Re: G5 issues

[Tina K.]

On 2012/02/11 14:41, Mark Langthorne so eloquently wrote:

Its a setting in the Click to Flash plug in not in YouTube and I think
its Safari only.


There are two Click to Flash plug-ins, one is indeed a Safari plug-in and the 
other that gets installed in the internet plug-ins folder works for all WebKit 
browsers - Safari, OmniWeb, iCab, etc...



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Re: adding memory to iMac G4

[Tina K.]

On 2012/02/11 12:12, QuoVadis so eloquently wrote:

One gigabyte of memory is the maximum you can get in an iMac G4, by
the way.


Just to be clear, the first G4 iMacs have a memory limit of 1GB. The later USB 2 
iMac G4s are rated at 1GB of memory by Apple but in reality can use 2GB as I have 
in mine (below).



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Re: Installing a replacement internal speaker in a G4 mdd Tower

[Tina K.]

On 2012/02/11 14:40, Dan so eloquently wrote:

At 4:54 PM -0800 2/8/2012, Robert Lee wrote:

I'm trying to install a new replacement internal speaker and I'm
having second thoughts about doing it myself. I can't even see where
it connects to the motherboard. Me being visually impaired has some to
do with it but it's initial installation was well done at the time of
it's manufacture. Any one have a guide or know where one is posted?


Google is your friend.  "powermac replace speaker" finds quite a bit.


Assuming that the speaker is installed in a manner similar to a PM G5 or MP (I've 
never owned an MDD), an option would be to leave the logic board alone, clipping & 
soldering the speaker wires instead.


I'm not advocating this method, just suggesting an alternative for you to 
consider.


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Re: Silverlight & Moonlight

[Stephen Conrad]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Clark Martin  wrote:

> On Jan 31, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Stephen Conrad  wrote:
>
> > OK, back in the day I had Silverlight 1.0 installed on a different Mac
> and I thought I'd put it on my MDD G4 (OS X 10.5.8) as one program (Elmedia
> Player) has Silverlight listed in preferences. Every site that lists it for
> download (even for Macs) only has .exe files.
> > A discussion site said to get Moonlight instead. However, I cannot find
> the PPC Mac download despite the claims it is still being developed for the
> PPC. Anyone got either file they can send me?
>
> Try the Mac installer with the .exe extension. Some companies do this so
> all the installers have the same file name. The Mac doesn't care, it's just
> a file name to it.
>
>
I did but it says it is not a file that I can use (This is from
Download.com). It downloads a .dmg file

1) Says it is version 101 on the site but downloads a version my G4 cannot
use.

FileHippo.com downloads a .exe file

1) Get Info says it is a Shockwave Flash Movie Windows Projector
Only thing that will even try to open it (and it fails) is Elmedia Player

OldApps.com only has the Windows version

I FINALLY found it here
http://www.download-2012.com/programy/3038/silverlight_1_0_for_mac_powerpc_machines_multilanguage.html

Had never heard of this

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Re: adding memory to iMac G4

[Jon Ford]

Thanks for the helpful info, Eelco!  -- J


On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:12 PM, QuoVadis wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> This type of iMac does indeed have one full length memory slot, but it
> also has a small SO-DIMM slot (which is more commonly used in
> laptops). Both modules are swappable, but finding a 512MB SO-DIMM
> SDRAM stick can be tricky (and possibly costly). I think the practical
> memory ceiling of the iMac G4 is 768MB. Unless, of course, money isn't
> the issue.
> 
> One gigabyte of memory is the maximum you can get in an iMac G4, by
> the way.
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Eelco.
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Re: Webcam for Mac

[Valter Prahlad]

Ok, today I got the Logitech C210 webcam.

It's small and cute, it's USB cord is a little short (1,5 m / 5 feet), but
above all it just works.
Video and audio are recognized in QuickTime Player, Skype and Audacity
(audio only). Quality is better than the Trust Cuby.

At 19 euro, I'm a happy camper. :-)

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[t...@io.com]

On Feb 10, 2:17 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> It SHOULD "just work", as the only difference between this and a retail 
> Radeon 7000, iirc, was the lack of the other ports. Have you tried it on a 
> more modern monitor than the old 19" one? It's remotely possible it's putting 
> out a signal that won't work on the monitor, but my suspicion is that it's a 
> dead card.


I ran into a similar problem with the Radeon 7000 in a Beige G3 when I
used it with a Radius Intellicolor 20e CRT monitor.   Unfortunately,
that was about seven years ago and I don't remember the details.
There was a way for me to get it to work.  And I'm not even certain it
was with the Radius.  Maybe it was with an IBM 18.1" LCD from 2000.

At the time I suspected that it had to do with some newish, at the
time, signalling system that monitors were using to signal or detect
which resolutions were available.  And I was able to get around it
somehow.

I may have done something like using a VGA to Mac adapter coupled with
a Mac to VGA adapter.  Or maybe booting with extensions off.   Once I
had the thing booted and the resolution set to a lower level things
were fine.  The problem appeared to be that the video card defaulted
to too high of a resolution for the ones supported by the monitor, or
something.

It's possible I posted a question about it in one of these lists, so a
search of posts back around 2002 - 2005 might turn something up.

Jeff Walther

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Re: G5 issues

[Mark Langthorne]

Its a setting in the Click to Flash plug in not in YouTube and I think
its Safari only.

On Feb 5, 9:15 pm, Mark Langthorne  wrote:
> Use Click to Flash plug in for Safari and avoid flash and set youtube
> videos to open in Quicktime. Videos will play fine and you have the
> option to download them.
>
> On Feb 5, 6:54 pm, JohnV  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > When  a wonderful 2.0GHz G5 (8G mem) failed. I moved the drives into
> > a 1.8GHz G5 (2G mem)  and am really surprised at what seems to be its
> > lack of performance... just doing youtube stuff, even without
> > enlarging the playback, it stutters every 3sec or so on playback.
> > Making it larger makes it unwatchable.
> > Is this the nature of the thing? or is there a problem, or wrong
> > setting somewhere that's causing this?
>
> > JV

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Re: Installing a replacement internal speaker in a G4 mdd Tower

[Dan]

At 4:54 PM -0800 2/8/2012, Robert Lee wrote:

I'm trying to install a new replacement internal speaker and I'm
having second thoughts about doing it myself. I can't even see where
it connects to the motherboard. Me being visually impaired has some to
do with it but it's initial installation was well done at the time of
it's manufacture. Any one have a guide or know where one is posted?


Google is your friend.  "powermac replace speaker" finds quite a bit.

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Jesse wrote:


I will give it one more go -- the seller will refund the price if it
doesn't work. My suspicions is that it IS dead as I tried it in a B&W
G3 Yosemite and got nothing.


Make sure you use the special video PCI slot when using a B&W.


It should be so much easier to get a cheap, functional card for the
Sawtooth that's capable of doing monitor rotation.


I'm still not convinced it's dead yet, it could be a PC card without a  
Mac ROM. You've never said what System Profiler reports as the ROM  
version (firmware revision in System Profiler)?


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Re: G4 Powermac Video Card questions

[QuoVadis]

Hello!

AGP 8x cards work with the G4, but you'll need to undertake 1 step, as
is described here:

http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11

The reason being that Apple used pins 3 and 11 on the AGP 4x connector
to supply power for ADC monitors. The AGP 8x standard, however, uses
those pins. The net result is that a AGP 4x Mac (like your G4) won't
boot with an AGP 8x card insert in the AGP slot.

Besides the above mentioned: as long as the graphics card you're using
has a Mac ROM, no further actions need to be undertaken to make it
work in your G4.


Greetings,

Eelco

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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 11-02-2012 20:07, W.Adrian D'Alessio ha scritto:

> You can save PRAM settings. So in a sense you can access them.

What do you mean? AFAIK, they are automatically saved. No user intervention
required (or possible, save for erasing them).

I know it's possible altering PRam parameters using Terminal, but I don't
consider that a "normal user" task (rather, a geek or "power user" one).

Anyway, what I meant is: an user cannot edit them, like he could in a BIOS /
PC environment.


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Re: adding memory to iMac G4

[QuoVadis]

Hello!

This type of iMac does indeed have one full length memory slot, but it
also has a small SO-DIMM slot (which is more commonly used in
laptops). Both modules are swappable, but finding a 512MB SO-DIMM
SDRAM stick can be tricky (and possibly costly). I think the practical
memory ceiling of the iMac G4 is 768MB. Unless, of course, money isn't
the issue.

One gigabyte of memory is the maximum you can get in an iMac G4, by
the way.


Greetings,

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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

You can save PRAM settings. So in a sense you can access them.



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Valter Prahlad
 wrote:
> Il giorno 2-02-2012 16:47, fickit1time ha scritto:
>
>> One more thing: the video card is a ati9000 pro which has both dvi and
>> adc ports. ADC is the primary and dvi is the 2nd port. since I don't
>> have an apple display I can't use the ADC.
>> I'm plugging my lcd to the 2nd port (is there some settings I need to
>> change in the bios to switch the primary to dvi?)
>
> AFAIK, the two ports work the same; i.e., the "primary" port has no benefit
> over the "secondary".
>
> Any time I connected a display into my Macs (G3, G4, G5), I didn't have to
> change any setting: the system recognized everything, included dual
> displays.
> You may want to set the resolution and color depth, of course.
>
> Mac have no Bios. :-)
> They have something similar (hardware parameters held in something called a
> "Parameter Ram" - PRam), but users usually cannot access them; only erasing
> them when having hardware troubles, or big configuration changes.
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Re: G5 issues

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 5-02-2012 22:15, Mark Langthorne ha scritto:

> Use Click to Flash plug in for Safari and avoid flash and set youtube
> videos to open in Quicktime.

How could you do that?
I created a Google account just to set that option in Youtube, but I could
not find it.
(I'm using TenFourFox, not Safari)

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Re: Silverlight & Moonlight

[Clark Martin]

On Jan 31, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Stephen Conrad  wrote:

> OK, back in the day I had Silverlight 1.0 installed on a different Mac and I 
> thought I'd put it on my MDD G4 (OS X 10.5.8) as one program (Elmedia Player) 
> has Silverlight listed in preferences. Every site that lists it for download 
> (even for Macs) only has .exe files.
> A discussion site said to get Moonlight instead. However, I cannot find the 
> PPC Mac download despite the claims it is still being developed for the PPC. 
> Anyone got either file they can send me?

Try the Mac installer with the .exe extension. Some companies do this so all 
the installers have the same file name. The Mac doesn't care, it's just a file 
name to it. 

Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine?

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Re: Cannot boot OS X

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Gene Henley wrote:

> OK I removed the OS 9 disk. I booted up into 9.2.1.
> From there, I slected HD bootup.(Had to read up on
> OS 9 to do it. I can boot up on either OS X or OS 9
> System preferences. Great!
> Next step. Get into Classic.  Dang!
> What I have now is dual boot,I guess. But,not classic.
> I`m not thatexperienced in MAC,but I quickly follow advice.   (PC and MAC 
> desk tops.
> Gene H


All you need for Classic to run on your OS X volume is to drag the 9 system and 
application folders to the OS X partition, no installation is necessary.


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Re: Audio

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:16 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

> Greetings Listers,
> 
> G4 Yikes! running Tiger (10.4.11)
> 
> Somehow a mini plug, that I was using to run my external speakers, broke off 
> inside the Yikes' headphone jack.  Trying to retrieve the broken portion of 
> the jack has proven difficult.
> 
> I have some old Mac parts laying around and thought that maybe I could remove 
> the blocked headphone jack and replace it with a different one.
> 
> My other great idea is to use my drill and go through the metal casing of the 
> jack and see if I can get a better view of the broken piece and remove it.
> 
> I am sure that I can count on all of you to help me put out the fire
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
> 

If you have a jack you can pull off another board I say to replace it.

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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 2-02-2012 16:47, fickit1time ha scritto:

> One more thing: the video card is a ati9000 pro which has both dvi and
> adc ports. ADC is the primary and dvi is the 2nd port. since I don't
> have an apple display I can't use the ADC.
> I'm plugging my lcd to the 2nd port (is there some settings I need to
> change in the bios to switch the primary to dvi?)

AFAIK, the two ports work the same; i.e., the "primary" port has no benefit
over the "secondary".

Any time I connected a display into my Macs (G3, G4, G5), I didn't have to
change any setting: the system recognized everything, included dual
displays.
You may want to set the resolution and color depth, of course.

Mac have no Bios. :-)
They have something similar (hardware parameters held in something called a
"Parameter Ram" - PRam), but users usually cannot access them; only erasing
them when having hardware troubles, or big configuration changes.

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Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"

[Mel]

I've spent bout 20 hours using DiskWarrior to restore directories on various 
volumes.  It works well.

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:

From: Cameron Kaiser 
Subject: Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:27 AM

> I have Disk Warrior bought October 20, 2011 from Alsoft.
> 
> Before I use Disk Warrior, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of? 

Not many. DiskWarrior won't proceed if it determines it can't fix the problem,
but I believe this is one it can untangle. I have dealt with many drives
Disk First Aid and Disk Utility couldn't repair, but DiskWarrior could.

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Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth

[Jesse]

I will give it one more go -- the seller will refund the price if it
doesn't work. My suspicions is that it IS dead as I tried it in a B&W
G3 Yosemite and got nothing.

It should be so much easier to get a cheap, functional card for the
Sawtooth that's capable of doing monitor rotation.

Dang!


On Feb 10, 3:46 pm, Len Gerstel  wrote:
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Jesse wrote:
>
> >> So does anyone have experience using this card in anything other than
> >> the Xserve?
>
> > It SHOULD "just work", as the only difference between this and a
> > retail Radeon 7000, iirc, was the lack of the other ports. Have you
> > tried it on a more modern monitor than the old 19" one? It's
> > remotely possible it's putting out a signal that won't work on the
> > monitor, but my suspicion is that it's a dead card.
>
> Yes, they "just work". At least as tested through 8.x, 9.x and 10.2
> in a beige and with no reports of problems from the 30 or so I sold
> on the swap list. They use the same drivers and deliver the same
> performance as the Mac specific retail cards, just without the DVI
> and S-Video ports.
>
> If it is not working after all the standard easy fixes (pram and cuda
> reset, making sure you have the drivers installed) it is, in the
> immortal words of one of the great Doctors, Dead Jim (er, Jesse).
>
> Len

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Re: NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL firmware hack to run on G4 933Mhz Quicksilver?

[turn]

Ah... here is some info on a very similar card .. the Quadro 700 XGL
working on a Mac... so I might have a chance:
 - http://themacelite.wikidot.com/kext-mod

There is a firmware for the 700 XGL too which might work:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2

Not sure if the speed differences will be something I have to be
concerned about.

If anyone's done these sorts of "hacks" please let me know if there
are things I need to be careful about.

Thanks!

On Feb 9, 6:52 am, turn  wrote:
> I've got my hands on a Quadro4 750 XGL, an AGP 4x graphics card, and
> wanting to see if I can make it work on a 2002 QS G4 933mhz machine.
>
> Anyone heard of getting the Quadro4's working?
>
> According tohttp://guides.macrumors.com/NVIDIA_Quadro-- the Quadro
> line is very similar to the Geforce.
>
> One fellow apparently was able to convert a NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX/
> SLI card to work as a Quadro FX 4500 but I am thinking I will need to
> re-flash this card the other way to get some firmware that is
> supported... I just have no idea what that might be.
>
> Seehttp://themacelite.wikidot.com/fx4500
>
> Also for reference:
>  -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing...
>  -http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-geforce
>  -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro--- says here that the
> chipset use in the Quadro4 750 XGL is also used in the GeForce 4 Ti
> 4400.
>
> ~~~
>
> There is Geforce 4 Ti 4400 ROM modified for PPC 
> here:http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 - so I am wondering if
> anyone thinks it might work to just flash with that. -?

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Installing a replacement internal speaker in a G4 mdd Tower

[Robert Lee]

I'm trying to install a new replacement internal speaker and I'm
having second thoughts about doing it myself. I can't even see where
it connects to the motherboard. Me being visually impaired has some to
do with it but it's initial installation was well done at the time of
it's manufacture. Any one have a guide or know where one is posted?
Thanks in advance. Robert

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Re: Cannot boot OS X

[Gene Henley]

OK I removed the OS 9 disk. I booted up into 9.2.1.

From there, I slected HD bootup.(Had to read up on

OS 9 to do it. I can boot up on either OS X or OS 9
System preferences. Great!
 Next step. Get into Classic.  Dang!
What I have now is dual boot,I guess. But,not classic.
I`m not thatexperienced in MAC,but I quickly follow advice.   (PC and MAC 
desk tops.

 Gene H
- Original Message - 
From: "Clark Martin" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Cannot boot OS X




On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Gene Henley wrote:

I have a Quicksilver G4 with Tiger. I installed OS 9.2.1.  I can boot 
into OS 9.2.1 if I hold the C key down. But if I try to boot into my 
OSX,The screen says "The system software on the startup disk only 
functions on the original media,not if copied to another drive.
  Could I have somwhow messed up my OSX preferences? If I did,How do I 
get back to OS  X to find out?


That message is one you get if you copy the OS 9 system folder from an 
installer disk onto the hard disk and attempt to boot that OS from the 
hard disk.  Holding down the C key boots from the CD-ROM, not the HD.


What it sounds like is that:

   You still have the installer disk in the optical drive.

   You copied the System Folder from the installer disk rather than ran 
the installer.


   By some means the Startup Disk was set to the copied OS 9 system folder 
on the HD.


Try booting with the option key held down.  This should give you a screen 
showing every bootable system available to the computer from any attached 
drive.


I would use the Option key and boot into OS X.  Then delete the OS9 System 
Folder on the HD then boot from the installer disk and install OS 9.  Also 
open System Preferences, select Startup Disk and select your OS X System 
folder.


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Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"

[Mel]

To all who have helped,

I've used DiskWarior successfully and am now using DiskWarrrior on every HD 
that I have used as a spare at one time or another.

I was astounded at the number of directory foul ups no doubt in major due to 
the accumulated history of improper shutdowns.

When I get running to my satisfaction I will be using DiskWarrior as 
maintenance software on what ever I am currently operating.

I also successfully used the "terminal"  command to mount a read only HD.  
DiskWarrior is much superior but will only process HDs that are already mounted.

I've been able to recover files that I had not attmpted to read for several 
years and didn't reallize were not recoverable, in particular, one text file in 
particular that I had made several hours of entries two days ago when that 
drive packed it in.  I have my current files backed up on three different 
internal drives and two different external drives.

Once again, thanks to the experience and knowledge offered by the group members.

Mel

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Mel  wrote:

From: Mel 
Subject: Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:41 PM

OK,  I get it.

I'm also going to try using DiskWarrior.

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Dan  wrote:

From: Dan 
Subject: Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:13 AM

At 10:22 AM -0800 2/7/2012, Mel wrote:
> I've opened Terminal in (Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and looked for a 
> place to type the command
> diskutil list
> but don't know where to type this command.

Right after the "$ " prompt.  When the new shell window opens, the cursor 
should be right there, ready to go.  Just
 start typing.  In the settings dialog (Terminal > Window settings > Display 
panel), you can change the cursor style to suit your visual needs...

eg:

dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ diskutil list
/dev/disk0
   #:                   type name               size      identifier
   0: Apple_partition_scheme                    *57.3 GB  disk0
   1:    Apple_partition_map                    31.5 KB   disk0s1
   2:         Apple_Driver43                    28.0 KB   disk0s2
   3:     
    Apple_Driver43                    28.0 KB   disk0s3
   4:       Apple_Driver_ATA                    28.0 KB   disk0s4
   5:       Apple_Driver_ATA                    28.0 KB   disk0s5
   6:         Apple_FWDriver                    256.0 KB  disk0s6
   7:     Apple_Driver_IOKit                    256.0 KB  disk0s7
   8:          Apple_Patches                    256.0 KB 
 disk0s8
   9:              Apple_HFS ST360021A          57.1 GB   disk0s10


- Dan.
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Audio

[Lawrence David Eden]

Greetings Listers,

G4 Yikes! running Tiger (10.4.11)

Somehow a mini plug, that I was using to run my external speakers, 
broke off inside the Yikes' headphone jack.  Trying to retrieve the 
broken portion of the jack has proven difficult.


I have some old Mac parts laying around and thought that maybe I 
could remove the blocked headphone jack and replace it with a 
different one.


My other great idea is to use my drill and go through the metal 
casing of the jack and see if I can get a better view of the broken 
piece and remove it.


I am sure that I can count on all of you to help me put out the fire

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Larry

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Re: Bad Video Card?

[pdimage]

On 06/02/2012 07:23, "t...@io.com"  wrote:

> The HP Fire GL X3 has two DVI ports and has the dedicated DVI chip on
> board.  Apparently, conversion of the Fire GL X3 does yield two
> working DVI ports.  It may require the full Mac firmware (Flash chip
> replacement) to get that functionality.  I can't remember any more.

H my memory is hazy too but I think the Fire GL X3 can be converted
with a X800/X850 bios to become a mac X800 with twin DVI and SLI though
whether it also has twin vga too is something I don't know. They used to be
horrifically expensive for experimenting on but seem to be more reasonable
now - is this one?



Has the X800 bios number but looks very like a Fire GL...no mention
of taping pins either so it must be fixed at 4x agp to boot at all in a G4 -
hard cheese for any buyer with an 8x agp G5...

Pete


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[no subject]

[Don Wakefield]

Firefox 3.6.26 (the most recent version this eMac 1.25 running Leopard is able 
to run) has started rendering some web headline fonts so wrong that they 
actually look like mathematical formulas. Body text seems to still render 
properly. I have looked into my font collection with Font Agent Pro and it 
reports that all is well.

If I use TenFourFox (a Firefox fork) the same page will render properly, as it 
does with Safari and I have even tried Camino and it also displays the page 
correctly. 

Can someone give me a clue as to what to fiddle with next? Unfortunately, I 
prefer Firefox because of some favored add ons which are not reproducible in 
the other browsers. 

Don Wakefield

DTPetc! (DeskTop Productions et cetera!)

Ballwin, Missouri, USA

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Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"

[Mel]

OK,  I get it.

I'm also going to try using DiskWarrior.

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Dan  wrote:

From: Dan 
Subject: Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:13 AM

At 10:22 AM -0800 2/7/2012, Mel wrote:
> I've opened Terminal in (Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and looked for a 
> place to type the command
> diskutil list
> but don't know where to type this command.

Right after the "$ " prompt.  When the new shell window opens, the cursor 
should be right there, ready to go.  Just start typing.  In the settings dialog 
(Terminal > Window settings > Display panel), you can change the cursor style 
to suit your visual needs...

eg:

dans-quicksilver:~ dan$ diskutil list
/dev/disk0
   #:                   type name               size      identifier
   0: Apple_partition_scheme                    *57.3 GB  disk0
   1:    Apple_partition_map                    31.5 KB   disk0s1
   2:         Apple_Driver43                    28.0 KB   disk0s2
   3:         Apple_Driver43                    28.0 KB   disk0s3
   4:       Apple_Driver_ATA                    28.0 KB   disk0s4
   5:       Apple_Driver_ATA                    28.0 KB   disk0s5
   6:         Apple_FWDriver                    256.0 KB  disk0s6
   7:     Apple_Driver_IOKit                    256.0 KB  disk0s7
   8:          Apple_Patches                    256.0 KB  disk0s8
   9:              Apple_HFS ST360021A          57.1 GB   disk0s10


- Dan.
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adding memory to iMac G4

[Jon Ford]

Just heard about this site. My first post. I have an iMac PowerMac4.2
PowerPC G4 (2.1). Purchased in 2003; hard drive replaced in 2007 after
a "kernel panic." I now use a MacBook Pro for my stuff but would like
to improve the speed of the iMac so kids can use it for simple games,
watch YouTube vids, etc. The guys at the local Mac shop tell me it
only has one slot, so I can't add RAM. (Current memory capacity is 768
MB.) Any advice how I can boost the performance of this old Mac?
Thanks. -- J

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Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"

[Mel]

Dan,

Re,: Here are the directions to do the mount:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA23941

I went to the link, down loaded the instructions, printed and studied the 
instructions.

I've opened Terminal in (Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and looked for a 
place to type the command

diskutil list

but don't know where to type this command.

Can you help?

Mel

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Dan  wrote:

From: Dan 
Subject: Re: "exceded maximum B tree depth"
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 6:54 AM

At 9:42 PM -0800 2/6/2012, Mel wrote:
> I would like to recover seven files/folders that were on the desk top of a HD 
> that will no longer mount after bootup.
> [snip]
> The HD is an internal slave HD in  a PowerPC 400 MHz G4 Mac desktop with 768 
> SDRAM and OS 10.4.11 installed.  The HD has more htan 22,000 hours on it.
> 
> Disk Utility checked that HD but could not repair it.    "Disk Utility" 
> displayed the error message: "exceded maxmium B tree depth," which is 
> apparently a directory problem. That is an error beyond the capability of 
> "Disk Utility" to repair.

Yea.  Fsck, the unix tool underneath Disk Utility, is a bit simple minded.

> If I can get that HD to mount, and if those seven files/folders are readable, 
> I can then copy them from the desk top to one or more other HD's so that I 
> have a back up and some peace of mind..
> 
> I have Disk Warrior bought October 20, 2011 from Alsoft.
> 
> Before I use Disk Warrior, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of?

Disk Warrior is a great utility.  It works by rebuilding the file system from 
the ground up, instead of trying to repair it in place.

First, try mounting the volume read-only.  That might be enough to get those 
files off it.  If that fails, then run Disk Warrior.

Here are the directions to do the mount:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA23941

HTH,
- Dan.
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G4 Powermac Video Card questions

[deftone_75]

Hello all. I have a Powermac G4, dual 450 Mhz, 2 Gb ram. It has the 32
MB video card currently. My question is, will an agp card from a G5
work in my G4. I am wanting a card of maybe 128mb or 256 mb. I can
find the 64 mb cards from MDD on ebay rather cheap, but I really would
like a bigger one for my machine. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks to all. Oh yeah, I am also running 10.5.8 on this machine.

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Adding Firewire port to MDD

[Wayne Stewart]

I was noticing that all the OS 9 bootable MDD have the solder pads for
the components for Firewire 800. I'm wondering if anyone has tried
adding the parts?

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Re: G5 issues

[Charles Davis]

You'll never know,unless you try!!!

Chuck

On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2012/02/05 12:58, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:
I don't know? On LEM-Swap there are three power supplies available  
right now for

only $30 each, buy one NOW before they're gone!!!:



Wow, it's magic. If I ask about an A1138 logic board will three of  
them magically show up on the swap list too?



Tina


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Re: G5 issues

[Mark Langthorne]

Use Click to Flash plug in for Safari and avoid flash and set youtube
videos to open in Quicktime. Videos will play fine and you have the
option to download them.

On Feb 5, 6:54 pm, JohnV  wrote:
> When  a wonderful 2.0GHz G5 (8G mem) failed. I moved the drives into
> a 1.8GHz G5 (2G mem)  and am really surprised at what seems to be its
> lack of performance... just doing youtube stuff, even without
> enlarging the playback, it stutters every 3sec or so on playback.
> Making it larger makes it unwatchable.
> Is this the nature of the thing? or is there a problem, or wrong
> setting somewhere that's causing this?
>
> JV

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Re: G5 issues

[Douglas Mencken]

> You need to max out both the RAM and the video card on the new one.
> Hopefully you can move the RAM & video card from the dead 2.0 over to the
> 1.8 without issues. If the 1.8 is a single, you may be able to upgrade to a
> dual CPU, but that might be a lot of work and expense. I'd concentrate on
> the RAM and video card for now.

No, he should concentrate on ignoring Flash. Even if he had a lot of
great memories developing Macromedia Shockwave Flash stuff on Mac OS
8.6 and so. Now it is bought by Adobe. Now it has another engine
(Action Script). Now everybody is moving out from Flash. Even YouTube.

He should start to google "HTML5" and savefrom.net.

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Re: G5 issues

[Douglas Mencken]

Is it Flash or is it HTML5 (WebM or what?) Try to download this file
to your machine and play if off-line.
Flash doesn't support PowerPC machines, only x86 (Adobe stopped
OSX@PowerPC flash support more than a year ago).

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Late 2005 PowerMac G5 CD drive issue.

[Mark Langthorne]

Yesterday I was cleaning some of the dust out of the Mac and I
unplugged the CD drives' IDE cable while the Mac was on. I plugged it
back and shutdown the machine, then it would not power up the light
would come on for a second and the fans would spin a little then it
would cut out at first I thought it was a dead power supply but I
removed the power cable from the CD drive and it is running now with
no problems apart from no CD drive. Anybody have any idea what is
making the power supply cut out when the CD drive is plugged in and
how to fix it?

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Security Update 2012-001 and rosetta

[Charles Lenington]

Following quote was received on

augd-requ...@lists.apple.com



start
Adam C. Engst (@adamengst)
2/3/12 9:52 AM
If you use PowerPC-based apps that rely on Rosetta, DO NOT INSTALL Security 
Update 2012-001! Details at tid.bl.it/Ad6f8T Please RT!
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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[David W. Morris]

On Feb 3, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


No they meant dual-processor. There were no dual-core PowerPC cpus  
ever used in Macs. This one may have had it's cpu board replaced.


Bruce Johnson


You are forgetting the last generation dual core G5 PowerMac's,  
starting with the 2.3GHz G5 and also the final Dual Core, dual G5 (for  
quad cores) 2.5GHz PowerMac.  But you are right that there are no Dual  
Core G4 PowerMac's.


David
Dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS2.7 on 1.5GHz G4 MacMini & dual 1.42GHz  
G4 PowerMac MDD, plus dual booting MacOSX & MorphOS3.0 beta on 15" &  
17" 1`.67GHz G4 PowerBooks.


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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[Cameron Kaiser]

> No they meant dual-processor. There were no dual-core PowerPC cpus ever used
> in Macs. This one may have had it's cpu board replaced.

Not true: the quad G5 is technically a dual-CPU, dual-core G5. But you are
correct in that there was never a dual-core G4.

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Re: Bad Video Card?

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote:

I think the smell may be from solder flux left over from the  
flashing process.


The flashing process does not involve soldering at all, but is  
accomplished by software on a PC...

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My video card has 3 soldered points on it.


JOHN CARMONNE
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From TiBook 867




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Re: ways to get scuffs out of powermac g4 case!!!

[Douglas Mencken]

> this is a non-sell, so try it out

Macs are not PCs. Especially (now rare) non-x86 desktop computers like
G3, G4 (and very fast 64-bit G5s, but 2-core G5s are as fast as
current 8-core x86 "Pros"). So this is at least "a sell". Or hold your
PowerPC Mac for 10 years and then (especially well-working one) will
cost *a much*.

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Re: A question about Flast....

[Douglas Mencken]

>> Should I worry about using this browser to watch my Cnet and youtube videos 
>> or should I not trust it?

For youtube flash video, I do recommend moving to html5 (G5 macs e
able to play ~8 of HD1080 videos at one time without any freezing) and
use TenFourFox browser. Or, as an alternative, using sfrom.net to
download flash-only stuff and watch it.
For Cnet, I never used it and don't know what it is.

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Re: G4 PowerBook can't boot from Tiger Install DVD

[Scottls]

This is a bit of a workaround but this might work... If you have a USB
hard drive enclosure install the newer 320GB into it and format it
using the Mac OS extended (journaled) setting. With the original hard
drive still in the G4 clone the contents of that hard drive onto the
new one in the USB enclosure. This is easily done with the disk
utility app and will take a while but if it completes without any
errors then try installing the new HD into the G4 and turn it on to
see if it is recognized and working properly. If so then consider
keeping the original HD in a safe place as a back-up to that Mac.

On Jan 29, 5:14 pm, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:
> > I am embarrassed to say that thinking I had killed my nice G4
> > PowerBook during the upgrade attempt, I purchased a replacement
> > (because I was demonstrating MorphOS3.0 beta at a computer show and
> > had to have a working G4 PowerBook that week) before I figured out
> > that my first G4 PowerBook was okay when I put the original hard drive
> > back into it.  So now I have two 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's and I put the
> > 320gb hard drive into the second G4 PowerBook and find out that it
> > also won't boot from the Tiger Install DVD.  I bought a retail Leopard
> > Install DVD and it will boot from that, but for some reason it still
> > won't boot from the Tiger Install DVD.
>
> What does it do?
>
> Also, which version of the Tiger DVD? Retail 10.4.6 will boot any Power Mac;
> the original retail may not boot some of the last models of PowerBook G4 and
> that might be exactly your problem.
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Re: Reformatting a Maxtor 160 gig disk

[Cameron Kaiser]

> There is something about my system that is not seeing these bigger
> hard drives beyond 128 gigs.
> 
> The Sonnet ATA 133 card is different than the one that blew up in the
> power surge. This card is brown and my original old card was green. I
> don't know what that means, except that the green card could see the
> bigger drives.

The green card is probably the later release that can do LBA, which is
required for hard drives larger than (you guessed it) 128GB. I don't know
if this can be fixed on the older card. My suggestion is to find a new one.

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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[fickit1time]

Thanks for the links, that was the site I was going to post.
Great info.

I originally thought I had the dual processor version (not the
firewire800 version).
I based this on the serial number. The last 3 letters in serial number
for reference. MMA which only shows me the dual processor specs
I'm wondering when it says 2 processors, does that mean 2 separate
prrocessors or dual core(on the same chip)

The error beep is a single beep (the same with the memory plugged in
(all slots) as well as it taken out).
I've managed to find a couple of pc2700 rams (very difficult to find
these nowadays).
I'm going to stick with pc2700 because some sites seem to say I could
use pc3200 but it will be reduced in speed and may have problems (e.g
coming out of sleep mode, etc)
I've also learned that the ram needs to be low density (meaning the
bulkier ram modules rather than the single sided ram modules - this is
my assumption)

One more thing: the video card is a ati9000 pro which has both dvi and
adc ports. ADC is the primary and dvi is the 2nd port. since I don't
have an apple display I can't use the ADC.
I'm plugging my lcd to the 2nd port (is there some settings I need to
change in the bios to switch the primary to dvi?)

BTW: I love the case- how cool is that - 1 latch and the whole system
is exposed. Far better than most of the modern pc cases out there
today.


On Feb 1, 10:19 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 5:52 PM -0800 2/1/2012, fickit1time wrote:
>
> >Hello everybody- Just bought my first MAC today.
>
> Congrats!
>
> >Picked it up for cheap. According to it's serial number and from cross
> >checking on a mac site(not sure if i'm allowed to post links)
>
> Links are fine, as long as they're to the point, and it's just the
> link - no embedding 'em in html (these LEM lists require plain text
> postings).  We do lowendmac and everymac links quite often.
>
> >Powermac G4 MDD 1.0ghz.
>
> Great machine!
>
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/index-powermac-g4.html
>
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_1...
>
> >So I plug in the power cord and install 256mb pc2100 memory and hit
> >the ON button. The mac just gives one Loud Beep and then nothing, no
> >image on the screen.
>
> A single beep or a full bong?
>
> The later indicates successful completion of the Power-On Self Test.
> PMU, CPU, buses, ram, etc all good.
>
> A single beep indicates a problem with the memory.
>
> Video circuitry is initialized after the self-test passes, so getting
> nada on the screen after an error beep would be expected.
>
> >I've taken out the memory and tried it again and the same thing occurs.
>
> Make doubly sure you've go the right type of memory.  Macs are picky!
> (see below)
> Try different slots.
> Try cleaning the slots and sticks.
> Try disconnecting other things, eg the HD, optical drive, etc.
>
> >I'm assuming that this means the memory isn't recognizable and the mac
> >probably needs pc2700 memory.
>
> The everymac page says PC2100 or PC2700.  I'm pretty sure 3200 will
> work; the system will just run it slower.
>
> According to the Apple manual:
> \
> DIMMs used in this computer must fit these specifications:
> * PC2100 SDRAM DDR266 DIMMs for 133 MHz systems
> * PC2700 SDRAM DDR333 DIMMs for 167 MHz systems
> Important:
>    Make sure that the memory installed on the logic board is
> compatible with the system.
> * 128, 256, or 512 MB DIMMs
> 256 MB DIMMs must have 128 or 256 megabit (Mbit) technology devices; 512 MB
> DIMMs must have 256 Mbit devices
> * 2.5 volt
> * 64-bit wide, 184-pin module
> * unbuffered (do not use registered or buffered DRAM)
> /
>
> HTH,
> - Dan.
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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[Nathan Templeton]

Welcome to the world of MACS! ;) You picked a great machine to cut your teeth 
with. I had a dual MDD back in the day. Well, okay that back in the day was two 
years ago! It was an upgrade from my faithful digital audio Dual/533. ( I 
actually miss both of those machines. But I digress. 
As others have said, 3200 should work, but to be honest I had my best 
experience with match pairs of 2700. Many will recommend OWC. And with good 
reason, they sell and amazing kit, but with these models, decent quality ram 
will do. 10.4.11 is an absolute dream on these rigs! Flys like a hot knife 
through butter, and I would think leopard will to, though I do not have any 
experience in that regard.

Long story short? Enjoy your new rig and welcome to the forums, I have been 
around for a good many years here, the help is amazing, the information above 
par!

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> On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:52 PM, fickit1time wrote:
> 
>> I'm assuming that this means the memory isn't recognizable and the mac
>> probably needs pc2700 memory.
>> I don't have any pc2700 but I may be able to get a couple of pc3200
>> memory, do you think this will be ok?
> 
> Yes, it needs PC2700 minimum, and yes PC3200 will work.
> 
> You can get specs info from the app MacTracker that has info on every Mac.
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Re: new to the MAC universe.

[Jesse]

> Hello everybody- Just bought my first MAC today.
> Picked it up for cheap. According to it's serial number and from cross
> checking on a mac site(not sure if i'm allowed to post links) It's a
> Powermac G4 MDD 1.0ghz. Unfortunately, it did not come with either a
> power cord or any memory but it did have a 120gig HD and a dvd drive
> so pretty much everything is there except the Ram.
> So I plug in the power cord and install 256mb pc2100 memory and hit
> the ON button. The mac just gives one Loud Beep and then nothing, no
> image on the screen.
> I've taken out the memory and tried it again and the same thing
> occurs.
> I'm assuming that this means the memory isn't recognizable and the mac
> probably needs pc2700 memory.
> I don't have any pc2700 but I may be able to get a couple of pc3200
> memory, do you think this will be ok?
> I've read some forums and some seem to suggest that it can work while
> others say to stick with pc2700 memory

Pc3200 ram WILL work, if it is ram that works in your particular mac.  The ram 
will actually work, but it will dial back so it is backwards compatible. Dont 
use pc ram or cheap ram and make sure they are matched if using sets. Pc3200 
ddr sdram 184-pin 333mhz ram would be ideal for this system. However, when you 
open about this mac and look at your system( if you get it working) dont be 
alarmed when the ram says pc2600, thats a bottleneck, i believe mac os x and 
the bus put on it  just find the right ram
> 
> Your help is appreciated.
> 
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Silverlight & Moonlight

[Stephen Conrad]

OK, back in the day I had Silverlight 1.0 installed on a different Mac and
I thought I'd put it on my MDD G4 (OS X 10.5.8) as one program (Elmedia
Player) has Silverlight listed in preferences. Every site that lists it for
download (even for Macs) only has .exe files.
A discussion site said to get Moonlight instead. However, I cannot find the
PPC Mac download despite the claims it is still being developed for the
PPC. Anyone got either file they can send me?

Also, you should have read all the posts lamenting no Silverlight 2.0 for
the PPC Macs despite it still being made to work on the X Box 360 which
uses PPC CPUs

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