Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread John Carmonne
I recently got a Mac Mini PPC 1.25 with a 4200 RPM  ATA 40 GB HDD. Is there an 
advantage to putting in a 7200 RPM ATA HDD? I know they're a little scarce but 
if it increases performance it's worth a try.


John Carmonne
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Re: Is LogMeIn the answer?

2011-01-22 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/01/21 20:02, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On Jan 21, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2011/01/21 09:50, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On the 'inside the house' side of the network you have a private,
non-routing IP address range, your own LAN. Typically they're either
192.168.n.n or 10.n.n.n I've seen both in use by various brands of
wired and wireless routers.

You CANNOT access an address in these ranges from outside that
address range; they're defined as 'non-routable' Routers reject any
request to connect to those addresses.


What? I can't speak from experience but isn't that exactly what port
forwarding is for?


Yes, aka NAT,  what the rest of my post described , poorly,I guess.


Not at all, it's just my density. ;-)

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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:28 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I recently got a Mac Mini PPC 1.25 with a 4200 RPM  ATA 40 GB HDD.  
Is there an advantage to putting in a 7200 RPM ATA HDD? I know  
they're a little scarce but if it increases performance it's worth a  
try.




yes, in my experience with laptops, going from 4200 to 7200 is a  
sizeable boost in performance.

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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Bill & Bunny Kuhlman

John,

The 7200 RPM drives have faster seek times. There may also be a 
higher Bus speed and a larger buffer, making data access, transfer 
and use by software more rapid.


So far as price, cyberguys.com has Western Digital IDE/ATA drives in 
3.5" diameter. These have the 7200 RPM speed you're looking for and 
come in 160GB ($53), 250GB ($65) and 500GB ($85) capacities.


Hope that helps!


I recently got a Mac Mini PPC 1.25 with a 4200 RPM  ATA 40 GB HDD. 
Is there an advantage to putting in a 7200 RPM ATA HDD? I know 
they're a little scarce but if it increases performance it's worth a 
try.



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP


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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread peterhaas

> The 7200 RPM drives have faster seek times. There may also be a
> higher Bus speed and a larger buffer, making data access, transfer
> and use by software more rapid.
>
> So far as price, cyberguys.com has Western Digital IDE/ATA drives in
> 3.5" diameter. These have the 7200 RPM speed you're looking for and
> come in 160GB ($53), 250GB ($65) and 500GB ($85) capacities.
>
> Hope that helps!

There are not a lot of options in the 2.5" IDE form factor, which is what
the early Minis require.

As there are so few offerings still available in 2.5" IDE drives, you get
what you can find.

OWC probably has the widest offerings.



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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread JoeTaxpayer
For 2.5" why no use a SSD?

On Jan 22, 1:21 pm, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
> > The 7200 RPM drives have faster seek times. There may also be a
> > higher Bus speed and a larger buffer, making data access, transfer
> > and use by software more rapid.
>
> > So far as price, cyberguys.com has Western Digital IDE/ATA drives in
> > 3.5" diameter. These have the 7200 RPM speed you're looking for and
> > come in 160GB ($53), 250GB ($65) and 500GB ($85) capacities.
>
> > Hope that helps!
>
> There are not a lot of options in the 2.5" IDE form factor, which is what
> the early Minis require.
>
> As there are so few offerings still available in 2.5" IDE drives, you get
> what you can find.
>
> OWC probably has the widest offerings.

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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Alex Barnes
Cost?

> For 2.5" why no use a SSD?

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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Baldassare Guzzo
My experience with PowerBooks was that going fron 4200 to 7200 had a noticeable 
increase in speed and a noticeable decrease in battery life.  I think on a Mini 
you would like the results. 

On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:28 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:

> I recently got a Mac Mini PPC 1.25 with a 4200 RPM  ATA 40 GB HDD. Is there 
> an advantage to putting in a 7200 RPM ATA HDD? I know they're a little scarce 
> but if it increases performance it's worth a try.
> 
> 
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda CA
> 92886 USA
> Sent from my MBP
> 
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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/01/22 09:28, John Carmonne so eloquently wrote:

I recently got a Mac Mini PPC 1.25 with a 4200 RPM  ATA 40 GB HDD. Is
there an advantage to putting in a 7200 RPM ATA HDD? I know they're a
little scarce but if it increases performance it's worth a try.


My only concern would be heat. I don't know how good the Mini's cooling 
system is designed and how hard you are going to be running it so it's 
hard to say if it will be an issue or not.


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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Bill & Bunny Kuhlman
Cyberguys also has 2.5" drives, but all of the drives in this size, 
IDE/ATA and SATA, are 5400 RPM. The 2.5"IDE/ATA drives are Western 
Digital and come in 80GB ($57), 160GB ($72) and 250GB ($88) 
capacities.


Because of the smaller diameter, it seems as though 5400 RPM on a 
2.5" drive would be roughly equivalent to a 3.5" drive rotating at 
7200 RPM. Bus speed and buffer size are the same for both diameters.




 > The 7200 RPM drives have faster seek times. There may also be a

 higher Bus speed and a larger buffer, making data access, transfer
 and use by software more rapid.

 So far as price, cyberguys.com has Western Digital IDE/ATA drives in
 3.5" diameter. These have the 7200 RPM speed you're looking for and
 come in 160GB ($53), 250GB ($65) and 500GB ($85) capacities.

 Hope that helps!


There are not a lot of options in the 2.5" IDE form factor, which is what
the early Minis require.

As there are so few offerings still available in 2.5" IDE drives, you get
what you can find.

OWC probably has the widest offerings.



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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:

> For 2.5" why no use a SSD?


Because ATA SSD's are small, and insanely expensive, and lightness isn't the 
prime requirement of a Mini.

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Re: Sawtooth with ubuntu?

2011-01-22 Thread Dale Hoffman


On Jan 19, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Dale Hoffman wrote:



On Jan 19, 2011, at 3:21 PM, skinnie wrote:


Hi guys,anyone here tried having ubuntu on a G4 450MHz sawtooth?
Does it run flash well?



I haven't installed Ubuntu on my Sawtooth yet. I have a G4 with two  
drives, one waiting for Ubuntu.

What version did you install and where did you download it?
Any pointers, warnings, helpful online resources?


I just updated the Ubuntu install on my G4 to 10.04.1.



I just installed Ubuntu 10.10  on my G4 and want to pass along a tip  
in case anyone tries to type in a username during the install process  
that contains a capital letter - don't use capital letters. The  
install will not proceed.


Anyone else contemplating throwing Ubuntu at one of their G3/G4s - do  
it!

Add a second drive dedicated to Ubuntu.
As a Mac user you'll feel right at home - it is very mac-like. I can't  
wait to begin installing all of the free software out there.


Regarding Flash, I read on the screen during installation that Flash  
is supported. Firefox is the browser. Just make sure to check a couple  
of boxes that allow downloading updates during installation, and say  
"Yes" to any extras offered during installation.


Thanks for getting me off my duff!
Dale

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Re: Is LogMeIn the answer?

2011-01-22 Thread Ashgrove
On Jan 21, 11:50 am, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> Both new macs will let you use Screen Sharing to connect to his computer; 
> he'll have to install a vnc server VINE server is free and easy.

Bruce,

Are you talking about accessing his computer from outside her network?
Because I can access my Macs running Tiger from any other Mac running
Leopard or Snow Leopard just with Screen Sharing --no need of
additional software.

Best,

Felix

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Re: GeForce Ti Question

2011-01-22 Thread Richard Ramsowr

Part 2 get the meat of upgrading
see:
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D37942BEE.html

Rick
Houston

On Jan 21, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote:


Dana,

Try this for some interesting  reading.   It doesnt say everything,  
but maybe it will get you closer.  Read pages 1 and 2.


http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/8923D90A-7AD8-41F1-BD1A-FEA5E1780B95.html

Also, Make sure the fan is running.  If the fan is not good on the  
card, I've READ that it can have an effect.  There was some Apple  
support pages too but I cant find them.






On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Dana Collins wrote:


On 1/21/11 6:03 AM, "Barney Guzzo"  wrote:


Dana,
What monitor do you have?  I just read some interesting info.

On Jan 21, 2011 2:12 AM, "Wayne Stewart"   
wrote:
> I wouldn't count on that EEE number, I have 11 G4 towers and  
none of
> the video cards has an EEE anywhere in the serial number. Two of  
them
> I bought brand new and I know they still have the original video  
card.

> Most likely the rest do too but of course I can't guarantee that.


Hi Barney,
I was using a simple Viewsonic 17” flat panel, AGP connected.
-Dana

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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread John Carmonne

On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Alex Barnes wrote:

> Cost?
> 
>> For 2.5" why no use a SSD?
> 
Way too much money for too few GB's at this time. The SDD's need to get real in 
pricing. It'll come just like the HHD's got bigger and way cheaper.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Jason Brown
That particular Mini uses PATA interface instead of SATA. Finding an SSD 
in PATA could be problematic.


On 1/22/2011 1:22 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:

For 2.5" why no use a SSD?

On Jan 22, 1:21 pm, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:

The 7200 RPM drives have faster seek times. There may also be a
higher Bus speed and a larger buffer, making data access, transfer
and use by software more rapid.
So far as price, cyberguys.com has Western Digital IDE/ATA drives in
3.5" diameter. These have the 7200 RPM speed you're looking for and
come in 160GB ($53), 250GB ($65) and 500GB ($85) capacities.
Hope that helps!

There are not a lot of options in the 2.5" IDE form factor, which is what
the early Minis require.

As there are so few offerings still available in 2.5" IDE drives, you get
what you can find.

OWC probably has the widest offerings.


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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread John Carmonne

On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:
> 
>> For 2.5" why no use a SSD?
> 
> 
> Because ATA SSD's are small, and insanely expensive, and lightness isn't the 
> prime requirement of a Mini.
> 
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> 
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If I use an external 3.5 7200 RPM via Firewire 400 will I gain speed over the 
internal HDD 4200 RPM in my Mac Mini?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Alex Barnes
I think OWC makes a SSD with a PATA interface.
> That particular Mini uses PATA interface instead of SATA. Finding an SSD in 
> PATA could be problematic.

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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread Jeffrey & Daile Engle
Is ther IDE 2.5 SSD's? or for that matter is ther IDE SSD's period? Jeff
On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Alex Barnes wrote:

> Cost?
> 
>> For 2.5" why no use a SSD?
> 
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Re: GeForce Ti Question

2011-01-22 Thread Dana Collins
On 1/21/11 2:37 PM, Baldassare Guzzo of guz...@gmail.com sent

> Dana,
> 
> Try this for some interesting  reading.   It doesnt say everything, but maybe
> it will get you closer.  Read pages 1 and 2.
> 
> http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/8923D90A-7AD8-41F1-BD1A-FEA5E
> 1780B95.html
> 
> Also, Make sure the fan is running.  If the fan is not good on the card, I've
> READ that it can have an effect.  There was some Apple support pages too but I
> cant find them.

> 
> On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Dana Collins wrote:
> 
>>  On 1/21/11 6:03 AM, "Barney Guzzo"  wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>> Dana,
>>>  What monitor do you have?  I just read some interesting info.
>>>  
>>>  On Jan 21, 2011 2:12 AM, "Wayne Stewart"  wrote:
 I wouldn't count on that EEE number, I have 11 G4 towers and none of
 the video cards has an EEE anywhere in the serial number. Two of them
 I bought brand new and I know they still have the original video card.
 Most likely the rest do too but of course I can't guarantee that.
>>>  
>> 
>>  Hi Barney,
>>  I was using a simple Viewsonic 17² flat panel, AGP connected.
>>  -Dana  
>> 

Hello Barney,
Good reading, thank you for the link. Basically, I have returned the card to
its original unit running Tiger, and used a different ATI card for my
friend's newer unit. The ATI is, I think, a 7500, admittedly less robust,
BUT, if it works, then IT is more robust!


"Baldassare (Barney - here in America)"

Barney's easier, but Baldassare is morecosmopolitan! :-)

Thank you for your continued input, and likewise to all the other
contributors.
Regards,
Dana


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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread John Carmonne

On Jan 22, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Jason Brown wrote:

> That particular Mini uses PATA interface instead of SATA. Finding an SSD in 
> PATA could be problematic.
> 
Newegg has a large selection of them including large accompanying prices. 

 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=18120%20600038505&IsNodeId=1&name=PATA

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread peterhaas

> Cyberguys also has 2.5" drives, but all of the drives in this size,
> IDE/ATA and SATA, are 5400 RPM. The 2.5"IDE/ATA drives are Western
> Digital and come in 80GB ($57), 160GB ($72) and 250GB ($88)
> capacities.

Micro Center stocks WD ATAs in up to and including 320 GB.

Micro Center's price on 320s is about $100 ... their price on 160s is
about $65.

Still, not a lot of options for internal storage on early Minis.

A place named iFixIt stocks a drive cage and adapter which replaces the
ATA CD or DVD drive with a second hard drive. Doesn't come with any of the
required mounting screws, however.

Still, you are limited to 320 GB as the adapter is ATA-to-ATA.

If using Firewire, there are options available up to 2000 GB.



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Re: Mac Mini HDD speed

2011-01-22 Thread peterhaas

> A place named iFixIt stocks a drive cage and adapter which replaces the
> ATA CD or DVD drive with a second hard drive. Doesn't come with any of the
> required mounting screws, however.

There are a number of folks on ePrey (sic) which are selling a similar
product, but is SATA-to-SATA, for later Minis and others which use 12.7mm
(1/2") "slim" optical drives.

Those folks, who ship from Hong Kong, include screws!




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Re: Sawtooth with ubuntu?

2011-01-22 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/01/22 13:42, Dale Hoffman so eloquently wrote:

Regarding Flash, I read on the screen during installation that Flash is
supported. Firefox is the browser. Just make sure to check a couple of
boxes that allow downloading updates during installation, and say "Yes"
to any extras offered during installation.


I believe that is inaccurate, please let us know once you are up and 
running.


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Re: Sawtooth with ubuntu?

2011-01-22 Thread Dale Hoffman


On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2011/01/22 13:42, Dale Hoffman so eloquently wrote:
Regarding Flash, I read on the screen during installation that  
Flash is
supported. Firefox is the browser. Just make sure to check a couple  
of
boxes that allow downloading updates during installation, and say  
"Yes"

to any extras offered during installation.


I believe that is inaccurate, please let us know once you are up and  
running.


Tina

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Here is a screen image of the installation panel where Flash is  
mentioned. It appears 2-3 panels into the install process:


http://www.margnat.com/tech/Ubuntu/UbuntuInstallFlash.jpg

Quote: "Ubuntu uses third-party software to display Flash, MP3 and  
other media, and to work with some wireless hardware. Some of this  
software is closed-source."


I'm not yet up and running. Although the installation completed  
successfully I am not able to boot into Ubuntu due to an "Input/output  
error". I've posted a query on UbuntuForums.org . Here is a link if  
anyone is interested in following:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1673794

(Note to list keepers, I don't want to turn this into a non-conforming  
thread outside the general interests of g3-5 subscribers.)


Dale

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