Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
You are correct. I am looking at one right now. Had a L-bracket and mounted parallel to the Logic Board. 32mb PCI with one VGA port. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 2/9/12 12:42 PM, "Len Gerstel" wrote: > >On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> >>> IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it >>> was a 32 mb 7000. >> >> I was unaware of this card, is it a half-height card or full size? > >Full size. Looked just like the retail 7000, just had only a vga >connector. It was mounted parallel to the main board on a riser I >believe. > >Len > > >-- >You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group >for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on >Power Macs. >The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: It was mounted parallel to the main board on a riser I believe. That explains it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it was a 32 mb 7000. I was unaware of this card, is it a half-height card or full size? Full size. Looked just like the retail 7000, just had only a vga connector. It was mounted parallel to the main board on a riser I believe. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it was a 32 mb 7000. I was unaware of this card, is it a half-height card or full size? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: This can't be a real Mac card because all the real Mac cards were identical and came with three ports, a DVI, a VGA, and an S-video. Since this card has only one port it's absolutely a PC card. If it has a PC ROM, you may need a PC to force-flash the initial starter Mac ROM. (Note, on PCs they call the card's firmware a "BIOS" instead of a ROM). IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it was a 32 mb 7000. That is correct. I bought a bunch off a company that was modifying headless xServes to run headless in navy submarines. Genuine Apple PCI Radeon 7000 with VGA only. Sold a bunch on the swap list and eBay. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 9, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > > This can't be a real Mac card because all the real Mac cards were identical > and came with three ports, a DVI, a VGA, and an S-video. Since this card has > only one port it's absolutely a PC card. If it has a PC ROM, you may need a > PC to force-flash the initial starter Mac ROM. (Note, on PCs they call the > card's firmware a "BIOS" instead of a ROM). IIRC the very first Xserve's had a VGA-only PCI ATI card, ISTR it was a 32 mb 7000. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Jesse wrote: I've run the August 2005 ROM update while booted up in Safe Mode (OS X 10.4.11) and STILL am not having any luck. And the ROM is identified as what? (should now be v.2.26 I believe). If this is a PC card, there's the possibility that the ROM chip is too small for the OEM Mac ROM, and you'll need a reduced half-size ROM for this Radeon card. Normally the PC Radeon 7000 cards had to be flashed PRIOR to insertion in a Mac with a false starter ROM that changes the ID so that it's recognized in the Mac, but I don't think this is absolutely necessary, so if your card is shown in System Profiler it "may" flash in the Mac. There should be two individual steps that happen when you run the August 2005 ROM Updater, one is the installation of ATI extensions and the other is the actual flashing of the ROM itself. You probably should deselect all cards EXCEPT the Radeon 7000 so as to not load your System with excess baggage kexts. Also, most of these kexts are outdated compared to the kexts supplied in newer versions of OS X such as Tiger, so after you've run the August 2005 ROM Updater to flash the ROM you need to reinstall the latest Combo Update (probably 10.4.11 PPC Combo Update) so that these old kexts are overwritten by the most recent versions. The card itself is listed as Part Number 109-85500-01 which matches up as the Radeon 7000 Mac version and as far as I can tell there is no reason (outside of card malfunction) that this shouldn't work. This can't be a real Mac card because all the real Mac cards were identical and came with three ports, a DVI, a VGA, and an S-video. Since this card has only one port it's absolutely a PC card. If it has a PC ROM, you may need a PC to force-flash the initial starter Mac ROM. (Note, on PCs they call the card's firmware a "BIOS" instead of a ROM). Also, if this PC card doesn't have 50ns VRAM chips (look at the VRAM chips, there should be a # on each chip that ends with hopefully a "50" or perhaps something else? If the # the chips end with is 50 you're fine. If it lower than 50, say 40 or 35 you're better than fine and can safely overclock the card. But if the number is GREATER than 50, say 60, or 70, or heaven forbid 75; you've got a slower card and will need to customize the ROM to UNDERCLOCK it because the standard Mac ROM assumes 50ns VRAM chips and will run this slow card too fast causing video artifacts and possible damage to the card itself. Flashing a Radeon 7000 to Mac can be simple, or a real pain in the ass. If you're lucky and your card has the full size ROM chip and 50ns or faster VRAM chips it SHOULD be as easy as inserting into your Mac and running the ROM Updater program (perhaps try in OS 9 if you can get OS X working and you have OS 9?). On the other hand, if the card has the half-size ROM, and has 60ns or slower VRAM, you're doubly screwed and need not only a special reduced ROM, you need a CUSTOMIZED reduced ROM. You should be able to get a reduced ROM, and even a slower customized ROM, at the old MacElite ROM downloads or StrangeDogs archives I think? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On 09/02/2012 16:40, "Jesse" wrote: > I've run the August 2005 ROM update while booted up in Safe Mode (OS X > 10.4.11) and STILL am not having any luck. The card itself is listed > as Part Number 109-85500-01 which matches up as the Radeon 7000 Mac > version and as far as I can tell there is no reason (outside of card > malfunction) that this shouldn't work. > > Has anyone had this experience, and is there a solution? If you've zapped the pram/nvram and reset the mobo with the cuda and tried all three pci slots probably not - though sometimes a computer/mobo which has been in a set configuration for a long time may refuse to recognize a newly introduced component. The only method I knew for curing this was to remove the battery and disconnect all the components and leave overnight. I've only ever succeeded with the overnight method with a supermac clone (S900? - Umax Pulsar dual?) which would not boot with new ram sticks in.ok next morning - shrug? Who knows why.. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL firmware hack to run on G4 933Mhz Quicksilver?
On 09/02/2012 12:52, "turn" wrote: > There is Geforce 4 Ti 4400 ROM modified for PPC here: > http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 - so I am wondering if > anyone thinks it might work to just flash with that. -? The Ti Geforce models were troublesome AFAIR due to hard wired device ID - DID for short - the DID in ATI cards were in the fcode of the rom and could be changed with a hex editor. Whereas I think the DID of some of the Ti models was fixed by resistors soldered to the pcb. I think I still have a jpeg of the 'secret' method for converting a Geforce 3 Ti over to mac and I think - though I am entirely unsure - the Geforce 4 models required similar conversions. I know the Ti 4600 was not a straightforward flash to mac If you require the instructions for the 'secret' method let me know...may give you some insight Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
I recently purchased a Radeon 7000 PCI card (VGA only) off eBay to use in my Sawtooth (450 MHz 768 MB/ 20 GB) so that I could do screen rotation for a monitor I have mounted on its side. Initially, I installed the card and hooked the monitor directly to it. No display. Then I hooked the ATI Rage 128 AGP card back up, and connected the monitor to THAT while keeping the Radeon card in the PCI slot. My display worked fine with the Rage card -- so I opened up the System Profiler to see if the Radeon was recognized. Under "Graphics" the AGP card is identified, the PCI card comes up with something like this: Type: VGA-Compatible Controller Bus: PCI Vendor ID: 0x1002 Device ID: 0x5159 I've run the August 2005 ROM update while booted up in Safe Mode (OS X 10.4.11) and STILL am not having any luck. The card itself is listed as Part Number 109-85500-01 which matches up as the Radeon 7000 Mac version and as far as I can tell there is no reason (outside of card malfunction) that this shouldn't work. Has anyone had this experience, and is there a solution? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL firmware hack to run on G4 933Mhz Quicksilver?
I've got my hands on a Quadro4 750 XGL, an AGP 4x graphics card, and wanting to see if I can make it work on a 2002 QS G4 933mhz machine. Anyone heard of getting the Quadro4's working? According to http://guides.macrumors.com/NVIDIA_Quadro -- the Quadro line is very similar to the Geforce. One fellow apparently was able to convert a NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX/ SLI card to work as a Quadro FX 4500 but I am thinking I will need to re-flash this card the other way to get some firmware that is supported... I just have no idea what that might be. See http://themacelite.wikidot.com/fx4500 Also for reference: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units - http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-geforce - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro --- says here that the chipset use in the Quadro4 750 XGL is also used in the GeForce 4 Ti 4400. ~~~ There is Geforce 4 Ti 4400 ROM modified for PPC here: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 - so I am wondering if anyone thinks it might work to just flash with that. -? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Webcam for Mac
I have a Creative Live! Vista IM Camera from my "pc" days that works fine with my Powermac G4, tested in skype and works fine. For Mic it uses a generic 3.5mm jack micro. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
