Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
On Feb 19, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: There is no joy to be had from this GeForce 5200 FX graphics card. The 5200 is usually a pretty good card, it supports both Quartz Extreme Core Image. Have you checked the firmware revision in System Profiler against other versions available at the MacElite ROM repository?: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads These cards are usually solid, perhaps a new ROM version will solve your problems? If not, you need to ditch the Rage and get another AGP card that supports Quartz Extreme Core Image. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD ATX mods
Newegg too. The thing is that I really wouldn't dump TOO much cash into G4s, but if the kit's $30 and I owned G4s that needed them, I'd probably buy them. Good luck! Illirik Smirnov Messages are mostly sent GPG signed! Learn more about it by googling GPG. The ugly text is used to make sure it comes from me! My public key is in the MIT database under Illirik Smirnov. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote: You can actually get cheap power supplies from CompUSA. I got an Ultra 500 watt supply for a gaming PC (sorry I'm not paying $1200 for an iMac with an old GPU) and it has lasted 1 year and it is still going good. On Feb 19, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Brielle wrote: Hello All, I'm actually a member of the LEM list, but I figured this would be a more appropriate place to post on given its about the G4 series. I've been working on my skills with soldering, rewiring, etc and have made really good progress with retrofitting the G4 MDD macs with ATX power supplies. I know that there was someone who was making adapter kits a while back, but he stopped doing it for one reason or another. So, my question is, if I started offering a kit/adapter for the MDD and other mac models, would anyone be interested? Its fairly trivial for me to do, and I could do something where if you sent me the wire loom from your dead power supply and let me know length, amount of hard drive power cables, etc, I'd be willing to build custom kits on request. If I could find a source for the proper molex connectors to plug into the G4 mobo, it would be even easier to build the kits. In the end, it would probably be 20-40 bucks total per kit, versus 100+ for a new power supply. I'm a big fan of the classic mac and power mac series, so bringing these machines back to life is a hobby of mine, and it just doesn't seem right not to offer my skills to help the mac community as a whole. Brielle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
Hey guys. I'm one of the folks who recently had problems with the g5 1.8 tower being flakey as far as the monitor not turning on goes. Turns out that yes, indeed, it was the pram battery that was dead. So I picked up a router antenna from amazons site:(http:// www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035H4164) and installed the driver. I opened the network preferences window and clicked on the ethernet as the network to use. Now it gives me the flip down window that tells me the the network applications have changed. I click on the ok button, the window flips up, and then flips down again. Click ok, and it flips up, then down again. Is there some magic keystroke that I'm missing to make this dialop box go away? sorry. using 10.4.11, router base is a d-link dir615 router. It wasn't connected to the internet at the time. Hopefully my description of the problem isn't too vague. Let me know if I can be more specific. Thanks. Jason -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
On 20/02/2011 12:52PM, jason yoinkma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys. I'm one of the folks who recently had problems with the g5 1.8 tower being flakey as far as the monitor not turning on goes. Turns out that yes, indeed, it was the pram battery that was dead. So I picked up a router antenna from amazons site:(http:// www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035H4164) and installed the driver. I opened the network preferences window and clicked on the ethernet as the network to use. Now it gives me the flip down window that tells me the the network applications have changed. I click on the ok button, the window flips up, and then flips down again. Click ok, and it flips up, then down again. Is there some magic keystroke that I'm missing to make this dialop box go away? Go to System Preferences Security and enable the option Require password to unlock each secure system preference. Then it will go away forever! Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Shut down problem Internal hard not mounting
The iMac will boot SeaTools but the keyboard and mouse, even the wired ones, will not work and I can't get past the splash screen. I have viable backups of the files so I just trashed the disk, after removing the magnets. I replaced it with a WD 200 GB drive that I had laying around, and I ordered a 2 TB Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex with the FW800 adapter. I hated to loose the 500 GB drive. I am currently living in Greece and I cannot find a 500 GB IDE drive here, they are mostly offering smaller IDE drives. U.S. retailers cannot ship drives to Greece and I can't find a UK retailer that will ship a drive to Greece. I was just back in the U.S. for the holidays but I didn't bring my crystal ball with me ;-) You wife's Intel iMac may be able to boot the Maxtor drive utility CD? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
Great- I'll try that after work to night. Thanks and stay warm. Jason On Feb 20, 7:18 am, Andy andy.the...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/2011 12:52PM, jason yoinkma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey guys. I'm one of the folks who recently had problems with the g5 1.8 tower being flakey as far as the monitor not turning on goes. Turns out that yes, indeed, it was the pram battery that was dead. So I picked up a router antenna from amazons site:(http:// www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035H4164) and installed the driver. I opened the network preferences window and clicked on the ethernet as the network to use. Now it gives me the flip down window that tells me the the network applications have changed. I click on the ok button, the window flips up, and then flips down again. Click ok, and it flips up, then down again. Is there some magic keystroke that I'm missing to make this dialop box go away? Go to System Preferences Security and enable the option Require password to unlock each secure system preference. Then it will go away forever! Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
On Feb 19, 2:36 pm, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: If you are willing to spend $286, look here for a used Mac mini G4/1.25GHz for $199.99, plus shipping, but no disks included. The e-mail bulletin said 10.5 Leopard is pre-installed. Oh, oh, forgot the link: http://www.smalldog.com/product/77343 OK, but ... When I followed your link the price I saw at Small Dog was $299.99, not $199.99. I see, sorry. There is another link that shows up from their e-mail bulletin for the discount price, maybe only for former customers: http://www.smalldog.com/wag20569/at_dr I do not know how I landed on this variant - product/77343 instead of the discount page wag20569/at_dr. Expires in two days. And I agree with what Dan said, the Leopard seems pirated. I've seen other third party vendors do that with used Macs. Is there some back door deal with Apple for a license?? SmallDog is Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: My g5 is a snob
Tried the above methods to no avail, so I sent them back to the vendor friday. Thanks! On Feb 12, 10:37 am, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote: yep my dual 1.8 was extremely picky and had to reset cuda before recognition. (also had to exchange what was first shipped since it was not the correct mem) On Feb 12, 2011, at 1:55 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: My G5 which is a dual 2.3 using PC3200 is VERY picky about how the RAM is seated. I reseated my sticks something like 26 times before I got all 8 slots recognized and working simultaneously. Once they all were recognized, I've never had another problem. I think it helps if you press the CUDA button before booting after each time you add or change RAM. I think your 1 GB sticks are probably good. I'd try with ONLY the pair of 1 GB sticks over over again until they're recognized, and then add back the pair of 512MB that seem to work better. On Feb 11, 2011, at 11:49 PM, jason wrote: Hey all. Today got some additional memory for the above system but the g5 1.8 ghz tower(pci-x) refuses to recognize them. I currently have two 512 sticks that work fine, but the two new 1 gb sticks don't show. The packing slip identifies them as PC3200 1gb DDR SDRAM 400mhz 184 pin memory, and the the stick labels both read 1 gb PC-3200 UDIMM 1RX4. I did move the sticks in question around to the different matching slots, but the computer ignores them. I moved the two 512 sticks around as well, and they were recognized in each of the slots. What gives? I thought I was careful in selecting the right ram.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
On Feb 20, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Andy wrote: Hey guys. I'm one of the folks who recently had problems with the g5 1.8 tower being flakey as far as the monitor not turning on goes. Turns out that yes, indeed, it was the pram battery that was dead. So I picked up a router antenna from amazons site:(http:// www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035H4164) and installed the driver. I opened the network preferences window and clicked on the ethernet as the network to use. Now it gives me the flip down window that tells me the the network applications have changed. I click on the ok button, the window flips up, and then flips down again. Click ok, and it flips up, then down again. Is there some magic keystroke that I'm missing to make this dialop box go away? Go to System Preferences Security and enable the option Require password to unlock each secure system preference. Then it will go away forever! I don't know if this will get rid of your dialog box or not, I suspect not perhaps. I know that the box in Security called Require password to unlock each System Preferences pane is not check by default in OS X, and will be a hassle because now you'll be required to type your ~user admin password just to open any System Preferences pane such as Network. Once open, I don't see how this will affect this dialog box, they seem to be two completely separate things to me? Further, your statement I picked up a router antenna from amazons site:http:/.www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0035H4164 and installed the driver isn't accurate. Normally you'd use the built-in Airport wireless connection, and this isn't an antenna for Airport, this is a USB wireless adapter with antenna, a completely different thing than an antenna alone. After installing the software and rebooting, when you open System PreferencesNetwork it should automatically recognize a new port and it will have a name, most likely something like USB Ethernet (en1). The already existing port called Ethernet should be your built-in wired ethernet port on the G5. When you install this new port, you'll no longer be connecting via Apple's Airport. This USB adapter you've bought is called an ALFA Network AWUS036NEH and uses the Ralink RT3070 chipset. In order for a 3rd-party wireless adapter to be recognized in OS X System Preferences as Airport the adapter must use one of the two standard Apple wireless chipsets, either Broadcom or Atheros. This Ralink chipset can work in OS X, but it will be using a Ralink application called USBWirelessUtility to setup and control the wireless connection in addition to the new System PreferencesNetwork USB Ethernet (en1) port, rather than doing it through the Apple Airport software. While purchasing a USB wireless adapter is certainly one way to upgrade your wireless connection from 802.11g to 802.11n, it's probably better to stick with products that use either Broadcom or Atheros chipsets so that they can use the normal Airport software to connect with. I'm not familiar with the exact hardware in the iMac G5 Airport setup, but there's a chance you could have found an 802.11n item that would be a drop-in replacement for your 802.11g card or module. Next time, get a product with either Broadcom or Atheros chipset and things will be much easier, the most you'd need to do is add the correct VID PID to the Apple 80211Family.kext's info.plist file of the correct plugin for your chipset and it would work as Airport rather than all this hassle with new ports and new applications, and a complete setup procedure. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
On 2011/02/20 06:18, Andy so eloquently wrote: Go to System Preferences Security and enable the option Require password to unlock each secure system preference. Then it will go away forever! That's an excellent solution to an annoying problem. The last time I ran into this I ended up deleting the network preferences and starting from scratch. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
On 20/02/2011 18:12PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I don't know if this will get rid of your dialog box or not, I suspect not perhaps. I know that the box in Security called Require password to unlock each System Preferences pane is not check by default in OS X, and will be a hassle because now you'll be required to type your ~user admin password just to open any System Preferences pane such as Network. Once open, I don't see how this will affect this dialog box, they seem to be two completely separate things to me? It was a bug in 10.4.something that was never resolved until Leopard. It is a well known 'solution' to this problem. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
The 5200 is usually a pretty good card, it supports both Quartz Extreme Core Image. Have you checked the firmware revision in System Profiler against other versions available at the MacElite ROM repository?: No, wasn't aware, and thanks much for the link. These cards are usually solid, perhaps a new ROM version will solve your problems? If not, you need to ditch the Rage and get another AGP card that supports Quartz Extreme Core Image. Yes, the 5200 seemed like a sensible and straightforward way to get the Core Image and Quartz Extreme support. I'm not a gamer and don't currently do anything that would push a video card, but it's a matter of getting a little more modern (hand in hand with other modest upgrades) and getting the most out of Leopard, which, now that I'm able to at last, I think I'd like to try. The card came from Operator Headgap Systems. and as advertised, it seemed to be a matter of put it in and go. I took another look at the copy for the card on the OHS website, and I see now that installation instructions were to have come with it. I didn't receive any. All I got was what seems to be the OHS standard OS 9 Kitchen Sink CD, although nothing in the order I placed had anything in particular to do with OS 9, and on that CD, I found nothing relevant to the GeForce 5200 FX. After all the grief the 5200 has caused, I'm hesitant to put it back in and try it again. But of course I will, thanks to this new lead you've given me. Just not today. Yesterday was a nightmare. Lately all this work *on* the computer has pushed away all the fun I could be having *with* the computer. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD ATX mods
On 2/20/11 3:13 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: Newegg too. The thing is that I really wouldn't dump TOO much cash into G4s, but if the kit's $30 and I owned G4s that needed them, I'd probably buy them. Good luck! Illirik Smirnov Biggest problem I've come across to date is that unless I can find someone who makes decent sized power supplies with enough wattage and still fit inside the case, your pretty much left either modifying your case to fit it, or putting the power supply outside (which is what I usually do). I did find a few that are thin enough, but they put out 300w or less, which on a MDD, is a bad idea. Its kinda tricky, but with enough moving around, bundling, and pushing, you can fit pretty much all the cables you need for drives, mobo bundle, and the 4 pin extra bundle in the hole meant for the IEC plug on the back of the MDD. Esp. if you get a modular one that the PSU just has connectors on the back of it to plug in your own choice of cables, this works extremely well. The wire bundles aren't that difficult to make, but its one of those things where if your going to do it, you have to do it right or you'll either fry the board, damage the heat sink when a cable gets in the way, or even rip the power headers off the mobo. But, that is why I was offering to build the necessary cabling if people were interested. If I could find a vendor for the power supply, then I could probably offer to build whole power supplies - but like you said, there comes a point where you may be spending too much to keep an old machine alive. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Better bootloader
Is there a better way of getting the option to select which OS to boot to, in a dual boot (OS X 10.5 and Server) than holding down the Option key at startup? Perhaps a GUI bootloader that he could select from? Any ideas... Cheers -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD ATX mods
Biggest problem I've come across to date is that unless I can find someone who makes decent sized power supplies with enough wattage and still fit inside the case, your pretty much left either modifying your case to fit it, or putting the power supply outside (which is what I usually do). I did find a few that are thin enough, but they put out 300w or less, which on a MDD, is a bad idea. ATX PSUs fit within a defined form factor. 300W, 400W, 500W, 600W and even higher are available in the same form factor. The real challenge is the PSU-to-mobo cable, as almost all pre-MDD desktop Macs use an ATX form factor PSU, but each has a different PSU-to-mobo cable, and which is connected internally to the PSU by soldering. In this case, perhaps it would be best to standardize on a specific PSU, one which has NO external cables, but has Molex-type connectors for attachment of customer-determined cables, and then to supply a number of PSU-to-mobo adapter cables. The amount of required manufacturing tooling is amazingly small, as ALL the Molex Mini-Fit Jr connectors use the same manufacturing tooling. A crimp tool, a pin extraction tool, and that's just about it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: network settings have changed-but it won't go away!
I opened the network preferences window and clicked on the ethernet as the network to use. Now it gives me the flip down window that tells me the the network applications have changed. I click on the ok button, the window flips up, and then flips down again. I remember this problem. I was too out of touch to know it was a well- known bug, and I'm sorry I didn't know about Andy's solution then, because it drove me absolutely nuts. (Had to time that click *precisely* in between flip-downs to make the Network window close, like an annoying website background pop-up window!) A very unseemly problem for the likes of Mac OS X, and all the more disturbing because of it. That flip-down window caused me to dread and eventually avoid the Network preference pane. I'm not even sure why it eventually went away - I think the solution might have been a by- product of reconfiguring my internet connection with my ISP's wireless router software. Nothing I did on purpose, anyway. And I *still* think the Network preference pane in Tiger is a drag and mostly useless (yes, I hear you, I know that I would be obligated to use it if I was doing anything at all sophisticated with networking - I use useless in a sour grapes sense). I'm anxious to see if Leopard offers something a little more friendly. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
Here's what the Tiger 10.4.11 System Profiler had to say about the 5200 when it was installed: Graphics/Displays: GeForce FX 5200: Chipset Model:GeForce FX 5200 Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-A VRAM (Total): 256 MB Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID:0x0321 Revision ID: 0x00b1 ROM Revision: 2060 Displays: DELL S2009W: Resolution: 1600 x 900 @ 60 Hz Depth:32-bit Color Core Image: Supported Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Display: Status: No display connected I've looked into Kris's The Mac elite link. Closest match for the 5200, under the heading Original NVIDIA PPC ROMs is an FX 5200 Ultra with a ROM revision matching the above 2060. However, it also shows a different RAM size than the above. Next closest match is under the heading Modified NVIDIA PPC ROMs, the various XFX PVT44AWANG GeForce 6200 listings that show a ROM revision of 2149a and a matching 256 MB RAM size. I clicked on the Hacking NVIDIA Extensions Support link. The phrase Kernel panic at boot jumped into focus immediately, as you might expect. So, let me see here. Hnmmm. I might have a card with Original NVIDIA PPC ROM, or maybe that's what I'm supposed to have gotten but actually got a card with Modified NVIDIA PPC ROM with an inappropriate ROM revision. Plausible? I'm only guessing. I've got a card that just don't work, or rather, one that works, but really doesn't work. It seems clear that for whatever reason, the following might apply, and I quote (from The Mac Elite): Some cards can be made to work in OS X with custom ROM, however OS X extensions does not support the card's hardwired device ID, so it would result in a Kernel Panic at boot. If the card is close to another officially supported card in OS X or use the same GPU, there's an easy hack which will allow it to operate in OS X. I don't know why OHS would sell me a card I had to hack to make work. Perhaps that was what the missing installation instructions were about. I'll see what they have to say, and take another look at the CD-ROM they sent me in the meantime. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Better bootloader
maybe this can be an option: http://refit.sourceforge.net/ i haven't used it myself but a friend of mine loves it - Original message - From: Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Better bootloader Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:00:17 -0700 Is there a better way of getting the option to select which OS to boot to, in a dual boot (OS X 10.5 and Server) than holding down the Option key at startup? Perhaps a GUI bootloader that he could select from? Any ideas... Cheers -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Better bootloader
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a better way of getting the option to select which OS to boot to, in a dual boot (OS X 10.5 and Server) than holding down the Option key at startup? Perhaps a GUI bootloader that he could select from? Not sure what you're looking for. Have you looked at the Startup Disk settings under System Preferences? Would that work for you? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/8240.html -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Better bootloader
On 2011/02/20 09:00, Nestamicky so eloquently wrote: Is there a better way of getting the option to select which OS to boot to, in a dual boot (OS X 10.5 and Server) than holding down the Option key at startup? Perhaps a GUI bootloader that he could select from? For a GUI bootloader I don't know that you'll do much better than the OS X native, the linux yaboot might work under these circumstances but it's not GUI. That is if it's for a PPC Mac, there's a different bootloader for X86/64 linux that I have no experience with. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Better bootloader
The bootloader that comes with Linux mint is excellent. Too bad it's Intel only. On Feb 20, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2011/02/20 09:00, Nestamicky so eloquently wrote: Is there a better way of getting the option to select which OS to boot to, in a dual boot (OS X 10.5 and Server) than holding down the Option key at startup? Perhaps a GUI bootloader that he could select from? For a GUI bootloader I don't know that you'll do much better than the OS X native, the linux yaboot might work under these circumstances but it's not GUI. That is if it's for a PPC Mac, there's a different bootloader for X86/64 linux that I have no experience with. Tina -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
Comparing this excerpt from the (Unresolved kernel trap) crash report: Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.apple.GeForce(4.1.8)@0x89d000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x46 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.4.2) @0x598000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.4.2)@0x5bc000 dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(4.1.8)@0x5d2000 With this from System Profiler/Extensions: IOPCIFamily: Version: 1.7 Last Modified:10/15/07 9:46 AM Get Info String: 1.7, Copyright Apple Computer, Inc. 2000-2004 Location: /System/Library/Extensions/IOPCIFamily.kext kext Version: 1.7 Load Address: 0x46 Valid:Yes Authentic:Yes Dependencies: Satisfied Integrity:Correct IOGraphicsFamily: Version: 1.4.2 Last Modified:12/2/07 2:26 AM Get Info String: 1.4.2, Copyright Apple Computer, Inc. 2000-2004 Location: /System/Library/Extensions/IOGraphicsFamily.kext kext Version: 1.4.2 Load Address: 0x7ca000 Valid:Yes Authentic:Yes Dependencies: Satisfied Integrity:Correct IONDRVSupport: Version: 1.4.2 Last Modified:12/2/07 2:26 AM Get Info String: 1.4.2, Copyright Apple Computer, Inc. 2000-2004 Location: /System/Library/Extensions/IONDRVSupport.kext kext Version: 1.4.2 Load Address: 0x7ee000 Valid:Yes Authentic:Yes Dependencies: Satisfied Integrity:Correct Does it mean anything that the Load Addresses in the last 2 above don't match what I presume to be intended as Load Addresses in the crash report? Or that there is no NVDAResman extension appearing in System Profiler? Does that excerpt from the crash report convey anything more than We don't like this new card - please remove it forthwith? Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:18 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: With this from System ProfilerExtensions: What does System ProfilerGraphics/DisplaysnVidia GeForce FX5200 say? Specifically, Vendor Device IDs and the ROM Revision? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
Another oddity with this GeForce 5200 FX. It was advertised as 128 MB, and shows up in System Profiler with 256 MB VRAM. There are two labels on the card itself. One says: FX 5200 128MB/128bit DDR The other: ZO52-CAGP 5200 128 MB AGP The nefarious underworld of video cards. Who knew they were so weird? I didn't. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
What does System ProfilerGraphics/DisplaysnVidia GeForce FX5200 say? Heh. That was in my previous post, but again: Graphics/Displays: GeForce FX 5200: Chipset Model:GeForce FX 5200 Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-A VRAM (Total): 256 MB Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID:0x0321 Revision ID: 0x00b1 ROM Revision: 2060 Displays: DELL S2009W: Resolution: 1600 x 900 @ 60 Hz Depth:32-bit Color Core Image: Supported Main Display: Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Display: Status: No display connected Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Graphics/Displays: GeForce FX 5200: Chipset Model: GeForce FX 5200 Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-A VRAM (Total): 256 MB Vendor:nVIDIA (0x10de) Device ID: 0x0321 Revision ID: 0x00b1 ROM Revision: 2060 Another oddity with this GeForce 5200 FX. It was advertised as 128 MB, and shows up in System Profiler with 256 MB VRAM. There are two labels on the card itself. One says: FX 5200 128MB/128bit DDR The other: ZO52-CAGP 5200 128 MB AGP The nefarious underworld of video cards. Who knew they were so weird? I didn't. There are likely some issues here. This card is made by Zogis, so it's a flashed PC card for certain. As far as I can tell, all the 128MB cards were 64bit cards. It appears the 128bit cards were all 256MB. It doesn't appear you'll need to tape pins 3 11 for this card to work in your Sawtooth. If you ever plan to transfer this card to any of the ADC Macs which are the Cube, DA, Gigabit, QS, and MDD you'll need to fix pins 3 11. See:http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 There's a good chance your ROM may be wrong for this card. The ROM revision doesn't really help because there was only one Mac ROM, version 2060, and every card will have v.2060, but there are several versions of 2060 ROMs, and they vary for different speed VRAM GPU, and also for 64bit or 128bit. If the card has a 256MB 128bit ROM and it's really a 128MB 64bit card, this could cause the panics you're seeing because the Mac would be trying to address VRAM that doesn't physically exist. My advice is to first figure out exactly what card you have. Next, you'll want to be sure the ROM you select has the correct bit, MB, and speed to match your card. I think the real Mac card uses Device ID 0x0322 rather than 0x0321 so you may want to have that changed also, but I'm not sure if it matters or not? It may take some experimentation to get the correct ROM so that this card doesn't panic. I sent a link to the ROMs repository. I think it's likely you have the wrong ROM for the physical hardware on the card, and that getting a matching ROM will stop the panics. I might able to assist off-list if you need further assistance. Here's some reading on the FX5200: http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/geforce-5200.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sawtooth/Tiger boot problems
There are likely some issues here. This card is made by Zogis, so it's a flashed PC card for certain. As far as I can tell, all the 128MB cards were 64bit cards. It appears the 128bit cards were all 256MB. Thanks for all the good information and the offer to help, Kris. I need to mull things over. I might return the card and go for something else. I might try a fix. I would like to know what OHS has to say about it. Email does not appear to be their preferred mode of communication, so maybe I'll have to call, if I can remember how to work a... a... what were they called? Telephones? Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
