioneer 118 
> external and the same results. I'm using DVD player on Tiger. My video card 
> is a ATY Rage6 with 32 VRAM. When the glitch occurs its sound and video.
> I have an extra Radeon 7500 card I can install if that make sense. I'm 
> thinking maybe a 500MHz processor is to blame but if so I'd think the glitch 
> would be more frequent, Any ideas?
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> Sent from my MBP
>
John, you're on the right track.  It's the card, not the processor.
While my Cube has only 450 MHz processor, it plays DVDs perfectly with
a GeForce 6200 (256 Mb).  I've heard this is the best video card for
the Cube.
HTH
V Mabus

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Re: Locked drive?

[John Carmonne]

On May 18, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Nestamicky wrote:

> On 18/05/10 7:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>> But since this is a 32FAT I'm afraid to do any thing like that as to maybe 
>> make the drive unusable.
> Why can't you just simply copy the content elsewhere, and reform that drive.
> 
Well the drive doesn't belong to me and it's from a PC I have no way or desire 
t check to see if it is 
OK after I did something like that. This is their only backup drive.
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Locked drive?

[Nestamicky]

On 18/05/10 7:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

But since this is a 32FAT I'm afraid to do any thing like that as to maybe make 
the drive unusable.

Why can't you just simply copy the content elsewhere, and reform that drive.

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Re: Locked drive?

[John Carmonne]

On May 18, 2010, at 5:08 PM, iJohn wrote:

> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:
>> I've made the new library put the drive will not let me
>> write to it. It's a 32Fat I need to put this new library on it.
> 
> How does the write error show up? My understanding is that FAT32 lacks
> any sort of a file access control other than simple-minded attributes
> such as "Read-Only" or "System". So other than having  the directory
> or files marked as read-only ... which you should be able to undo
> simply by flipping the attribute ... I'm not sure how you could not
> have write-access to the drive or file system.


If I drag the file to the  drive it says the drive can't be modified. 
If I get info on the permissions it says read only, I find on option to change 
to read/write.
If it were my drive and a Mac format I guess I'd just do a CCC and initialize 
the drive and then CCC back and ad the new files.
But since this is a 32FAT I'm afraid to do any thing like that as to maybe make 
the drive unusable.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?

[Amanda Ward]

Ah... Excellent! I was kind of looking for such a thing for my iMac G5. It¹s
my media machine and I, too, hate getting up to switch progranms.

@


On 5/18/10 5:28 PM, "Jeffrey Engle"  wrote:

> I got this IR and software, works great with that apple remote you have!!!
> Jeff
> 
> 
> Apple Remote Control Solutions and more - Twisted Melon : Fine Mac OS Software
> 
> 
>  
> On May 18, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Amanda Ward wrote:
> 
>> In my travels to Fry's today, I saw a USB IR adapter. Looked at it and no
>> operating systems were indicated, tho' it said "Connect your PC with IR" or
>> something much to that effect. Dunno... forgot the brand name as I was
>> involved in a minor fender bender in the parking lot. I can go back and look
>> if'n ya want.
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/18/10 1:03 AM, "Godai-kun"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media
>>> center.  Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across
>>> the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth.  What I
>>> would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built-in
>>> IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came
>>> with my MacBook.  Is this possible?  Is it even advisable?   I'd also
>>> be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever device
>>> I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge
>>> multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale.  Anybody know of a device
>>> that's much smaller to do the trick?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your time.
>> 

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Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?

[Jeffrey Engle]

I got this IR and software, works great with that apple remote you  
have!!!  Jeff



Apple Remote Control Solutions and more - Twisted Melon : Fine Mac OS  
Software



On May 18, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Amanda Ward wrote:

In my travels to Fry's today, I saw a USB IR adapter. Looked at it  
and no
operating systems were indicated, tho' it said "Connect your PC with  
IR" or

something much to that effect. Dunno... forgot the brand name as I was
involved in a minor fender bender in the parking lot. I can go back  
and look

if'n ya want.

Amanda


On 5/18/10 1:03 AM, "Godai-kun"  wrote:


I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media
center.  Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across
the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth.  What I
would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built- 
in

IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came
with my MacBook.  Is this possible?  Is it even advisable?   I'd also
be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever  
device

I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge
multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale.  Anybody know of a device
that's much smaller to do the trick?

Thanks for your time.



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Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?

[Amanda Ward]

In my travels to Fry's today, I saw a USB IR adapter. Looked at it and no
operating systems were indicated, tho' it said "Connect your PC with IR" or
something much to that effect. Dunno... forgot the brand name as I was
involved in a minor fender bender in the parking lot. I can go back and look
if'n ya want.

Amanda


On 5/18/10 1:03 AM, "Godai-kun"  wrote:

> I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media
> center.  Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across
> the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth.  What I
> would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built-in
> IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came
> with my MacBook.  Is this possible?  Is it even advisable?   I'd also
> be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever device
> I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge
> multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale.  Anybody know of a device
> that's much smaller to do the trick?
> 
> Thanks for your time.


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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook ! - or not...

[Judith Berkowitz]

I just joined this Facebook group.

I hadn't joined the LEM FB group prior to this because I didn't know
about it.
I just joined as member #652.
(I also joined the other LEM group as member #14. Hey, why not?)

I am also a member of Mac|Life and Macworld.
Any other Mac-related FB pages or groups anyone can recommend?

~~~
FWIW, FB has served me well in many areas.
I have organized my high school class for a big collective 60th
birthday party in St Louis.
(The high school isn't in St Louis; it's in Mattoon IL. I am in San
Francisco CA)
I probably have about a third of my classmates as FB Friends.

Without FB this could not have been accomplished.
Classmates have been located whom none of us has heard from for 42
years. They're tickled to hear from old friends after all this time.
It's been fun for everyone, and all are looking forward to the big
party and schmoozing face-to-face with one another.

~~
Besides that, postings on FB are a source for one-stop info
gathering.
People post articles from journals, and there can be much enriching
discussion around the content.
Upcoming meetings are also gathered into one place, even if you have
not RSVP'd yet.

Yes, there is also crap. But it can be "Hidden," "Blocked,"
"Reported," or otherwise ignored.


On May 18, 2:14 pm, Chance Reecher  wrote:
> Through this entire thread, no one has mentioned the real Low End Mac
> Facebook group or the fact that it's got almost 650 members.
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54734086688&ref=ts

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Re: Locked drive?

[iJohn]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:
> I've made the new library put the drive will not let me
> write to it. It's a 32Fat I need to put this new library on it.

How does the write error show up? My understanding is that FAT32 lacks
any sort of a file access control other than simple-minded attributes
such as "Read-Only" or "System". So other than having  the directory
or files marked as read-only ... which you should be able to undo
simply by flipping the attribute ... I'm not sure how you could not
have write-access to the drive or file system.

-irrational john

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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook ! - or not...

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Chance Reecher  wrote:
>
> Through this entire thread, no one has mentioned the real Low End Mac
Facebook group or the fact that it's got almost 650 members.
>
>

There is the mystery then Chance. I was waiting for this 2 days ago.

What about the group at
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Low-End-Mac/39345170325?ref=ts


Remember me asking about a squatter page ? The other had no icon in the
list. With your link the icon shows.


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Locked drive?

[John Carmonne]

Hi All 
I have a Seagate FreeAgent 500 external drive here that a friend wanted me to 
put a iTunes library on it from an iPod which I extracted the song from.
I've made the new library put the drive will not let me write to it. It's a 
32Fat I need to put this new library on it. Is there a way around this? I can 
read the drive and copy off it. I moved 40 GB of songs off it and combined them 
with the extracted iPod music folder.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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G4 monitor

[Manuel Marques]

Hello there!

Yesterday I got a PowerMac G4 "Digital Audio", along with its
corresponding graphite monitor and two 6400/180s totally free (and
they all work, which is excellent!).

However, the monitor starting doing some loud noises sometime after I
turned it on, and it smelled like something had burned there (it might
be burnt dust, as the car seat where it sat in the way home was a lot
dirty when I got the monitor out! - it seems these machines were kept
in storage for a very long time...). This weekend I might open it and
spray some compressed air into it, and see if the problems go away.

But (if I wouldn't ask a question at all, I'd be just bragging about
my conquests :P) do you think the problem is dust-related? Or is it
something more serious? I don't know much about CRTs, but the image
was clear and bright while the monitor was on!

Also, what are the upgrades you recommend to do in the G4? It is the
733 MHz model, with 256 MB of RAM, 60 GB hard drive and a CD-RW. It
has, I believe, a Geforce2 with 32 MB of VRAM (it has a VGA and ADC
connector - at least I think it is ADC, I've never seen one of those,
and it does not look like a DVI connector!). RAM is an obvious place
to start (it takes PC-133 modules, correct?), however I'd like to add
a USB 2.0 card (are they easily recognized by the Mac OS?) and
probably a newer hard drive.

But all of that won't be done right away, as I still need to figure
out how to open the case... :P

Regards,
Manuel Marques

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battery charging problem on powerbook g4

[Demetrius]

hi there, i could use some help, if anyone has any brilliant ideas...
my  17" (1.67) powerbook isn't charging battery properly, it seems to
keep start and stop charging, as the info at upper right switches from
"not charging battery" to "calculating time to full charge"... i've
only had this cpu a few months, and was using old battery that only
lasted 20 minutes, so mostly was using adapter, but the battery would
charge ok when i depleted it. then last week i got a new 3rd party
battery, did the 'condition' thing: full charge, full drain, repeat
4-5 times, but then yesterday the screen started going very very dark
suddenly and battery did not seem to go past 8% (this is from what i
could tell when i restarted and screen stays bright for a few
minutes.). hooked it up to external screen which works for a minute or
so, then that screen goes black as well. so now using old battery
which has some charge but it's draining, as it tries to chrage then
stops, etc...
any ideas? much appreciated!
~demetrius

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Low End Mac weak on Facebook ! - or not...

[Chance Reecher]

Through this entire thread, no one has mentioned the real Low End Mac 
Facebook group or the fact that it's got almost 650 members.


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54734086688&ref=ts

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM, > wrote:



 Wallace Adrian D'Alessio mailto:fluxstrin...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Or is it that Listers here just are not open to a 4 year old
convenient and fun way of sharing media and other data and messages
with a bigger world ?
===

Facebook is a social networking site. It's where I go to chat with
family and friends. The LEM lists are where I go for information.
Each serves a different purpose. I see no need for a LEM presence
on FB.
__


Of course it is your choice.

Dan Knight has something in mind there though. And a looser Mac 
related meeting place could be fun.



 
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Re: Blue and White G4?

[Mike Linnett]

On 18 May 2010, at 19:08, Peter Haas  wrote:



On May 18, 2010, at 9:24 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:

A minor caveat on installing a G4 in a B&W. Before installing the  
G4, you
also have to install a firmware patch which removes the block on  
G4s. Also,
based on a bad personal experience, I'd be wary of installing a G4  
from a

Yikes in a Rev. 1 B&W.


I updated two of my Rev. 2 B&Ws to G4s (using Yikes! processors and  
the usual firmware block removal application) mainly to be able to  
run a later version of Toast, one which had some more standard  
features than the older one.


I was under-whelmed by the performance of the pseudo-G4, and that  
ultimately lead me to, first, the Gigabit Ethernet G4s (100 MHz  
bus), and, second, to the Digital Audio G4s (133 MHz bus).


Every Digital Audio in my shop was eventually updated to a dual 1.0  
GHz Quicksilver 2002 processor, but I stopped there with the G4s, as  
the Intels proved to be tremendously faster, at least for the video  
work which I do on a day-to-day basis.


I liked the Smurfs, but the Digital Audios proved to be an  
important, and a significant upgrade, and I still use one at least  
18 hours per day (I am writing this on my last in-service DA),  
although most of my video work has been shifted elsewhere.




Yea, I think this project is pretty much dead, I just figured as I had  
the parts...
The smurfs do the job as they are, and I've a couple of dual g4 towers  
for my (not particularly) heavy lifting.
I might just give the sawtooths a clean and refreecycle them or  
something


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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM,  wrote:

>
>  Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:
>
> Or is it that Listers here just are not open to a 4 year old
> convenient and fun way of sharing media and other data and messages
> with a bigger world ?
> ===
>
> Facebook is a social networking site. It's where I go to chat with family
> and friends. The LEM lists are where I go for information. Each serves a
> different purpose. I see no need for a LEM presence on FB.
> __
>

Of course it is your choice.

Dan Knight has something in mind there though. And a looser Mac related
meeting place could be fun.



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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Paul  wrote:

> Previously, at 1:46  am -0700 5/18/10, Ross wrote:
> I'm the originator of THIS post, and I concur with the other
> responders here that you are one arrogant, insulting supercilious
> (snip)
> diet, so I won't be partaking of the Facebook feasting.
>
> As off-topic as this thread is, the whole thing *should* have taken place
> on FB!
>
>
By list rules discussing LEM related business is allowed.  LEM is always on
topic. How would it take place on FB if there were no listers aware of the
LEM presence there?


As to the ability to go off-line, there are at least two ways I can see:
> wall-to-wall and "chat" (located in the lower right-hand corner)
>
> That being said, no one is being forced to use FB and indeed some posts are
> pretty immature, but that, I would suggest, is a function of who you
> "friend".
>
>  Remember, you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you
> can't pick your friend's nose!
>
>
> Also, may I suggest this thread has run its course?
>

I suggested that when I posted with END GAME in the subject line but some
had too much fun with the spin-off.

>
>  Paul
> --
> Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend,
> an acquaintance, or a stranger.
> -- Franklin P. Jones
>
>
While the criticism has been honest much of it has been vitriolic. Something
I tried from the start to avoid.

3 or 4 listers have voted with their criticism. twice as many just joined
the FB group for LEM. My simple questions have an answer.
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Re: Blue and White G4?

[Peter Haas]

On May 18, 2010, at 9:24 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote:

A minor caveat on installing a G4 in a B&W. Before installing the  
G4, you
also have to install a firmware patch which removes the block on  
G4s. Also,
based on a bad personal experience, I'd be wary of installing a G4  
from a

Yikes in a Rev. 1 B&W.


I updated two of my Rev. 2 B&Ws to G4s (using Yikes! processors and  
the usual firmware block removal application) mainly to be able to  
run a later version of Toast, one which had some more standard  
features than the older one.


I was under-whelmed by the performance of the pseudo-G4, and that  
ultimately lead me to, first, the Gigabit Ethernet G4s (100 MHz bus),  
and, second, to the Digital Audio G4s (133 MHz bus).


Every Digital Audio in my shop was eventually updated to a dual 1.0  
GHz Quicksilver 2002 processor, but I stopped there with the G4s, as  
the Intels proved to be tremendously faster, at least for the video  
work which I do on a day-to-day basis.


I liked the Smurfs, but the Digital Audios proved to be an important,  
and a significant upgrade, and I still use one at least 18 hours per  
day (I am writing this on my last in-service DA), although most of my  
video work has been shifted elsewhere.



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Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?

[Ricardo Sevilla]

I use my iPhone to control my Quicksilver from my couch. I have a few  
different apps that allow me to see whats on the screen as well as  
type in text and mouse around.


On May 18, , at 5:09 AM, Mike Linnett wrote:

No idea about the IR I'm afraid, but how about using screen sharing  
(can be enabled on tiger by ticking the "apple remote desktop" box  
in the sharing bit of system prefs, tis built into leopard I  
think), that way you could use the MacBook (or other laptop, or  
iPhone, or anything that'll run VNC) to control the quicksilver?

OR, a Bluetooth USB dongle and find a keyboard/mouse you like?

On 18 May 2010, at 09:03, Godai-kun  wrote:


I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media
center.  Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across
the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth.  What I
would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a  
built-in

IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came
with my MacBook.  Is this possible?  Is it even advisable?   I'd also
be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever  
device

I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge
multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale.  Anybody know of a device
that's much smaller to do the trick?

Thanks for your time.

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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:28 AM, larry moore & shirley allan <
ljmoore.mo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/05/10 12:07 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:36 AM, larry moore&  shirley allan
>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The FB messaging interface is crufty.
>>>
>>>
>> Not sure what krufty means in interface experience. But if you are
>> saying that is lacking I agree. FB can stand improvment.
>>
>>
>>
> And until the interface is 'improved', it will remain inadequate.
>
>  i take it you mean that keeps you off of FB altogether.
>>
>>
>>
> No, as previously mentioned, we have FB accounts.  Periodically, I login to
> them for the minimum time necessary.
> _
>

Fair enough :) Sometine I hope you check out the Low End Mac Wall there

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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[graphicsone]

 Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote: 

Or is it that Listers here just are not open to a 4 year old
convenient and fun way of sharing media and other data and messages
with a bigger world ?
===

Facebook is a social networking site. It's where I go to chat with family and 
friends. The LEM lists are where I go for information. Each serves a different 
purpose. I see no need for a LEM presence on FB.

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RE: Blue and White G4?

[John Ruschmeyer]

A minor caveat on installing a G4 in a B&W. Before installing the G4, you
also have to install a firmware patch which removes the block on G4s. Also,
based on a bad personal experience, I'd be wary of installing a G4 from a
Yikes in a Rev. 1 B&W.

John

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Subject: Re: Blue and White G4?

Nope. Completely different method of mounting the CPU. What might be
possible is to transfer the entire guts of the G4 into the G3 case but
that's about all. If any of those G3's are still working you could
consider going on ebay and picking up a G4 CPU from a Yikes! as those
will swap right in to a G3 motherboard and they're usually pretty
cheap. You hardly see them over $20 anymore and most of the time they
are under $15.


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Re: iBook dilema

[Nikki Wraith]

In this case, the grey disk ismissing something - the device specific  
drivers for the trackpad.


Mikeal Palulis
Kallisti Medias

On May 18, 2010, at 11:51 AM, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:



On May 18, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Nikki Wraith wrote:

The gray disk you you are using does not recognize the trackpad,  
and is looking for a bluetooth mouse.  You will need a retail disk,  
or a gray install disc from a later machine.


Mikeal

There are folks that know how to get past the machine specific grey  
disk stuff. It's a simple file removal. Maybe someone will speak up.


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Re: iBook dilema

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On May 18, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Nikki Wraith wrote:

The gray disk you you are using does not recognize the trackpad,  
and is looking for a bluetooth mouse.  You will need a retail disk,  
or a gray install disc from a later machine.


Mikeal

There are folks that know how to get past the machine specific grey  
disk stuff. It's a simple file removal. Maybe someone will speak up.


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Re: iBook dilema

[Nikki Wraith]

The gray disk you you are using does not recognize the trackpad, and is looking 
for a bluetooth mouse.  You will need a retail disk, or a gray install disc 
from a later machine. 

Mikeal

Sent from my iPad

On May 18, 2010, at 11:17 AM, hosemonkey  wrote:

> I have recently aquired a G4 12" iBook. The 'book had syst 10.4.8 on
> it but I had no passwords etc. so I deceided to re-install the same
> system using the disks that i had and had used on various other
> computers including a 17" Powerbook. All was well until the computer
> restarted to begin the install process. On the screen appeared a
> graphic depicting what looked like a wireless mouse with a diagram
> showing battery installation. The install stopped at that point and
> would go no further. I simply could not figure out how to get past
> this mouse diagram thing. A subsequent install of Syst 10.5 was
> successful, but I need Syst 10.4 in order to use Classic. Must I
> totally erase the drive? Does this mouse thing reside on the 10.4
> install disk or what? Any advise would be welcomed.
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Re: Printer on G4, hp keeps refusing to list

[John Callahan]

Try shutting down printer, disconnecting printer power cord,  
reconnect power cord, start printer and see if it is listed. fwiw  
worked for me.

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iBook dilema

[hosemonkey]

I have recently aquired a G4 12" iBook. The 'book had syst 10.4.8 on
it but I had no passwords etc. so I deceided to re-install the same
system using the disks that i had and had used on various other
computers including a 17" Powerbook. All was well until the computer
restarted to begin the install process. On the screen appeared a
graphic depicting what looked like a wireless mouse with a diagram
showing battery installation. The install stopped at that point and
would go no further. I simply could not figure out how to get past
this mouse diagram thing. A subsequent install of Syst 10.5 was
successful, but I need Syst 10.4 in order to use Classic. Must I
totally erase the drive? Does this mouse thing reside on the 10.4
install disk or what? Any advise would be welcomed.

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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[Paul]

Previously, at 1:46  am -0700 5/18/10, Ross wrote:
I'm the originator of THIS post, and I concur with the other
responders here that you are one arrogant, insulting supercilious
(snip)
diet, so I won't be partaking of the Facebook feasting.

As off-topic as this thread is, the whole thing *should* have taken place on
FB!

As to the ability to go off-line, there are at least two ways I can see:
wall-to-wall and "chat" (located in the lower right-hand corner)

That being said, no one is being forced to use FB and indeed some posts are
pretty immature, but that, I would suggest, is a function of who you
"friend".

 Remember, you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you
can't pick your friend's nose!


Also, may I suggest this thread has run its course?

 Paul
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Re: Blue and White G4?

[PM7500]

Nope. Completely different method of mounting the CPU. What might be
possible is to transfer the entire guts of the G4 into the G3 case but
that's about all. If any of those G3's are still working you could
consider going on ebay and picking up a G4 CPU from a Yikes! as those
will swap right in to a G3 motherboard and they're usually pretty
cheap. You hardly see them over $20 anymore and most of the time they
are under $15.

On May 18, 5:36 am, Mike Linnett  wrote:
> Morning list,
> Quick (I hope) question.
> I have a couple of sawtooth G4's that aren't being used at the minute,  
> and the cases are pretty bashed up and need a really good clean.
> But I also have a couple of smurfs that are in pretty nice condition,  
> one is the wifes office machine and the other is just sat next to the  
> tv sharing it's wifi with the xbox and serving movies to it etc.
> So, the question is, can I pull the processor from a sawtooth and plug  
> it into the smurf?
>
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Cube DVDs

[John Carmonne]

Hi All
 I was recently watching a DVD on a Cube G4 500 MHz 1.5 GB RAM machine, every 
so often it would like skip I played it with the internal and a Pioneer 118 
external and the same results. I'm using DVD player on Tiger. My video card is 
a ATY Rage6 with 32 VRAM. When the glitch occurs its sound and video.
I have an extra Radeon 7500 card I can install if that make sense. I'm thinking 
maybe a 500MHz processor is to blame but if so I'd think the glitch would be 
more frequent, Any ideas?



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?

[Mike Linnett]

No idea about the IR I'm afraid, but how about using screen sharing  
(can be enabled on tiger by ticking the "apple remote desktop" box in  
the sharing bit of system prefs, tis built into leopard I think), that  
way you could use the MacBook (or other laptop, or iPhone, or anything  
that'll run VNC) to control the quicksilver?

OR, a Bluetooth USB dongle and find a keyboard/mouse you like?

On 18 May 2010, at 09:03, Godai-kun  wrote:


I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media
center.  Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across
the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth.  What I
would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built-in
IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came
with my MacBook.  Is this possible?  Is it even advisable?   I'd also
be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever device
I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge
multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale.  Anybody know of a device
that's much smaller to do the trick?

Thanks for your time.

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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[larry moore & shirley allan]

On 18/05/10 12:07 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:36 AM, larry moore&  shirley allan
  wrote:
   

The FB messaging interface is crufty.
 

Not sure what krufty means in interface experience. But if you are
saying that is lacking I agree. FB can stand improvment.

   

And until the interface is 'improved', it will remain inadequate.

i take it you mean that keeps you off of FB altogether.

   

No, as previously mentioned, we have FB accounts.  Periodically, I login to
them for the minimum time necessary.



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Can I add IR to my Quicksilver?

[Godai-kun]

I have a dual-800 Quicksilver which I'm using mostly as a media
center.  Which means I am forever hauling a mouse and keyboard across
the room to change channels, adjust volume, and so forth.  What I
would like to do (since I know the Quicksilver doesn't have a built-in
IR port) is to add one, so that I can use the Apple Remote that came
with my MacBook.  Is this possible?  Is it even advisable?   I'd also
be willing to do this via RF, but would prefer to keep whatever device
I use as small as possible, which leaves out all of the huge
multimedia keyboards I've seen on sale.  Anybody know of a device
that's much smaller to do the trick?

Thanks for your time.

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Re: Ubuntu, G3, XPostFacto

[tjdill]

thers also xubuntu

On May 17, 7:54 am, Charles Lenington  wrote:
> TVirkkala wrote:
> > I bought a G4 iMac at FreeGeek in Portland, a few days ago, and it came
> > with Ubuntu installed. It appears to be the Jaunty Jackalope.
>
> Which G4? You don't specify, The early G4's had cdrom drives instead of
> dvdrom drives.
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Re: Blue and White G4?

[tjdill]

No, the b&w uses a zif, and the g4s use a socket.

On May 18, 5:36 am, Mike Linnett  wrote:
> Morning list,
> Quick (I hope) question.
> I have a couple of sawtooth G4's that aren't being used at the minute,  
> and the cases are pretty bashed up and need a really good clean.
> But I also have a couple of smurfs that are in pretty nice condition,  
> one is the wifes office machine and the other is just sat next to the  
> tv sharing it's wifi with the xbox and serving movies to it etc.
> So, the question is, can I pull the processor from a sawtooth and plug  
> it into the smurf?
>
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Blue and White G4?

[Mike Linnett]

Morning list,
Quick (I hope) question.
I have a couple of sawtooth G4's that aren't being used at the minute,  
and the cases are pretty bashed up and need a really good clean.
But I also have a couple of smurfs that are in pretty nice condition,  
one is the wifes office machine and the other is just sat next to the  
tv sharing it's wifi with the xbox and serving movies to it etc.
So, the question is, can I pull the processor from a sawtooth and plug  
it into the smurf? 


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Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Ross  wrote:
>
>
> Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:24 AM, larry moore & shirley allan
> >  wrote:
> > > On 17/05/10 08:21 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:29 PM,  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 5/17/10, Wallace wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > 
> >  What's up Listers? FoF ? ( fear of Facebook? )
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm on fb and don't see how this would serve me in any way that the list
> > >>> doesn't already. What I'm not interested in is seeing more crap on my
> > >>> wall.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I get tired of a hundred Farmville help requests a day too. I just use
> > >> the easy  " hide " button. But I make sure I hit my friend's who are
> > >> hidden as often as possible. Once a week being minimum. you would not
> > >> wnat to be ignored for more than a week and still calll someone a
> > >> friend would you? Others who post media or meaningful content I leave
> > >> up all the time.
> > >>
> > >> This is a beauty of having a wall. It is like your personal party room
> > >> where you can select those you converse with yet you go around the
> > >> room and make all of your friends at home. Not to say you want all
> > >> Listers here as direct contacts but as a group you can share interests
> > >> on a LEM FB Wall. .
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> I suspect that's the way most listers feel. Fewer and fewer new users
> > >>> select
> > >>> ancient Macs as their first computer. That era has past. Those who get
> > >>> old
> > >>> Macs have the moxie to find LEM by themselves.
> > >>>
> > >>> Remember Mac EvangeList?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> No, barely heard of it. It's gone, too. Sorry, Wallace, "The times, they
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> are a changin'." Don't get "Left Behind."
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Who is left behind? Those who accept and use a modern venue like FB ?
> > >> I don't get your drift. And as much as I respect Dylan ( Joni
> > >> Mitchells advanced thinking cured me of that adoration I had) adapt or
> > >> die is my motto.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you are on Fb are you really technophobic ? Maybe time to change the
> > >> moniker.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I can't see FB being a big part of our computer usage  until it adds the
> > >  hooks to allow
> > > off-line message composition/submission.
> > > In the time 1 sign on to the FB account and suffer the FB messaging
> > > interface,
> > > I could reply to a number of messages off-line, or  do some more enjoyable
> > > activity.
> > > I look at the opportunity cost and it isn't time-effective.
> > >
> > > Yes, both my lady and I have FB accounts but we would prefer using our
> > > limited non-active recreation time other than struggling with inefficient
> > > software.
> > ___
> >
> > I myself have often been guilty of joining a thread without fully
> > reading it so how can I complain, right !
> >
> > But the questions asked here are;
> >
> > A.  Is the Facebook Wall in the name of Low End mac legit or not. (
> > i.e.- an actual LEM effort)
> >
> >
> > B. Why are Low End mac listers NOT SUPPORTING IT  ( or taking it by storm)?
> >
> >
> > All else is dross. As the OP I deem it so!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer
> >
> >    fluxstrin...@gmail.com
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/
> >    http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer
> >    http://www.linkedin.com    /in/fluxstreamcommunications
> >    http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/
> >    http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/
> >    http://twitter.com/FluxStringer
> >
> > --
>
> I'm the originator of THIS post,

This post appears under a thread subject line that came from me. You
DID NOT originate the thread. If you want to dispute my point of view
or change the focus of the thread that is called thread highjacking or
" threadjacking " and violates what is an LEM expectation of conduct.
>
> and I concur with the other
> responders here that you are one arrogant, insulting supercilious
> jerk! I'm with Bruce and Dan on this one; i.e., fuck facebook, and the
> horse's ass it rode in here on. Facebook is unsuitable for this forum,
> and I for one do not wish to waste my time checking into Facebook in
> order to associate with dolts who spend their time proclaiming how
> personally fantastic they are for being so "hip", and all, just
> because they are willing to forfeit a little more of their privacy in
> the pursuit of a narcissistic circle jerk. I'm on a "fatuous free"
> diet, so I won't be partaking of the Facebook feasting.
>
> FYI, looked up flux at dictionary.com, and it's original meaning is
> indeed appropriate:
>
> "flux-
> late 14c., from O.Fr. flux, from L. fluxus, pp. of fluere "to
> flow" (see fluent). Originally "excessive flow" (of blood or
> excrement); an early name for "dysentery;"... "
>


And trollery no mater how cleverly inventive has no place here.

Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !

[Ross]

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:24 AM, larry moore & shirley allan
>  wrote:
> > On 17/05/10 08:21 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:29 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/17/10, Wallace wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  What's up Listers? FoF ? ( fear of Facebook? )
> 
> >>>
> >>> I'm on fb and don't see how this would serve me in any way that the list
> >>> doesn't already. What I'm not interested in is seeing more crap on my
> >>> wall.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I get tired of a hundred Farmville help requests a day too. I just use
> >> the easy  " hide " button. But I make sure I hit my friend's who are
> >> hidden as often as possible. Once a week being minimum. you would not
> >> wnat to be ignored for more than a week and still calll someone a
> >> friend would you? Others who post media or meaningful content I leave
> >> up all the time.
> >>
> >> This is a beauty of having a wall. It is like your personal party room
> >> where you can select those you converse with yet you go around the
> >> room and make all of your friends at home. Not to say you want all
> >> Listers here as direct contacts but as a group you can share interests
> >> on a LEM FB Wall. .
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that's the way most listers feel. Fewer and fewer new users
> >>> select
> >>> ancient Macs as their first computer. That era has past. Those who get
> >>> old
> >>> Macs have the moxie to find LEM by themselves.
> >>>
> >>> Remember Mac EvangeList?
> >>>
> >>
> >> No, barely heard of it. It's gone, too. Sorry, Wallace, "The times, they
> >>
> >>>
> >>> are a changin'." Don't get "Left Behind."
> >>>
> >>
> >> Who is left behind? Those who accept and use a modern venue like FB ?
> >> I don't get your drift. And as much as I respect Dylan ( Joni
> >> Mitchells advanced thinking cured me of that adoration I had) adapt or
> >> die is my motto.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are on Fb are you really technophobic ? Maybe time to change the
> >> moniker.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I can't see FB being a big part of our computer usage  until it adds the
> >  hooks to allow
> > off-line message composition/submission.
> > In the time 1 sign on to the FB account and suffer the FB messaging
> > interface,
> > I could reply to a number of messages off-line, or  do some more enjoyable
> > activity.
> > I look at the opportunity cost and it isn't time-effective.
> >
> > Yes, both my lady and I have FB accounts but we would prefer using our
> > limited non-active recreation time other than struggling with inefficient
> > software.
> ___
>
> I myself have often been guilty of joining a thread without fully
> reading it so how can I complain, right !
>
> But the questions asked here are;
>
> A.  Is the Facebook Wall in the name of Low End mac legit or not. (
> i.e.- an actual LEM effort)
>
>
> B. Why are Low End mac listers NOT SUPPORTING IT  ( or taking it by storm)?
>
>
> All else is dross. As the OP I deem it so!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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I'm the originator of THIS post, and I concur with the other
responders here that you are one arrogant, insulting supercilious
jerk! I'm with Bruce and Dan on this one; i.e., fuck facebook, and the
horse's ass it rode in here on. Facebook is unsuitable for this forum,
and I for one do not wish to waste my time checking into Facebook in
order to associate with dolts who spend their time proclaiming how
personally fantastic they are for being so "hip", and all, just
because they are willing to forfeit a little more of their privacy in
the pursuit of a narcissistic circle jerk. I'm on a "fatuous free"
diet, so I won't be partaking of the Facebook feasting.

FYI, looked up flux at dictionary.com, and it's original meaning is
indeed appropriate:

"flux-
late 14c., from O.Fr. flux, from L. fluxus, pp. of fluere "to
flow" (see fluent). Originally "excessive flow" (of blood or
excrement); an early name for "dysentery;"... "

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